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by **stmichael** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:39 pm

Right I'll get straight to the point and just wait for the doom and gloom mongers to jump on the bandwagon.

That was truly painful to watch. We were sh#te from start to finish and to lose to them - especially like that - is f#cking sickening; I'm not looking forward to Monday at all when I have to go into work and face three of my colleagues who are Evertonians.

Having said that, I think there has been some hysteria on here (shocking I know), with the prize for rabid comment of the day going to whoever said "There goes our title challenge for another season". There also appears to be a little anti-Xabi bandwagon picking up steam, which is weird because, firstly, he's f#cking ace, and secondly he played alright today. In fact I think only him, Big Mo and, to a lesser extent, Gerrard can hold their heads up today of the eleven players who started the game.

The defence is a mess, plain and simple. I'm far from convinced by Aurelio and have yet to see anything from him in a Red shirt, bar one free kick, to suggest the hype about his dead ball ability is justified. Sami's lack of pace is glaring. I felt sure Rafa would move him on after his first season, but he proved me well wrong by adopting an offside trap and getting Pepe to sweep up behind. However, he was at fault (although not exclusively so), due his immobility, for the first two goals today. He was way out of position for the first one, causing everyone to shift across. For the second, any other defender around would have beaten Johnson to that ball. Obviously Carra had a mare when covering, but Sami should have had it dealt with by then. Carra clearly wasn't fully fit (although that doesn't explain his errors) and Finnan looks a little wobbly too - not surprising when everyone is collapsing around him. As for Pepe, he had a mare for the third, but I can't get too excited about it as we were already well beaten.

In midfield, the lack of width was glaring and I don't know why it so long to get Pennant on, considering he's been training all week. Up front, we were toothless. Neither Crouch nor Fowler gave them the slightest trouble. Playing two such immobile strikers would be fine if we'd whipped in a succession of dangerous crosses - but we didn't. I wanted to see Kuyt on straight away for the second half but by the time he did arrive, all belief was gone.

Overall, a very poor performance, and we need to defeat Chelsea to negate it. Thankfully the squad will be together for a while now without any outside disruptions. We need to regain our defensive solidity as soon as possible and the rest will come. Not easy with our current options at left back, but then again winning the league isn't easy. Let's now see what this squad is really made of. Roll on Eindhoven and Chelsea.

by **The_Rock** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:40 pm

zarababe wrote:
The_Rock wrote:Now that i have cooled down....well maybe wanting back dudek is going too far

Actually we deserve to win the match (had penalty appeals and hit the post twice)... and not to mention Graham Poll (can't believe ppl are saying he is the best ref in this league)...

This result won't look so bad once we defeat PSV and Chelsea..... (but the draw against sheffield united is starting to look bad now)....

Hope this weekend ends fast...can't wait for wednesday.

Gawd that's some turn around.. rock babe.. is it catchin.. I hope so cos some need some real shakin-up in here today

Don't worry about those badwagon fans.......

Actually we better get used to these bandwagon fans..... There will be loads of them.......especially when we win the 2007 champions league

by **jammy** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:40 pm

sorry guys. just a nice place dats all

by **The_Rock** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:42 pm

stmichael wrote:we deserved absolutely f#ck all from the game due to our absolutely dire first half performance. i'll post me thoughts later when i've calmed down a bit.

on a sidenote, i'd like to give cahill a good kicking. the little c#nt does my head in. he's a nasty piece of work.

And he's Fugly too..... Gawd, I hate cahill....

I can easily drop him like 6th grade spanish :angry:

by **65-1149024436** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:43 pm

Just got back from the game, superb result.

Firstly about banning every Evertonian that comes on here, well I've been on here for a while now, never posted anything bad, gave opinions and joined in with the banter. I don't think I should be banned just because of the result today.

About the game, Liverpool just didn't get the breaks today, and thats football. Football is 90% quality, which Liverpool had today. Some of the football played was good but you just didn't have that 10% of luck you need in these types of games. On another day the result may have been different. Carragher shouldn't have played today, but it was probably himself that told Benitez he was fit for the game. These games are massive for the scouse players, especially when they are playing for the team they support!

The Risse injury looked nasty, is it the same ankle he done against Sheff United? Yes he was late in the challenge, didn't look a bad tackle from where I was sitting. I wish him all the best in his recovery and that the injury isn't that bad. Crouch had an off day, it happens to all players, and I thought Fowler played well and gave our defence a hard time.

The team that Benitez baffled me. Auerlio sp? looked out of sorts in this game. I think it was a bit harsh on throwing him right into the deepend on his first derby. Alonso surprised me today, from what I've seen of him in the past, he looked a total different player on that pitch. Garcia was busy, but he kept drifting out of the game, where in these derby game, you can't do that. Why Bellamy wasn't in the sqaud even more so the team today I couldn't understand. I was dreading him facing us today. He has everything that our defense dont handle so well. He gets into good positions and his pace is electrifying. I'm glad he didn't play today. Also Pennant. We had Naysmith at left back, no pace and no tackle, so I was glad to see Pennant on the bench.

We had the luck today. The first goal could have been disallowed. Osman seemed to block Finnan to let the ball slip through to Cahill. Also the second goal, the play could have been stopped for the tussle between Alonso and Cahill. But it doesn't take away the fact of the woeful defending for that goal between Hyypia and Carragher. Hyypia tried to block AJ but his pace got him past Hyppia and I don't know why Carragher just didn't hoof the ball into the stand. The third goal was the fault of Reina. I thought he could have caught or at least pushed the ball over the bar. As soon as he pushed it into the air he was in trouble. That goal reminded me of a Garcia goal at Anfield not so long ago. End of the day, thats football. Some games you get the decisions, some days you don't.

We battled hard today and seemed to want it more, but the main factor of today was that we had the luck we got the breaks. Poll was a disgrace today, and the FA should have told him he wasn't needed no-more after the World Cup. He is most probably the worse referee in the Premiership.

These are my honest opinions and no doubt I will be slated by some fans and most probably some people will ask for me to be banned.

I've read some comments on here since the game has finised. Yobo shouldn't have been on the field?? Why, because on the tackle on Gerrard? The ball was there to be won, Gerrard was a bit quicker nicked the ball away and Yobo caught him high. Yes it was a foul no it didn't warrant a red card.

Anyway I hope you respect my opinions and that I'm not slated too much for them!

by **112-1077774096** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:43 pm

zarababe wrote:
The_Rock wrote:Now that i have cooled down....well maybe wanting back dudek is going too far

Actually we deserve to win the match (had penalty appeals and hit the post twice)... and not to mention Graham Poll (can't believe ppl are saying he is the best ref in this league)...

This result won't look so bad once we defeat PSV and Chelsea..... (but the draw against sheffield united is starting to look bad now)....

Hope this weekend ends fast...can't wait for wednesday.

Gawd that's some turn around.. rock babe.. is it catchin.. I hope so cos some need some real shakin-up in here today

there goes the forum, the trout has raised her ugly head again and now we will have to read tripe like gawd, babes, doll and girl.

on the football front, today we were poor and once again second to too many balls. i cant be bothered to read the other posts in here but i am sure people are moaning about fikle fans criticising the team and spouting bollox like the league is never won or lost after three games, and its early in the season so it doesnt matter, every game matters you muppets, every game is worth 3 points whether its at the start or the end of the season, every game is important and every point is important.

reina needs to sort his head out as his mistakes can start costing us (today the game was already over and we managed to win the FA cup). too many long balls and lack of invention (i know we had more chances than them blah blah blah but that doesnt get us 3 points) we didnt finish the chances.

overall i am p1ssed off at another disapointing result, i feel like the players seem to accept defeat sometimes before the game has even started, they seem to have the excuse that it will be a tricky game so it ok to not perform or not be first to every ball.

it p1sses me off

:angry:

by **destro** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:43 pm

Carra was nowhere near fit, apart from kuyt and momo to many looked either to tired or uninterested (never seen that in a derby match before) . If nothing else it highlighted just how slow our defence is.They wanted it more and took their few chances/luck. Simple as that.

by **yates** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:45 pm

rafa, has some big decisions to make. we cant play sissoko, alonso, and gerrard. in the same midfield, it just won't work!. we have to have gerrard playing in is favoured position in central midfield with alonso, or play sissoko and gerrard in the center. or alonso and sissoko in the centre with pennant on the right.i hate to say this, but three into two just won't go.why pay so much money for a right sided midfielder and waste gerrards talent by playing him out of position.he only plays on the right for england because mclaren hasn't got the balls to drop lampard.now has benitez got the balls to drop alonso or sissoko.he has to make that decision,because gerrard has to be the best midfielder in the world, and should play in every meaningfull game in central midfield.i know alonso was signed when steve was considering going to chelsea as his replacement, and is a great player, but!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **zarababe** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:48 pm

The_Rock wrote:
zarababe wrote:
The_Rock wrote:Now that i have cooled down....well maybe wanting back dudek is going too far

Actually we deserve to win the match (had penalty appeals and hit the post twice)... and not to mention Graham Poll (can't believe ppl are saying he is the best ref in this league)...

This result won't look so bad once we defeat PSV and Chelsea..... (but the draw against sheffield united is starting to look bad now)....

Hope this weekend ends fast...can't wait for wednesday.

Gawd that's some turn around.. rock babe.. is it catchin.. I hope so cos some need some real shakin-up in here today

Don't worry about those badwagon fans.......

Actually we better get used to these bandwagon fans..... There will be loads of them.......especially when we win the 2007 champions league

keep those predictions comin .. anno what happend lat time

by **Dalglish** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:51 pm

Just got back from the game

Everton deserved it because they wanted it more , simple as............

A couple of points :

1. The balance of the team was/is all wrong. Rafa goes out over the summer and buys two natural wingers in Pennant and Gonzalez and starts with Gerrard and Garcia

Whilst it's patently obvious that Alonso is off form wouldn't it have made perfect sense to play Stevie in the middle and start with Pennant ? Also Garcia was selected for a game thats out of his reach in the sense that you need battlers and tacklers and Garcia doesn't do that. He's not even an out and out winger and the game was crying out for players who could provide width......

2. Carragher has made an emotional decision when asked if he's fit to play. He was off the pace and it showed.

3. Our best option on the forward line for this TYPE of game would have been Bellamy but he didn't even make the squad. We face a similar away game against the hard working Dutch on Tuesday and I'll put my mortgage on Bellamy starting cos he gives you an outlet, never stops pressing and is a total pain in the :censored:

to defenders. So if he's picked on Tuesday to do that job why wasn't he selected today ?

A bad day at the office but we'll live to fight another day but with Away trips to Chelsea, Man Spew and Bolton coming up Rafa has a lot of work to do !

Walk on ............

by **yates** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:53 pm

destro wrote:Carra was nowhere near fit, apart from kuyt and momo to many looked either to tired or uninterested (never seen that in a derby match before) . If nothing else it highlighted just how slow our defence is.They wanted it more and took their few chances/luck. Simple as that.

agreede but anfield wasn't built in a day.

by **tubby** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:54 pm

GOAT wrote:Reinas starting to commit howlers regularly now, what the f.ucks going on. We criticised the likes of calamity james and dudek for this sort of thing but for some reason reina seems to be above any criticism here.. He needs to sort himself out quick, we cant have them sort of mistakes being made every match! Carra was well out of it today too. And our finishing was awful

I think your being a bit to harsh towards Reina. Yeah he made a clanger today but hes also showed that he pulls of the big savs in the same game. Against Haifa he made a mistake and then made a brilliant save later in the game.

Goalkeepers and defenders play of of each others confidence.

None of our defenders were playing like they should today and that was obviously effecting the mindset of Reina knowing that his defence isnt as strong as it normally is for some reason or another.

Im sue Rafa had his reasons for not starting with SG in the centre or starting without Bellamy, Kuyt, Pennant or even Agger for that matter.

Whatever his reasons we cannot be critical of him because in the past when he makes these bold decisions and they pay of we dont complain about the nature of them. W e have to face facts that we lost today becasue we

a) Did not have fully fit players
b) Did not start with the right selection

and

c) Becasue last night Graham Poll probably had a 3some with Tim Cahil and Andrew Hbbert. I really dont know how Cahill got away with wrestling Alonso (who was also out of sorts) to the ground. And how Hibbert wasnt penalised for his hand ball is even more shocking.

Its over, lets look to PSV and Chelsea now.

by **tubby** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:55 pm

from .tv

Rafael Benitez felt basic mistakes was the reason why Liverpool lost the derby 3-0 and described his team's defending as "very poor."
The Reds manager also felt his team could have got back into the game as Liverpool did create some decent openings but was disappointed with the chances that weren't taken on the day.

"We made a lot of mistakes, too many mistakes and our defending was really poor," explained Benitez.

"Last season we had a lot of clean sheets so we need to analyse why we are conceding goals so easily.

"I thought we were too nice at times and put ourselves under pressure. Someone said to me we had 21 shots at goal but that counts for nothing if you don't take your chances.

"It is a very disappointing day for us for sure."

I dont know if thats the whole interview but it looks like he was keeping hush about Polls awful performance.

by **stmichael** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:56 pm

Today saw one of the main reasons why I hate this rotation :censored:

. Fowler played ahead of Bellamy and Kuyt because he is 'fresh'. Kuyt was on the bench as he was away during the week. Crouch started as the man 'in form' although he was probably the most tired! We ended up with the two slowest and non aggressive strikers in the premiership against two of the fastest and most aggressive defenders. In this type of game Andy Johnson proved what pace and alertness can do, which makes our non use of Gonzales, Bellamy and Pennant almost bizarre.

Gerrard on the right is fine but in a blood and thunder game Everton did not want him in the middle - they got their wish. The out of form Alonso laboured through the game.

The last time we won a big trophy the team almost selected itself due to injuries, its only when managers have 'too many options' that they start to distablise the team with tactical and endurance thinking.

Rafa knows better than all of us how to win games and how to use his squad but this defeat is humiliating.

by **GOAT** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:57 pm

Arsenal are losing again. Chelsea and manure are going to be miles ahead of everyone else soon if this continues

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