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Postby 48-1119859832 » Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:15 pm

marcus.c wrote:
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marcus.c wrote:We do not need a group of "world class" players. What we need is a group of QUALITY players that are willing to play their hearts out for the club, week in week out.

We have prove that point, in 2005 by beating AC Milan in the CL finale.

Let us not be so critical of those old guards that have done so much for this club. Instead we should applude them.

Go and read a dictionary.

Whats e fuss with a couple of spelling mistakes?

Well considering the words you spelt incorrectly are basic words, it says a lot doesn't it?
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Postby RUSHIE#9 » Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:58 pm

0asis wrote:
marcus.c wrote:We do not need a group of "world class" players. What we need is a group of QUALITY players that are willing to play their hearts out for the club, week in week out.

We have prove that point, in 2005 by beating AC Milan in the CL finale.

Let us not be so critical of those old guards that have done so much for this club. Instead we should applude them.

Go and read a dictionary.

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This thread is really starting to make me  :no . Riise can have his off days as do all players. Stevie G has had a couple of quiet games during his career but threads don't suddenly pop up saying he's shite get rid of him. Against Haifa Riise did have a few poor moments but in reality he can't be blamed for the goal as that originated from a poor pass from Alonso and JAR showed his quality by coming back from a slightly poor performance by putting in a quality display against the champions on Sunday.
Lets leave the lad alone to get on with the start of the season and if he's having a shit season come november/december then we can start discussing whether he's good enough to wear the shirt.
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Postby murphy0151 » Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:12 pm

RUSHIE#9 wrote:
0asis wrote:
marcus.c wrote:We do not need a group of "world class" players. What we need is a group of QUALITY players that are willing to play their hearts out for the club, week in week out.

We have prove that point, in 2005 by beating AC Milan in the CL finale.

Let us not be so critical of those old guards that have done so much for this club. Instead we should applude them.

Go and read a dictionary.

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This thread is really starting to make me  :no . Riise can have his off days as do all players. Stevie G has had a couple of quiet games during his career but threads don't suddenly pop up saying he's shite get rid of him. Against Haifa Riise did have a few poor moments but in reality he can't be blamed for the goal as that originated from a poor pass from Alonso and JAR showed his quality by coming back from a slightly poor performance by putting in a quality display against the champions on Sunday.
Lets leave the lad alone to get on with the start of the season and if he's having a shit season come november/december then we can start discussing whether he's good enough to wear the shirt.

Fair point Rushie but do you think ive reallly come up with this after one game?   I said it a while ago an since then hes been good in a handfull off games.   An another thing if you take out Riise goal on sunday from his perfomance, what would off been saved by Chec anyway.  Would you say his perfonce was quality?  I wouldnt, to many times for me he looks like a sunday league player with his hoooofs.
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Postby 48-1119859832 » Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:20 pm

murphy0151 wrote:An another thing if you take out Riise goal on sunday from his perfomance, what would off been saved by Chec anyway.

It doesn't matter who was in goal, a goals a goal and it was well struck and I'm pretty sure you were jumping up and down when he scored.
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Postby aCe' » Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:34 pm

good point... i dont think this thread was started just because Riise had 1 cra,ppy game.... his performances throughout the season are inconsistent and his 'Maccabi Haifa' and 'Chelsea' displays summed it up brilliantly !
He is not the best left back in the world... Coddy... what you said i dont agree with ! A Roberto Carlos popped in mind with every description of Riise's brilliant game you seemed to come up with... I can name many left backs who i think would do a better job at liverpool than Riise does ! (R.Carlos, Zambrotta, A.Cole, Heinze...etc) thats only the one you probably know and would certainly agree with me on ...
Riise is a good leftback... by no means Shi.ite as some went on to say, but he also is not as brilliant as some of his better performances might imply ! He would make a decent left wingback but for a leftback, he lacks one or two needed defensive qualities and the inconsistency of his displays is what brings his game down so dramatically .
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Postby Kopite-Jud » Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:28 pm

John Arne Riise , Ohh Ahh , I Wanna Know Ohhh Ohhh Ohhh , How You Scored That Goal.
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Postby coddy » Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:34 pm

aCe' wrote:good point... i dont think this thread was started just because Riise had 1 cra,ppy game.... his performances throughout the season are inconsistent and his 'Maccabi Haifa' and 'Chelsea' displays summed it up brilliantly !
He is not the best left back in the world... Coddy... what you said i dont agree with ! A Roberto Carlos popped in mind with every description of Riise's brilliant game you seemed to come up with... I can name many left backs who i think would do a better job at liverpool than Riise does ! (R.Carlos, Zambrotta, A.Cole, Heinze...etc) thats only the one you probably know and would certainly agree with me on ...
Riise is a good leftback... by no means Shi.ite as some went on to say, but he also is not as brilliant as some of his better performances might imply ! He would make a decent left wingback but for a leftback, he lacks one or two needed defensive qualities and the inconsistency of his displays is what brings his game down so dramatically .

so remind me....... they can all play left wing also? ??? no ill think you'll find Zambrotta and Heinze are actually full backs. As for ashley Cole and Roberto Carlos they both play a completly different game to JAR, Cole doesn't attack the goal in open play like John does and Carlos got a nose bleed if he left his own half.
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Postby coddy » Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:39 pm

actually i stand corrected Zambrotta has played on the wing, but he's still nothing like JAR!!

I honestly think that noone could do a better job for the role that we use him in.
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Postby bigmick » Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:52 pm

My opinion is that he's a good player and nowhere near as bad as some are suggesting. He does have his limitations as an out and defender, the worst of which is a tendancy to drift out of concentration but he is one of the better all-round full backs in the league when you take into account his attacking threat. He is of course nowhere near the overall level of either Heinze or Cole but would be a better bet without question then the now departed del Horno.
Some have quoted his supposed transfer value on this thread and are a long way off in my opinion. He would go for somewhere in the region of 6-7 million in my view. I guess you may get 8 at a push if somebody needs a player who can also cover left-midfield. At first look Aurelio looks very tidy and if he makes the adjustment to English football, he will probably at the very least run Riise very close for the LB slot.
All in all though a good player to have around.
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Postby aCe' » Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:53 pm

coddy wrote:
aCe' wrote:good point... i dont think this thread was started just because Riise had 1 cra,ppy game.... his performances throughout the season are inconsistent and his 'Maccabi Haifa' and 'Chelsea' displays summed it up brilliantly !
He is not the best left back in the world... Coddy... what you said i dont agree with ! A Roberto Carlos popped in mind with every description of Riise's brilliant game you seemed to come up with... I can name many left backs who i think would do a better job at liverpool than Riise does ! (R.Carlos, Zambrotta, A.Cole, Heinze...etc) thats only the one you probably know and would certainly agree with me on ...
Riise is a good leftback... by no means Shi.ite as some went on to say, but he also is not as brilliant as some of his better performances might imply ! He would make a decent left wingback but for a leftback, he lacks one or two needed defensive qualities and the inconsistency of his displays is what brings his game down so dramatically .

so remind me....... they can all play left wing also? ??? no ill think you'll find Zambrotta and Heinze are actually full backs. As for ashley Cole and Roberto Carlos they both play a completly different game to JAR, Cole doesn't attack the goal in open play like John does and Carlos got a nose bleed if he left his own half.

mmmm.... i dont know what to say ! i mean.... do you even watch soccer ?!
Roberto carlos is better than riise in all aspects PERIOD.
Zambrotta is a better defender than riise is, a better attacker went it comes to left backs than Riise is and by far a better allround player than riise... a better winger too !
A.Cole is the best left back in the world today...he doesnt get a nose bleed when he leaves his half of the field and the fact that he is not played in left wingback doesnt mean anything !

+ what do you mean "play a different game than Riise's" ?
Carlos was nominated for WorldFottballer of the year and should have won it, he is quality and is one of the best leftbacks to have ever played the game.

I think you overrate Riise, not a little ! He's a good player...has good attributes but is not by anymeans a better leftback than the bunch i mentioned ! being a leftback means having good defensive as well as attacking qualities. When compared to the ones i mentioned, Riise falls short...simple as that .
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Postby aCe' » Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:58 pm

coddy wrote:actually i stand corrected Zambrotta has played on the wing, but he's still nothing like JAR!!

I honestly think that noone could do a better job for the role that we use him in.

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Postby Leonmc0708 » Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:54 am

aCe' wrote:
coddy wrote:
aCe' wrote:good point... i dont think this thread was started just because Riise had 1 cra,ppy game.... his performances throughout the season are inconsistent and his 'Maccabi Haifa' and 'Chelsea' displays summed it up brilliantly !
He is not the best left back in the world... Coddy... what you said i dont agree with ! A Roberto Carlos popped in mind with every description of Riise's brilliant game you seemed to come up with... I can name many left backs who i think would do a better job at liverpool than Riise does ! (R.Carlos, Zambrotta, A.Cole, Heinze...etc) thats only the one you probably know and would certainly agree with me on ...
Riise is a good leftback... by no means Shi.ite as some went on to say, but he also is not as brilliant as some of his better performances might imply ! He would make a decent left wingback but for a leftback, he lacks one or two needed defensive qualities and the inconsistency of his displays is what brings his game down so dramatically .

so remind me....... they can all play left wing also? ??? no ill think you'll find Zambrotta and Heinze are actually full backs. As for ashley Cole and Roberto Carlos they both play a completly different game to JAR, Cole doesn't attack the goal in open play like John does and Carlos got a nose bleed if he left his own half.

mmmm.... i dont know what to say ! i mean.... do you even watch soccer ?!
Roberto carlos is better than riise in all aspects PERIOD.
Zambrotta is a better defender than riise is, a better attacker went it comes to left backs than Riise is and by far a better allround player than riise... a better winger too !
A.Cole is the best left back in the world today...he doesnt get a nose bleed when he leaves his half of the field and the fact that he is not played in left wingback doesnt mean anything !

+ what do you mean "play a different game than Riise's" ?
Carlos was nominated for WorldFottballer of the year and should have won it, he is quality and is one of the best leftbacks to have ever played the game.

I think you overrate Riise, not a little ! He's a good player...has good attributes but is not by anymeans a better leftback than the bunch i mentioned ! being a leftback means having good defensive as well as attacking qualities. When compared to the ones i mentioned, Riise falls short...simple as that .

No we watch football, and your opinion is now worth funk all you toss pot.
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Postby Ciggy » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:04 am

Hey Leon were where you on sunday I seen your brother and Murph dancin on the telly  :D
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Postby aCe' » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:39 am

Leonmc0708 wrote:
aCe' wrote:
coddy wrote:
aCe' wrote:good point... i dont think this thread was started just because Riise had 1 cra,ppy game.... his performances throughout the season are inconsistent and his 'Maccabi Haifa' and 'Chelsea' displays summed it up brilliantly !
He is not the best left back in the world... Coddy... what you said i dont agree with ! A Roberto Carlos popped in mind with every description of Riise's brilliant game you seemed to come up with... I can name many left backs who i think would do a better job at liverpool than Riise does ! (R.Carlos, Zambrotta, A.Cole, Heinze...etc) thats only the one you probably know and would certainly agree with me on ...
Riise is a good leftback... by no means Shi.ite as some went on to say, but he also is not as brilliant as some of his better performances might imply ! He would make a decent left wingback but for a leftback, he lacks one or two needed defensive qualities and the inconsistency of his displays is what brings his game down so dramatically .

so remind me....... they can all play left wing also? ??? no ill think you'll find Zambrotta and Heinze are actually full backs. As for ashley Cole and Roberto Carlos they both play a completly different game to JAR, Cole doesn't attack the goal in open play like John does and Carlos got a nose bleed if he left his own half.

mmmm.... i dont know what to say ! i mean.... do you even watch soccer ?!
Roberto carlos is better than riise in all aspects PERIOD.
Zambrotta is a better defender than riise is, a better attacker went it comes to left backs than Riise is and by far a better allround player than riise... a better winger too !
A.Cole is the best left back in the world today...he doesnt get a nose bleed when he leaves his half of the field and the fact that he is not played in left wingback doesnt mean anything !

+ what do you mean "play a different game than Riise's" ?
Carlos was nominated for WorldFottballer of the year and should have won it, he is quality and is one of the best leftbacks to have ever played the game.

I think you overrate Riise, not a little ! He's a good player...has good attributes but is not by anymeans a better leftback than the bunch i mentioned ! being a leftback means having good defensive as well as attacking qualities. When compared to the ones i mentioned, Riise falls short...simple as that .

No we watch football, and your opinion is now worth funk all you toss pot.

yea... i know what i said was a little out of line but what he said was just ridiculous.... ! sorry but posts like that one get to me and nothing personal Coddy but...   :no
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Postby account deleted by request » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:43 am

I think its cos you said soccer not football ACE. Soccer is a game played in USA by kids, football is our national sport (unless you count cricket or fishing :D )
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