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by **Judge** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:44 pm

0asis wrote:
john craig wrote:
0asis wrote:I wasn't wrong as I didn't say they would get to the final, I said they were contenders and that's exactly what they were. France went out in the group stage in 2002 does that mean they aren't contenders? Mexico were and are contenders, so I got it right. The fact of the matter is, they are never outclassed, where as a lot of teams are. They were unlucky to go out against Argentina and they were unlucky to lose against Portugal, so no I'm not accepting I'm wrong. Becoz I'm not wrong.

Are you actually Mexican?

My father is Mexican yes, however I don't consider myself Mexican. That's beside the point, Mexico are and will always challengers. And to say that Marquez is Mexico's only "world class" player is utter s.*i*e, he's probably the most known Mexico player to Europeans but I can assure you ppl like Pardo, Sanchez, Osorio and Salcido are all top quality players. And as I said Argentina won't get a more stern test than Mexico. Mexico were unlucky that's all. It happens in football you win some, you lose some.

i put mexican fans into a search engine and got this:

i love mexico now

by **48-1119859832** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:45 pm

Ace Ventura wrote:Do me a favour and f'ck of if all you can do is criticise England.
Anyone who has any clue about Michael Owen knows that he improves with a run of games after a long term injury, in the latter stages of the tournament he would of come good, the championships you are knocking the lad in he scored in each game when the team lost.
He didnt set the world alight in the group stages in 2002 but then scored against Denmark and Brazil.
Again in 2004 he wasn't exactly on fire but linked up really well with Rooney providing assists and showing a different side to his game, and then scoring a great oppurtunist goal against Portugal.
He is the top goalscorer in the current squad and always capable of popping up with a goal in the big games.
You know f'ck all and have no loyalty towards England so feck off and support the mexicans.

I have every right to criticise England. I've never seen anything from any England team which has made me think "they might just be able to do it this time". England have always had great & good individual players but have never been able to work a fully, functioning unit. Until they are able to do that,keep posession for large parts of the game, mix up play better, they will never look convincing. That's a fact, I'd love to see England win the World Cup but until the players learn to embrace different styles of football besides, playing this in your face pressing game and chasing the ball, they will never be seen as a great footballing side.

If you can't handle that then that's tough because if you seriously think with the football England play you can win the World Cup with the likes of Spain, Argentina, Brazil and Germany still in the competition, you're showing total madness. There's having faith and then there's being stupid.

by **Ace Ventura** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:04 pm

Oasis talking of stupidity, where are your tip for the world cup now ?

Drowning themselves in tequila probably.
England may not be up there with Brazil and Argentina, but they are a threat to any team and could surprise anyone.

The mighty Argentines were beaten 3-2 not so long ago with 2 goals from our injured top scorer, the player you think England wont miss.

by **48-1119859832** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:23 pm

Ace Ventura wrote:Oasis talking of stupidity, where are your tip for the world cup now ?

Drowning themselves in tequila probably.
England may not be up there with Brazil and Argentina, but they are a threat to any team and could surprise anyone.

The mighty Argentines were beaten 3-2 not so long ago with 2 goals from our injured top scorer, the player you think England wont miss.

You can rub it in, but ask many Argentine ppl and they will be the first to put their hands up and say "we had the majority of luck". However that's irrelevant seeing as we're talking about England here.

England are a threat indeed, I never said they weren't but they are not this great team that the English media and some old football legends like Pele are making them out to be. If you look at the individuals, then England have a great array of talent. If you look at how they play together and the teams performances on the whole, then they are no more than a bog standard national side who play one dimensional football.

And you beat Argentina in a friendly so what? Who cares about friendlies? Apart from the English?. No one does, the Argetines couldn't careless if England had beaten them 7-2 in a friendly, neither does Germany. England are always impressive in qualifiers and friendlies, but when it comes to the final third, the World Cup finals or Euro finals, they are no where to been seen.

You beat Germany 5-1 in qualifiers, yet Germany got to the final the following year and got the results when it mattered. You've beaten Argentina last year, but look at them now, playing football you'd associate with Champions.

I never said England won't miss Owen, I know as a Liverpool supporter than Owen on his day is untouchable, but he rarely has his days when wearing the number 10 of England. And with him being sidelined for months last season meant that he had to use the early matches of the World Cup to gain fitness. I don't think he would of done much against Portugal, but that doesn't matter now considering he's injured and will be out for another 5 months.

As I said, I'd love to see England go on to win the WC, I just don't think it will happen, and I'm entitled to my view. If Lampard can actually score and Gerrard can score more often, with the likes of Joe Cole, Wayne Rooney and Crouch getting goals too, and you're defence being much stronger than what it is, you're in with a good chance of getting into the semi's and even the final, but becoz England make a barrel of excuses, you're manager is inept and you're players aren't firing on all cylinders, you're defence at times is woeful, you're too one dimensional and England don't work as a unit, I don't think you'll get past Portugal.

by **Ace Ventura** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:39 pm

the only part i would go along with of that is the manager is inept.
Michael Owen rarely has his day wearing the 10 of England ?
You get better by the post

36 goals aged 26 seems to dispel that rubbish.

The english media has also not been talking up englands chances this time around either, most are saying that we will struggle to progress unless we improve drastically, they are fair comments we have been lacklustre so far and dont look anywhere near champions, but Saturday is another game, we do have the players capable of doing the business and then if we reach the semi's all we need is to be disciplined and have a little bit of luck and you never know.

by **Judge** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:49 pm

0asis wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:Oasis talking of stupidity, where are your tip for the world cup now ?

Drowning themselves in tequila probably.
England may not be up there with Brazil and Argentina, but they are a threat to any team and could surprise anyone.

The mighty Argentines were beaten 3-2 not so long ago with 2 goals from our injured top scorer, the player you think England wont miss.

You can rub it in, but ask many Argentine ppl and they will be the first to put their hands up

correct oasis, maradona put his hand up in 1986, and look what happened there

by **48-1119859832** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:17 pm

Judge wrote:
0asis wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:Oasis talking of stupidity, where are your tip for the world cup now ?

Drowning themselves in tequila probably.
England may not be up there with Brazil and Argentina, but they are a threat to any team and could surprise anyone.

The mighty Argentines were beaten 3-2 not so long ago with 2 goals from our injured top scorer, the player you think England wont miss.

You can rub it in, but ask many Argentine ppl and they will be the first to put their hands up

correct oasis, maradona put his hand up in 1986, and look what happened there

by **48-1119859832** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:24 pm

Ace Ventura wrote:the only part i would go along with of that is the manager is inept.
Michael Owen rarely has his day wearing the 10 of England ?
You get better by the post 36 goals aged 26 seems to dispel that rubbish.

The english media has also not been talking up englands chances this time around either, most are saying that we will struggle to progress unless we improve drastically, they are fair comments we have been lacklustre so far and dont look anywhere near champions, but Saturday is another game, we do have the players capable of doing the business and then if we reach the semi's all we need is to be disciplined and have a little bit of luck and you never know.

Owen has an impressive goalscoring record but what I meant was he never sets the big stage alight on International level. Owen doesn't peform as well for his country than his club. England's media before the WC for around 6 months were bigging up the England tea, it's only since their poor showing at this years World Cup that the England players have been getting torn into by the press.

You do have the players, yes, anyone can tell you that, but do you have the team to do it, that's the question. In Sven's defence he doesn't play tactics and formations that the England players are alien with, so that's not an excuse unless he plays something like a 3-6-1 formation.

But if you get past Portugal than I hope you go all the way, but I don't think you'll get past Portugal, especially if a dreaded penalty shoot out takes place.

by **65-1149024436** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:28 pm

hawkmoon269 wrote:What I don't understand is why Sven brought Wallcott, and then not played him. It's a waste of a place for someone else.

Sven took Walcott through the media pressure, also I think it had something to do with David Dean and the role he had in the FA.

He should of taken Defoe, I know he hasn't had the best of seasons but he's a quality striker and playing in the World Cup would of brought the best out of him. Also he is the ideal replacement for Michael Owen.

Theo Walcott will most probably not play one minute in this World Cup.

I'm glad Sven is going after this World Cup. The man has no balls!

by **Ace Ventura** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:28 pm

Andrew Johnson wrote:
hawkmoon269 wrote:What I don't understand is why Sven brought Wallcott, and then not played him. It's a waste of a place for someone else.

Sven took Walcott through the media pressure, also I think it had something to do with David Dean and the role he had in the FA.

He should of taken Defoe, I know he hasn't had the best of seasons but he's a quality striker and playing in the World Cup would of brought the best out of him. Also he is the ideal replacement for Michael Owen.

Theo Walcott will most probably not play one minute in this World Cup.

I'm glad Sven is going after this World Cup. The man has no balls!

What media pressure was that ?

It was only about 2 days before the squad was anounced that the media mentioned Walcott and most reporters were stunned by the managers decision.
Sven gambled before seeing the lad, and it has backfired spectaculaly but i cant see Dein having any influence on the players that Sven has picked at all.

by **Ace Ventura** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:33 pm

OASIS : But if you get past Portugal than I hope you go all the way, but I don't think you'll get past Portugal, especially if a dreaded penalty shoot out takes place.

Well i am glad thats your prediction cos if its anything like your tip for the tournament then we will be fine

Owen never sets the big stage alight on the international stage

The goal against Argentina in 98 and the hat-trick in Munich in 2001 must be figments of my imagination then.
Before you say they were years ago and he is not the player he was then, but he is still a fantastic goalscorer and when he has a run of games under his belt, he is the most likely matchwinner England have. (by matchwinner i mean a player to pop with a goal at a vital time, not someone who creates something from nothing...like Rooney)

by **laza** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:53 am

Klose 5
Henry 3
Villa 3
Ronaldo 3
Rodríguez 3

Well Klose looks to have it in the bag unless Henry can do something special

by **laza** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:49 am

Well it wasnt even close in the end .........wait a minute it was Klose

by **babu** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:22 am

laza wrote:Well it wasnt even close in the end .........wait a minute it was Klose

oooh you're a funny guy. :oops:

by **stmichael** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:45 pm

LFC #1 wrote:I hope it's Pauleta if Portugal do well. He's scored goals for fun in the last few quailfying campaigns Portugal have had (Euro 2004 and WC 2006), and it's about time he proved himelf on the big stage. He has the quality.

oh well scott

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