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by **Lando_Griffin** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:40 pm

stmichael wrote:well it's been a while since i've done this so i thought i'd bring it back. as usual, please just answer the following as honestly as possible.

1. If you could choose feeder clubs for LFC, what would they be? (realistic options please).

2. Why was the Boot Room so important to LFC?

3. Bob Paisley is the most successful manager in British football. Could he have done what Shankly did when he arrived at the club, ie: awaken a sleeping giant?

4. We all think of Carragher and Gerrard as the local lads who made it into the team and never forgot where they came from? What other past LFC players were like Carragher and Gerrard in this manner?

5. What's the best LFC match you have ever seen excluding Istanbul, May 2005?

I will nominate somebody for next week later

1. A couple of clubs in South America. (Brazil and Argentina, preferably).

2. It instilled the values and discipline which are now hallmarks of Liverpool FC, which led to such unprecidented success for the club.

3. WHo knows? It's doubtful I'd say. Shankly was a one-off.

4. Fowler, David Thompson, Phil Thompson, and about 300 others!!!!

5. Either the FA CUp Final 2006, or LFC Vs Newcastle, 4-3. (The first one!)

by **Bad Bob** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:27 pm

EddieC wrote:1. Don't know exactly who, but I would like to see us tap into the African talent available, so a team from that continent would be fine by me.

Only trouble is, very few African players of any quality actually play in African domestic leagues. Take the Ivory Coast, the announcer said the other night that not one of their players (starters or whole team?) played domestically!

by **EddieC** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:34 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
EddieC wrote:1. Don't know exactly who, but I would like to see us tap into the African talent available, so a team from that continent would be fine by me.

Only trouble is, very few African players of any quality actually play in African domestic leagues. Take the Ivory Coast, the announcer said the other night that not one of their players (starters or whole team?) played domestically!

Surely they must play in their own country at some point before they're snapped up?

by **Bad Bob** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:44 pm

EddieC wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
EddieC wrote:1. Don't know exactly who, but I would like to see us tap into the African talent available, so a team from that continent would be fine by me.

Only trouble is, very few African players of any quality actually play in African domestic leagues. Take the Ivory Coast, the announcer said the other night that not one of their players (starters or whole team?) played domestically!

Surely they must play in their own country at some point before they're snapped up?

Yeah, the must but my sense is:

1) Many are snapped up very young and enter the youth systems of European teams (esp French teams in the case of the Ivory Coast). Look at Sissoko, whom Benitez signed as a teenager in France, not in Africa.

AND

2) It might be hard to identify one or two African clubs that produce talent consistently enough to be approached as an LFC feeder club

These, however, are just impressions--I might be well out of my depth here and I would love to hear insights from someone who has a better grasp of African football.

by **Dannyboy** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:58 pm

s@int wrote:1/ USA as their sportsmen are brought up to have discipline and the right attitude to sport. Players from USA would have no language problems and because of their size would (unlike many asians) have no problems with a physical league like ours.

have to agree that a club in the states would benifit us. america is improving as a soccer country and FIFA have got the national team as 4th in the world. which imo is nonsense but that is another subject.
the mentality of sportsmen in america is important plus just the simple aspect of the size of the country there has to be talent that LFC could use.
this of course is just my opinion and the fact of the matter is due to rafas contacts the most probable way will be a spanish
side.

by **adamnbarrett** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:26 pm

1. As it has been said I would like to see us scout some African talent, but there are also good young brazillians and Argies around

2. It is vital. Keep players fit and instore the right mentality.

3. I don't know. Honestly. I think that Bob probably learnt alot from Shanks and this probably led to him being very successful aswell. Shanks is one in a million though.

4. Ian Callaghan, Aldo and Tommy Smith are the exact ones you are looking for.

5. There have been many but the one that is standing out to me is the 2006 FA Cup Final. That's a game where I can say 'I was there' and I'll never forget it. It didn't fully make up for not being able to go to Istanbul but it's half way there.

by **Reinas No.1 Fan** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:57 pm

stmichael wrote:my answer to question 2.

have you ever tried playing without boots?

oh saint that is so bad it makes jason lee look good.

by **Dalglish** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:48 pm

1. Crewe have been a disappointment in terms of bringing players through who have made it at Liverpool. Murphy is the only one who can be considered as a success. Dean Ashton got away (I'm sure he played for Crewe ? ). With the obvious Spanish connections at the club a Spanish lower League side might be a possiblity. After the debacle that WAS Daio and Diouf I don't think LFC will be keen to tap the African Market and as Arsenal have discovered you have to be VERY careful how you go about it !

2. The Boot Room epitomised everything that was Liverpool Football Club and it became the abiding legacy of Bill Shankly's reign as manager. Many other clubs in the lower leagues have boot rooms but what ours had was experience, a vast knowledge of the game, an understanding of what football meant to the people and at it's helm a man for whom the word "Legend" is almost an understatement , Bill Shankly.

3. You know despite his greater succes in terms of trophies I'm not convinced Bob Paisley could have done what Shankly did. Whereas Shanks was all public and loved the limelight Bob was a painfully shy man who shunned the limlight. What he did have however was that steely determination to win and the support of great coaches like Ronnie Moran, Evans and Fagan. I'm just not sure he could have done what Shanks did in ressurrecting this great club.

4. Aldo, Fairclough, Heighway, Callaghan ,McDrmott, Sammy Lee, Fowler.......We have been lucky at Liverpool , VERY lucky to have blooded so many local lads. Like Carra they would play for a tenner a week and stil give their all.

5. You kept the hardest one till last. Personally I'm going for the 5-4 against Alaves not just for the game but the whole experience of being there. The Newcastle 4-3 was a better game thats for sure but I loved Dortmund and this World Cup is bringing it all back to me as a fair few games have been played at the "Westfalenstadion".

by **PhiLFC** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:22 pm

1. Crewe are fine but I wouldn't mind having a dutch feeder club - they consistently produce some of the finest players.

2. Continuity, pure and simple... it should never have gone to Sounness.

3. It still takes a good manager to carry on good work but a poor manager can ruin team spirit almost overnight (see 2). So I would say yes Paisley could've done what Shankly did.

4. Tommy Smith, Phil Thompson, God, Roy Evans, Sammy Lee

5. Mmmmmm very difficult... dunno... I remember a thrashing of Forest when they were European Champs or English Champions or something like that - an absolutely awesome display by Liverpool. But when we were 3 down against the scum (stmichael mentions it above) also stands out strongly for me... I remember Ruddock almost being KO'd with the strength of his header... another few minutes at the end of the game we defo would've won.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:53 pm

1. I think it'd be great to have links to Tranmere and Crewe, so that we can bring players to England game and send them straight there to gain experience. It'd also be a great way of bringing our youth players through - far better than the reserve leagues.

A lower league Spanish club is the obvious choice, given Rafa's close ties and knowledge of the country's football. What I'd hope for though, is for ties with a South American club. Signing the likes of Gonzalez, Alves and Aurelio will immediately raise our profile over there, and it'd be great if these players did so well here that young South American footballers coming through start to view Liverpool as the club they want to play for. If we had a club that was scouting on our behalf over there, LFC's job would be so much the easier.

2. Others have hit the nail on the head about the boot room - the sense of continuity, of the club as an almost family unit, and simply the fact that the history and evolution of the club via the boot room instantly told everyone involved that loyalty is rewarded.

3. It's a very good question, but it's almost impossible to answer with authority. The bottom line is that not many people could have done what Shankly did, and those that could (the likes of Ferguson and Clough are the obvious names) will have done well to do it as quickly as Shanks managed, and to maintain the standard long enough to establish a legacy. I think it's possible that Paisley could've had a similar impact given time, but I'd certainly add that I'm sure he's delighted that he didn't have to!

4. Aldridge and Fowler stick out for me. Incredibly down-to-earth guys.

5. The UEFA Cup final v Alaves was just astonishing. Everyone was predicting a tight game, but it was the most open game of football I've ever seen in my life. I just wish it hadn't been an own goal that settled it - I'd have loved McAllister to have got the winner in open play.

The 9-0 demolition of Crystal Palace needs mentioning as well. The roar for Aldridge to come from the bench when we got a penalty was an absolutely spine-tingling moment. There are better football matches, but as an exhibition of how good those players could be together, it's a really classic occasion.

by **drummerphil** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:59 pm

my favourite game was a 5 nil against forest a few years back.........will have to think about the others.

by **crazyhorse** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:03 pm

stmichael wrote:well it's been a while since i've done this so i thought i'd bring it back. as usual, please just answer the following as honestly as possible.

1. If you could choose feeder clubs for LFC, what would they be? (realistic options please).

2. Why was the Boot Room so important to LFC?

3. Bob Paisley is the most successful manager in British football. Could he have done what Shankly did when he arrived at the club, ie: awaken a sleeping giant?

4. We all think of Carragher and Gerrard as the local lads who made it into the team and never forgot where they came from? What other past LFC players were like Carragher and Gerrard in this manner?

5. What's the best LFC match you have ever seen excluding Istanbul, May 2005?

I will nominate somebody for next week later

1. Crewe, Peterborough Utd (Barry fry has turned out some great young players in his time)

2. Tradition and continuity; every change of manager would happen like a changing of the season, natural and seemless. The boot room was a great focus for the club and a legend in the football world.

3. Possibly, but it took a determined dour Scot to pull us up there - another club springs to mind?? Although fergie is nothing on Shanks there is a comparrison to be drawn.

4. Only one for me - Emlyn Hughes.

5. Several years ago, Aldo scored three in a 6 - 0 thrashing of Nottingham Forest. The look on Cloughies face was enough to cover the ticket price alone!!!!

by **TOM 1** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:26 am

dawson99 wrote:who were the 2 scousers who did the scouser bit on the anfield rap?

[B]aldridge and mcmahon

by **thegreedo** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:21 pm

1) For me, as I believe Rafa is looking for a balance of English strength an Spanish skill as he builds his side I would see most benefit to be gained from being fed by lower league Spanish and English teams.

2) The bootroom was the tactical hub of Liverpool FC for many years. It was an informal location for coaches to swap general tactical ideas, this even occasionally included opposition coaches. It was invaluable as many a winning system was concocted in there.

3)As great a manager as paisley was I believe he was not a big enough character to have transformed the profile of the club like Shanks did. It needed a real "larger than life" general of a man and that's exactly what Shanks was.

4) Fowler, Fairclough, Smith, Thompson and Callaghan.

5) C/L semi vs Chelsea. I know the game itself was no classic but I have to say in going on for twenty years of attending football matches all over the world I have never experienced an atmosphere like that.
It will be something I can tell my grand kids about. The st Etienne for my generation.

by **LFCNUTTER** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:47 pm

I am suprised nobody has said joey jones for question 4 . he was and still is Liverpool through and through (even if he is welsh)

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