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by **NiftyNeil** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:47 pm

drummerphil wrote:I gave Harry my last chance saloon last season.I also tend to agree on the world cup mention although have Australia got such a depth of squad they could have left him out.........NO.
Even in the odd game he did something last season,and it was odd...it still wasnt enough for me.My patience ran out with him along time ago and after our 5th cl/european cup win when he sprinted the length of the pitch when we won,that closed any doors i had open for him.
We will never see the Kewell at Leeds,never have,never will.......RAFA if offered anything between 4-6 million drive him yourself.I know my opinion is not everybodys but who gives a t0ss......one drop of snow is not a winter.

I think he got better as the season went on.
I know what your saying about the Champions League final - I was there, booing him off the field. But he really tried last year. In the semi against Chelsea, he was the Kewell we signed from Leeds - but then got injured again.
I still think he's got unfinished business at Anfield.

by **Dundalk** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:27 pm

Well this isnt happening anyway

by **LFC_fan** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:38 am

the thing about kewell is that just when u think hes about to hit his old form he had at leeds, he gets injured all over again. alot of us here want him to do well and though many slate him, im sure that at the back of their heads, they want him to come good (unlike Diao :laugh:

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but in actual fact, kewell's the best option we have on the left imo. gonzales hasnt really gotten into the groove of things yet but from what i've seen so far this season, kewell is the one with more flair and technical ability, which is needed in great abundance on the wings. gonzales has the speed and youth, which means he has time on his side (both in terms of age and in terms of fans' patience)

frankly, i'll like to see a fit kewell back in the team asap. kewell on the left and pennant on the right sounds good to me.

there are 2 ways of viewing this situation now.

1) phil's perspective of lets get rid of him for as much as we can now, cash in on him from whoever wants to buy him so we can recoup as much as possible.

2) my perspective of lets get the most out of him while hes still here beacuse he has shown (though in only short periods of time) what he is capable of and hes still the best option on the left flank.

whichever side u belong to, nobody gives a toss. like phil said, one snow flake doesnt make a winter. neither do 2, 3 ,4 .... flakes. rafa's the snowmachine, let him decide.

omg, cant believe i actually gave such a lame analogy.

by **cheesecake** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:28 am

redmikey wrote:I was a harry kewell basher for ages until last season he won alot of people over with his consistancy ,rafa included imo
lets get him fit and gonzalles will have a chance to adapt the same as fabio and if a big offer comes in the closed season then yes sell sell sell, but until then we will need players of his class in the squad

I have been a Kewell supporter from the beginning (yes I'm an Aussie). As much as it hurts to say, Kewell's time left at Anfield is very limited. Best we cash our chips in now and get some value back. I doubt seriously that we will see the Leeds Harry Kewell ever again. Unfortunately his career at Liverpool will be not be considered a success by many. I have wished so hard for the contrary, but its just not going to happen.

P.S. Dont believe Bernie Mandic (Kewell agent). Would sell his own mother for more comfortable car seat covers and a hot dinner.

by **murphy0151** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:26 pm

Oasis wrote:Welcome back, LH.

Kewell was linked with Spurs last season when we were linked with Defoe and many thought it would be a swap deal for the pair. I've heard nothing about this new approach for Kewell. If they do bid I hope we don't sell with Gonzo just settling in we need a left winger who is used to the league and plays well and that's Kewell.

You have got ot be having a laugh, Kewells hardly ever :censored:

fit. If anyone wants him they can have him if I was the manager. £65,000 a week to sit in the stands injured is a bit to much if you ask me.

Role on January.

I like Kewell as a player when he is fit but its getting him fit thats the problem.

by **48-1119859832** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:29 pm

murphy0151 wrote:You have got ot be having a laugh, Kewells hardly ever fit. If anyone wants him they can have him if I was the manager. £65,000 a week to sit in the stands injured is a bit to much if you ask me.

Role on January.

I like Kewell as a player when he is fit but its getting him fit thats the problem.

When Kewell's fit he's arguably one of our best players, I'd be more than happy to get a season out of him this season and perhaps wait for a decent offer to come at the end of the season.

by **Alonso14** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:42 pm

Whens he's contract up anyway?

by **weringo** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:45 pm

Glad we kept Kewell, atm we need him badly as Gonzales tbh has been quite poor so far (not to say he wont get alot better)

by **crazyhorse** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:31 pm

I dont know why some memories here are as bad as they seem, but wasnt Harry Kewell one of our most consistant players last season???

by **GunGod** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:49 pm

crazyhorse wrote:I dont know why some memories here are as bad as they seem, but wasnt Harry Kewell one of our most consistant players last season???

That's because some of the guys in here have made some comments about Kewell in the past which they can't bring themselves to retract. So even a consistent season last year won't be enough to make them give a corrected and objective opinion anymore.

Kewell is injury prone, no doubts bout that. But his fitness was better last season than the season before that. Instead of being pessimistic, couldn't we hope that it will be better this season once he resumes playing?

If we can keep Robbie. If we can afford Garcia's excess wastage of balls. I don't see why can't we keep Kewell for last season he really played decently when the rest of the team were just wandering on the field.

Sell Kewell for 5m? Which idiot would make a statement like that? That's an Emile Heskey price.

by **bigmick** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:11 pm

GunGod wrote:Sell Kewell for 5m? Which idiot would make a statement like that? That's an Emile Heskey price.

In fairness I would take the view that NOT to sell Kewell for five million pounds would be if not quite an idiotic thing to do, a strange choice. FWIW I don't think it's an "Emile Heskey price" as in my opinion, both Bruce and Paul Jewell have grossly overpaid for the big man's services as he is patently garbage.

Back on the topic of Kewell, he is unquestionably a good player. He is however coming into the latter stages of his extremely expensive contract and the likelyhood is that when it comes to an end he will transfer elsewhere on a free as my feeling is Liverpool will be reluctant to get tied into a costly investment on a player who is more than a tad injury prone.

Few players have polarized opinion on here in my time as much as Kewell and in all probability this will continue until the day he leaves. My own feeling is that at his best he is/was a top player, but every player sooner or later passes his sell by date and Kewell is firmly in this category.

by **GunGod** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:45 am

bigmick wrote:
GunGod wrote:Sell Kewell for 5m? Which idiot would make a statement like that? That's an Emile Heskey price.

In fairness I would take the view that NOT to sell Kewell for five million pounds would be if not quite an idiotic thing to do, a strange choice. FWIW I don't think it's an "Emile Heskey price" as in my opinion, both Bruce and Paul Jewell have grossly overpaid for the big man's services as he is patently garbage.

My own feeling is that at his best he is/was a top player, but every player sooner or later passes his sell by date and Kewell is firmly in this category.

Many guys are saying " if 5m was offered for Kewell, I would bite their hands off" or "if 5m was offered Rafa should drive him there". It sounds as though Kewell is just some championship player. I'm not questioning whether Kewell is still the Leeds Kewell, he obviously isn't. But surely he aint that bad (yet). What irks me is that some of you actually think he's worth just 5m. Ok, if that's not a Hesky price since Mick you said its overpriced (and to which I tend to agree), then it's a Chimbonda price.

Perhaps you can counter by saying hey that's a Damien Duff price too but that's Chelsea.

Many of us tend to point to Kewell's wage bill. But he shouldn't be a prisoner of his wage bill and we shouldn't attach so much significance of whether a player performs in accordance to his wage bill. That's to a certain extent unfair and unneccesary. Moreover, he came to LFC at 5M (in admittedly shady situations) when he was worth at least 12M -15M. That goes some way in alleviating his wage bill doesn't it. Although the unfortunate circumstances which he and the club couldn't predict nor control was his constant injuries in the first few seasons.

Mick if you say Kewell's in the sell-by category. Then where is Robbie? Kewell's still only 27. Injuries prone indeed, but wasn't last season relatively consistent and to a certain extent comparatively injury free? From what I seen so far, if we were to let Kewell go that would leave a big hole in the left side cos Gonzo clearly does not cut it (yet). To suffer such an inadequacy just for 5M would seem to make our summer efforts in spending and recruiting an absolute joke.

The guy was voted MOM (if I remember correctly) in one of Australia's WC matches when he got a late winner. And after the FA Cup semi-final against Chelsea most of us (if not all) were just saying he's definitely worthy of the MOM. These are just recent matches, not 2 or 3 seasons ago. Why should we doubt his abilities so soon?

Lastly, its not as if we have to beg to get 5M for Kewell if we decide to sell him. If we make it clear that he's gonna go, loads of clubs would come in with a more than 5M offer (read: Spurs, Portsmouth etc.)

I have nothing against anyone nor am I exactly a fan of Kewell's. It just that I don't like seeing someone of such obvious talent being so absolutely degraded.

by **66-1112520797** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:22 am

GunGod wrote:
bigmick wrote:
GunGod wrote:Sell Kewell for 5m? Which idiot would make a statement like that? That's an Emile Heskey price.

In fairness I would take the view that NOT to sell Kewell for five million pounds would be if not quite an idiotic thing to do, a strange choice. FWIW I don't think it's an "Emile Heskey price" as in my opinion, both Bruce and Paul Jewell have grossly overpaid for the big man's services as he is patently garbage.

My own feeling is that at his best he is/was a top player, but every player sooner or later passes his sell by date and Kewell is firmly in this category.

Many guys are saying " if 5m was offered for Kewell, I would bite their hands off" or "if 5m was offered Rafa should drive him there". It sounds as though Kewell is just some championship player. I'm not questioning whether Kewell is still the Leeds Kewell, he obviously isn't. But surely he aint that bad (yet). What irks me is that some of you actually think he's worth just 5m. Ok, if that's not a Hesky price since Mick you said its overpriced (and to which I tend to agree), then it's a Chimbonda price.

Perhaps you can counter by saying hey that's a Damien Duff price too but that's Chelsea.

Many of us tend to point to Kewell's wage bill. But he shouldn't be a prisoner of his wage bill and we shouldn't attach so much significance of whether a player performs in accordance to his wage bill. That's to a certain extent unfair and unneccesary. Moreover, he came to LFC at 5M (in admittedly shady situations) when he was worth at least 12M -15M. That goes some way in alleviating his wage bill doesn't it. Although the unfortunate circumstances which he and the club couldn't predict nor control was his constant injuries in the first few seasons.

Mick if you say Kewell's in the sell-by category. Then where is Robbie? Kewell's still only 27. Injuries prone indeed, but wasn't last season relatively consistent and to a certain extent comparatively injury free? From what I seen so far, if we were to let Kewell go that would leave a big hole in the left side cos Gonzo clearly does not cut it (yet). To suffer such an inadequacy just for 5M would seem to make our summer efforts in spending and recruiting an absolute joke.

The guy was voted MOM (if I remember correctly) in one of Australia's WC matches when he got a late winner. And after the FA Cup semi-final against Chelsea most of us (if not all) were just saying he's definitely worthy of the MOM. These are just recent matches, not 2 or 3 seasons ago. Why should we doubt his abilities so soon?

Lastly, its not as if we have to beg to get 5M for Kewell if we decide to sell him. If we make it clear that he's gonna go, loads of clubs would come in with a more than 5M offer (read: Spurs, Portsmouth etc.)

I have nothing against anyone nor am I exactly a fan of Kewell's. It just that I don't like seeing someone of such obvious talent being so absolutely degraded.

Kewell is worth no more than 5m IMO, and if any club offered that, I'd say take. Simple as I cant echo BigMicks thoughts enough.

GunGod, why shouldnt Kewell be a "prisoner to his own wages" ? He negotiated a contract with the club, fair enough but again in my eyes he hasnt given the club anything back to really justify his wages. He can be accountable for that and should be, if he demands 50 or 60 grand a week the club and fans alike should expect to see that money being shelled out to good effect on the pitch.
Injuries or not at times his body language on the field is that of a player who looks like he'd rather be down the nail technicians getting his nails filled. Granted towards the end of last season he had a good run, but TBH thats not good enough.
On the other hand you've got Robbie who probably earns half the amount Kewell does, hell he'd even play for the club for nothing. A player in Robbie who would sweat blood for the club, a player whos obviously worked hard over the summer to get leaner and fitter. All that alone is much more than Kewell has produced in the time he's been here. And on top of ALL that you've got Robbie Fowlers abilities which STILL today are second to none.

To me Gungog theres no comparison, and business would tell me to cash in on Kewell while we still can and lighten the extremely high wage bill he continues to swallow up while on the physios bench. Harsh words I know but some truth there to be told.

by **7_Kewell** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:31 am

there's 2 issues here.

1- we need two players for every position and Rafa won't sell Kewell unless he finds someone else.

2- Kewell has been very unlucky with injuries. Yes, he's on a big contract, but that's hardly his fault. Houllier and Parry agreed the deal and if anyone on here was offered 60k a week, they would be lying if they said they'd turn it down. We saw at Chelsea (in the FA cup) what Kewell is still capable of and i am not confident that Gonzalez is ready to perform his best in the league yet. So When kewell comes back, i would say he'll be ahead of Gonzalez in the team...at least in the league.

by **bigmick** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:43 am

The Fowler situation is entirely different. It's different of course as Bamaga points out because the commitment and desire he shows to play for the club is in no way comparable to Kewell, but the main difference is that Fowler wouldn't be worth five million pounds on the transfer market.
If Kewell stays till the end of this season then he isn't worth a penny. Not five million, not five hundred thousand, but zero. So if you calculate his wages at sixty grand a week are going to cost three million over the season and the transfer fee is five million, then you are actually talking about a net cost for the season of eight million quid. Now if Kewell scores ten goals from the left-wing and is in the top three in the assists chart for the season in the Premiership it might be worth it. My suspicion is however, that he won't.
It's exactly the same situation we had with Owen a couple of years back. Players in the last throws of their contract are often worth getting shot of. It's not just the fact that it's your last chance to get a fee for them, you also have to consider that often the players commitment deteriorates in his last season.
Why? well a cynic might say that the player "protects" himself so as to ensure that there will be another big contract around the corner. There's no point in getting a broken knee ligament in your last season, of playing sixty games and risking a career threatening injury in an away game at Bolton on a wet and windy Wednesday night. No sir, treatnment table 'till Christmas then gradual rehabilitation through the winter months, before proving your fitness and ability remains intact just as the weather improves towards the end of the season. Now far be it for me to suggest that Harry could be as cynical as this but he certainly wouldn't be the first.

Five million quid? believe me, Liverpool would take that in a heartbeat.

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