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by **tubby** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:48 pm

Scottbot wrote:
stmichael wrote:Bellamy on top of his game and not causing trouble would be a great signing. Any trouble and he'll be out on his ear full stop.

That pretty much hits the nail on the head. Any mouth from Bellamy on the pitch and Carra, Stevie and the entire Kop will be all over him. Any trouble off it and Rafa will move him on. I'm still not completely convinced (but warming ot the idea)but the poster who drew comparisons with the Crouch transfer last season has a point. There will be plenty of fans who would prefer not to see Bellamy at the club but at the end of the day it's pretty hard not to trust a manager who has brought the European Cup and FA Cup to Anfield in just two seasons. I trust the Captain of our ship.

If theres one thing that we can trust Rafa to do, it is to make desicions for the better of the club. There were many Crouch critics myself inclued but now i heard Allerdyce is saying that he is probabaly England best striker!

by **yckatbjywtbiastkamb** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:53 pm

i quite like the idea of signing him tbh, bellamy knows if he starts mouthing off or making demands to rafa he`ll go the same way as murphy and letallec who`s only crimes were to demand a starting place.
bellamy is superb at arcing his runs towards the flanks and breaking the offside trap (the amount of times he gets called for being offside when he isnt is amazing) but unlike cisse when bearing down on the box his first instinct is to look for a team mate and only shoots if no other options are available. he`s very `heads up` in that situation.
if the gossip coloumns are to beleived he may be a selfish person but he`s certainly not a selfish footballer, its no surprise that when shearer had his little indian summer a couple of seasons ago where his name was even whispered in england circles again that bellamy was his strike partner. bellamy left and the goals dried up.
signing him is a risk but i think its a risk worth taking, he is proven in the premiership, very fast, cool headed when bearing down on goal and cheap compared to other names being banded about.
and dont forget his firey temperament can be a positive, he`s a sore loser and doesnt just stand there gesticulating if things are going wrong - in fact he`s more liable to be sent off because he can be a bit wild when chasing down the ball.

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:28 am

Forget Bellamy, let go for Defoe. That boy ( defoe ) is hungry for success . He must be angry when SE tell him to fly back to England.

by **Scottbot** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:39 am

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by **DonnieDarko** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:47 am

Forget Bellamy, let go for Defoe. That boy ( defoe ) is hungry for success . He must be angry when SE tell him to fly back to England.

I really don't rate Defoe. He really doesn't play well within a team (which is why he was dropped for Robbie Keane). Sure he will score some goals but I don't think he is really what we are looking for at this juncture.

I am really touting Bellamy here because I don't think most of the people that are slagging him actually watched him play this year. They have just heard about his "troubles" (which are falling out with Souness and picking a fight with Shearer via text message :laugh:

~who can really blame him). Bellamy really can do everything reasonably well: he is good in the air, he can hold the ball up, he is exremely fit, he is a good finisher, he can score from distance, he is pacy, he is great at timing runs, and he is good at setting up chances for his mates. He really likes working the channels on the behind the fullbacks to open up space in the center (NONE of our strikers have done that this year).

The only thing that concerns me is his attitude in the locker room. He has a reputation for pushing himself extremely hard and never giving up, but he is also known for bitching at his teammates. Steven Reid called him a "moaner" because he demands a lot from his teammates. However, with a 6m dollar price tag it would be insane not to buy him. He will make a huge difference next year.

Lets look at some stats because I know many of you are stat mongers here. He started 20 games this year and made substitute appearances 6 times. In games that he started he scored 11 goals. In games that he subbed in he scored 2. That is a goal every other game (in one game he only played for 13 minutes). It gets scary when you look at his form in Feb, March, April. From 15 of Feb to the 18 of April, he averaged a goal a game. I also believe that during much of the early year he was injured. S

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:08 am

I really don't rate Defoe. He really doesn't play well within a team (which is why he was dropped for Robbie Keane). Sure he will score some goals but I don't think he is really what we are looking for at this juncture.

I can understand everyone have their own points on every player. No matter how good you are as a player , if you doesnt fit into your manager's plan, is as good as "you can pack and go"

So if you compare Bellamy vs Defoe. Out of 100 ppl who know what its take to be a good striker . I think its be will 75% will go for Defoe.

by **babu** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:20 am

LiverpoolMadman wrote:So if you compare Bellamy vs Defoe. Out of 100 ppl who know what its take to be a good striker . I think its be will 75% will go for Defoe.

Hahah where the hell are you going to find 100 people who know what it means to be a good striker?

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:38 am

Hahah where the hell are you going to find 100 people who know what it means to be a good striker?

As for you, you can start right after school hours and dont forget to inform yr parents that you will be late for dinner

by **babu** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:46 am

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by **DonnieDarko** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:21 am

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I really don't rate Defoe. He really doesn't play well within a team (which is why he was dropped for Robbie Keane). Sure he will score some goals but I don't think he is really what we are looking for at this juncture.

I can understand everyone have their own points on every player. No matter how good you are as a player , if you doesnt fit into your manager's plan, is as good as "you can pack and go"

So if you compare Bellamy vs Defoe. Out of 100 ppl who know what its take to be a good striker . I think its be will 75% will go for Defoe.

What a load of rubbish. Your the one who rates Cisse so no doubt you know what it means to be a good striker (hint: it does not mean scoring semi-regularly and contributing nothing to overall play).

I doubt you could find any Tottenham fans that really rate Defoe. Most I talk to feel that he is a selfish profligate who tends to drift in and out of games. There is no denying that when Defoe is on top of his game, he is one of the best around, but those moments of brilliance are too rare to justify his 14m pound (I believe) price tage.

With Bellamy, at a fraction of the cost, you get a more consistent goal scorer who contributes much more to the overall play of the team. Furthermore, most Blackburn fans are keen to hold on to him as he really carried the team at times during the season.

Sort that out.

by **VamosRafa** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:30 am

At 27 bellamy is coming into the peak of his ability as a footballer. He has always been a talented player in my opinion, showing signs of great promise throughout his career, which were pretty much confirmed during the 2nd half of last season.
He's very pacey and can finish, but vitally has the footballing brain to go along with these attributes that the likes of cisse and baros lacked. If we can sign him for £6/7m, and fetch a similar price from Marseille/Lyon for Cisse when he eventually recovers, it would be an unbelievably good piece of business by rafa.
I feel it would be unwise to dismiss Bellamy because of his fiery temperament. Its highly unlikely that Bellamy would allow his mood swings to ruin the golden opportunity of playing for a club as great as LFC.
Bringing him to the club would definitely be a risk worth taking when you consider that he already knows what it takes to play in the premiership, and the fact that he will gain better service from alonso and gerrard, than he does from brett emerton

by **DonnieDarko** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:45 am

At 27 bellamy is coming into the peak of his ability as a footballer. He has always been a talented player in my opinion, showing signs of great promise throughout his career, which were pretty much confirmed during the 2nd half of last season.
He's very pacey and can finish, but vitally has the footballing brain to go along with these attributes that the likes of cisse and baros lacked. If we can sign him for £6/7m, and fetch a similar price from Marseille/Lyon for Cisse when he eventually recovers, it would be an unbelievably good piece of business by rafa.
I feel it would be unwise to dismiss Bellamy because of his fiery temperament. Its highly unlikely that Bellamy would allow his mood swings to ruin the golden opportunity of playing for a club as great as LFC.
Bringing him to the club would definitely be a risk worth taking when you consider that he already knows what it takes to play in the premiership, and the fact that he will gain better service from alonso and gerrard, than he does from brett emerton

rep. great first post :bowdown

by **Bad Bob** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:53 am

Kudos DD and Vamos...you've both laid out compelling arguments for bringing Bellamy to Anfield. I find it hard to argue with bringing him in from a footballing point of view. I'm hoping he's matured a bit since his Newcastle days and that the crack of the whip at a top club will bring out the best in him.

As I've said in an earlier post, he's definitely in the worth the risk category for me and I'd love to see this little piece of business completed soon.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:05 am

It now looks as if the Bellamy deal is as good as done(depending on Bellamys interview with Rafa when Bellamy returns from honeymoon.)He wouldnt be my first choice but I wasnt thrilled with the other candidates Bent or Defoe either so I am not too despondent. On the plus side Bellamy has pace, good movement, is hard working and has a will to win. He must know this is his only chance to make it with a top club so I am hoping his attitude/behaviour will be ok.I still believe he isnt top class but maybe he can make up with hard running what he lacks in quality. For the ones out there who think he is an Owen clone I think you will be surprised(disappointed?) he is not really a box preditor like Owen but more like Baros. Most of his goals seem to be runs into the box with the ball rather than runs in the box to meet the ball. He makes good runs in the channels ala Baros but hopefully to better effect as he seems more aware of other players.(He looks up)From what I have seen he doesnt appear to be selfish but his final ball isnt always very good. I saw a lot more of him at Newcastle than at Blackburn so my opinion may be dated(as well as wrong)

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:07 am

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