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by **Espionage** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:42 am

alessandromagno wrote:Well, I hope he decides to stay..and of course Sisok and Hamman are both holding midfield players and totally unlike Alonso and Gerrard.

Well my friend you are wrong, we have one of the best holding midfielders in the premiership, ALONSO.
Alonso is revolutionising the midfield holding role. He never gets into the box, he stays just infront of the back 4, and still plays a large role in attacking due to his great distribution.

Once again you show how little you know by saying that Sissoko is a holding midfield player, hes not even close. He roams box-to-box and breaks up play, he gets forward as much/if not more than Gerrard. Whereas a holding player (i.e Hamann) will more often then not sit in front of the back four.

....IF... you watched Liverpool at all ....AND/OR.... you had any tactical awareness you would have spotted that these are the roles that ....BOTH.... have played for basically the whole of last season.

If Hamann has been told by Benitez that he can leave then that means that there will not be enough minutes in central midfield to go around if he stays. If Hamann waits another season without getting many minutes here, then he will find it very hard to transfer anywhere. If he moves he can be garunteed a starting spot at Bolten, or he can be 4th choice at Liverpool. Rafa is ruthless, but in this situation he is hardly being cruel or disrespectful to Hamann and the services that he gave our club for the last 7 years.

So be quiet and stop filling this forum with rubbish

by **tubby** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:45 am

Dario Srna looked pretty decnet last night. I didnt see much of his crossing ability but physically he looked able to hold his own against Brazil in a very impressively organised Croatia team that were unlucky not to get a draw.

He really got stuck in to Ronaldinho a few times. He would not cost more than 6 Mil and im sure Rafa has been sniffing around him for some time now.

by **matrix** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:59 am

flombs wrote:I dont know if this should have been submitted as a new topic
but...

Here are a couple of links to mull over in regarding Daniel Alves
hopefully coming to Liverpool. I think i may need the help of sabre to interpret the first link.

I quite like the guy, the couple of times i have seen him play
he was good. Maybe Sabre again can shed some light on him.And if he would fit with our style of play.

David Alves (Marca)

David Alves (Sky Sports)

I have also read (on another forum site) that David Alves has
confirmed that he would like to come to Liverpool on Sky Sports.

i would love us to get alves, and i have to say i think its going to happen, unlike benfica with simao, i think seville will make the deal happen...this is rafas number one target according to press reports...lets all hope :buttrock

by **kingycrouch** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:22 am

we shud get zlatan ibrahimovic he is class got sick skill whizz past anyone and would bag us 20 goals a season at least:p

by **flombs** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:22 am

matrix wrote:
flombs wrote:I dont know if this should have been submitted as a new topic
but...

Here are a couple of links to mull over in regarding Daniel Alves
hopefully coming to Liverpool. I think i may need the help of sabre to interpret the first link.

I quite like the guy, the couple of times i have seen him play
he was good. Maybe Sabre again can shed some light on him.And if he would fit with our style of play.

David Alves (Marca)

David Alves (Sky Sports)

I have also read (on another forum site) that David Alves has
confirmed that he would like to come to Liverpool on Sky Sports.

i would love us to get alves, and i have to say i think its going to happen, unlike benfica with simao, i think seville will make the deal happen...this is rafas number one target according to press reports...lets all hope

Well from what i can tell he prefers to come to us more than
Barca and milan. In the article i think it sais that he has asked to come to us. Thats pretty big :bowdown

He can play RW,RB and RWB sooo very handy.

by **JC_81** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:18 am

bavlondon wrote:Dario Srna looked pretty decnet last night. I didnt see much of his crossing ability but physically he looked able to hold his own against Brazil in a very impressively organised Croatia team that were unlucky not to get a draw.

He really got stuck in to Ronaldinho a few times. He would not cost more than 6 Mil and im sure Rafa has been sniffing around him for some time now.

Are you serious Bav? I thought Srna was awful. As I said on another thread it's maybe harsh to judge him on a night he was up against Roberto Carlos and Ronaldinho down that flank, but defending aside, even in possession he didn't look anything special to me. Then again, that's the first time I've watched him.

by **48-1119859832** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:25 am

kingycrouch wrote:we shud get zlatan ibrahimovic he is class got sick skill whizz past anyone and would bag us 20 goals a season at least:p

I can't see your writing but from the word Zlatan, you want us to sign him? No thanks, I'd rather sicky my dangly bits in a blender.

by **48-1119859832** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:28 am

john craig wrote:
alessandromagno wrote:Got to say that so far, I'm not impressed. If Rafa has a fault (and of course he has many like all of us), it's a tendency to undervalue the individual contribution--and also a Latin quality that he shares with Gerrard Houllier, that involves taking unreasonable likings and dislikings to players not really based on valid football reasons.

What the hell does that paragraph actually mean?

He's basically accusing and saying Rafa doesn't value or respect individual contributions. He also says that Rafa is like Houllier in the sense they both taking likings and dislikings to players for reasons not based on football.

In a small sentence he's basically saying Rafa is trying to force players out of the club (Ged's ones anyway) and is signing relatively unknown players and shaping them into superstars.

by **wee_boi888** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:43 am

If he plays people cos he just likes them, what ever happened to Nando?

Everyone thought they were best mates, and they probably were. But Rafa knew he blew his chance in England and shipped him off to Valencia. Though I still do question the selling of Didi, I think it was an offer made for his interests. If Didi wants to stay as back up purely for the club he is allowed to, but look at the small price tag, it is probably because they will allow him to play elsewhere for more game time.

Where-ever he goes, Didi is a champion, and I'm not too angry at the decision by our management. I hope he stays, but I guess we are paying him back by giving him the chance to play first team football week in and week out for the next year or two.

by **2520years** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:51 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:Cisse...has the footballing brain of a packet of crisps. He has the technique of a washing board, and the attitude of a 2 year-old girl who's had her dolls taken away.

That might be the best, most accurate description of a footballer I've ever heard.
:laugh:

by **Ace Ventura** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:01 pm

john craig wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Dario Srna looked pretty decnet last night. I didnt see much of his crossing ability but physically he looked able to hold his own against Brazil in a very impressively organised Croatia team that were unlucky not to get a draw.

He really got stuck in to Ronaldinho a few times. He would not cost more than 6 Mil and im sure Rafa has been sniffing around him for some time now.

Are you serious Bav? I thought Srna was awful. As I said on another thread it's maybe harsh to judge him on a night he was up against Roberto Carlos and Ronaldinho down that flank, but defending aside, even in possession he didn't look anything special to me. Then again, that's the first time I've watched him.

I also thought Srna had a poor game and was one of Croatia's poorer players on the night.
I have not seen him before, but there is no way he would be good enough as a right midfielder for LFC.
I was pretty impressed with Croatia they used the ball well and but for some poor finishing they could of snatched a draw.
Kovak at the back had a great game and Babic on the left looked decent.

by **stmichael** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:17 pm

yawn at yet another "why haven't we signed anyone yet?" thread.

last year we signed nobody until july. stop worrying ffs

by **Leonmc0708** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:21 pm

alessandromagno wrote:Got to say that so far, I'm not impressed. If Rafa has a fault (and of course he has many like all of us), it's a tendency to undervalue the individual contribution--and also a Latin quality that he shares with Gerrard Houllier, that involves taking unreasonable likings and dislikings to players not really based on valid football reasons.

Now this is a prelude to talk about movement on the transfer market thgis close season--or lack of it! So far, I'm reminded of last year--lots of talk but not much action. Now, it's true that great players at reasonable prices are not exactly hanging off the trees. So why is Rafa so determined to get rid of Cisse and Hamman? Not to mention the repatriation of Morientes. One can understand the repatriation of Moro--but Cisse and Hamman? I think there's a good chance that we wouldn't have won either final over the last two years without the German. What if Sissoko gets injured or loses form?

Finally, why can Newcastle and other teams that never win anything pay money up front, while we seem to be always looking for the cheapest option available. I would believe that part of the explanation for the last question is that this is the way Rafa likes to do business. He likes young players he can mould or little known players who will do a job. He seems uneasy with proven stars like Owen, Gerrard and Hamman.

End of rant. Buy us some quality Rafa--and don't let Hamman go!

I agree, what the fu.ck is Rafa doing buying good young prospects who are hungry for success ?

We should buy more older, money hungry mercenaries !!

by **woof woof !** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:24 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:We should buy more older, money hungry mercenaries !!

Rafa is monitoring Togo .

by **2520years** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:27 pm

There's no rush to sign players. The Premiership season starts on 19th August and our current squad can easily cope with Champions League qualifiers. Also, the transfer window doesn't close until 31st August. We've basically got 2.5 months to sign players. I know it's frustrating when rumours are headlined every day, but that's just paper talk selling papers to gullible people.

However, past experience tells us that Rafa and the board are quite capable of leaving things too late and missing out. My bet would be that they wouldn't make the same mistake twice. Even if there are no new signings until the end of July I wouldn't worry too much.

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