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Bad Bob wrote:

john craig wrote:

stmichael wrote:It is funny but I get the feeling every big club is waiting for Chelsea to end their buying for the summer before they pursue their targets.

I don't think it's so much that as the fact that Chelsea can simply afford to buy players at the start of the summer.  If you think about it, it is unusual for top clubs to go out and make all their buys at the start of the summer and the reason for this is wages.  Especially for the top clubs who are going to be buying top players on pretty high wages, it simply doesn't make financial sense to be paying them for an extra 2 months when they are either on holiday or world cup duty.  Of course this doesn't matter to Chelsea though - five signings already spending over 50 million and two of those - Shevchenko and Ballack are on over a hundred grand a week.  By my calculations Chelsea will have paid a total of over 2 million in wages to these 2 guys alone before they've even kicked a ball for them.  Crazy or what?

But I thought that new players cannot register with their new clubs until July 1st?  If that's the case wouldn't wages only start being paid after July 1st irrespective of when a player signed the contract?

Speedy Gonzalez wrote:

stmichael wrote:Rafa has not made any expensive mistakes (Morientes aside but that wasn't that expensive) so going forward we should be confident we will have the money to get the top players we need. 

I quote the original post from St Michael.

Those figures are misleading to say the least. I bring to all of your attention the following points which are key:

1. The table says "since 1959" for LFC, and have let many players go since then. Wheras Chelsea's spending has been within the past 3 seasons mainly.

2. LFC are 70m in debt, and are paying for players "over 5 years", so cash will surely come to a halt as they try to catch chelsea. we are probably still paying for players bought under houllier (ie: diouf, Heskey, kewell, cisse etc).

3. They still need to find over 100m for a new stadium, having had planning permission for 12 months, and stanley park has not been touched, or a brick laid! where from comes the cash for that? more borrowing.

4. LFC Directors have to sell shares to raise more money. but a lot of the proceeds from that will pay off debts i guess.

5. Rafa thinks we can win the league on the cheap, wheras I dont! with quality players, comes consistency, hence 2 league titles on the trot for chelsea.

6. Houllier bought loads of duds with his 100m+ cash, and LFC is probably still paying for most of those.

7. Chelsea with their money, are buying the cream of the crop in Europe with their cash and spending it wisely, wheras Rafa is speculating with LFC cash and buying "players for the future" , which is risky.

8. I dont think we can win the league with chelsea in the way, unfortunately, and those who think we can are dreamers.

9. LFC have to be as good this season, as last, and that is a big ask.

I made a point once that there are players you can buy out there who will overnight turn you into a title winning side, it just has to be the right quality.

A lot of fans have been scathing at times over the past few years having a dig at players like Heskey, Diao, Diouf, Murphy, Cisse, Kewell, Moreintes, Smicer etc. This is because they are not the players to take us to the next level, wheras your Schevchenkos, Ballacks, Essiens, Makalele's etc indeed are!

It's up to Rafa to bring the right quality in, no one else.

s@int wrote:Chelsea last season bought Essien,SWP,Del Horno £60million+ in total and had a worse season than season before. In my view these were quality signings that would have got more than a game or two for Liverpool yet none of them were what I would judge as a success for Chelsea.Shevchenko, Ballack Kalou and Michels cost £60million+ who's to say they will fair any better. Many of the players that tried so hard when they won their first EPL for Chelsea two years ago will be annoyed upset and looking to move as their first team chances dry up. Some will stay for the money im sure, but will they have the right motivation if and when called into action. Gallas and Crespo are already reaching for the exit door,SWP and Robben dont sound too happy and could be next if you believe the papers. Abramovich has given Chelsea a great ride up but I think there will be a lot of blood and tears on the way down. Personally I cant wait

On a side note, Chelsea have the power in their hands to keep players at the club even against their will. Mourinho sed in an interview that none of his players are up for sale and none of them are going anywhere. In particular he was asked about Drogba's future and his unhappiness and Jose sed "Drogba is a Chelsea player, he has two years left on his contract, he is not negotiable." He also sed that Drogba can show happiness at Chelsea for the remainder of his contract or he'll just leave hom on the bench. Chelsea have that power to keep players against there will and then let them go for nothing and that's what Mourinho's doing. Gallas, Crespo and Drogba all want to leave Stamford Bridge as soon as they can, but they'll have to wait two more years.

0asis wrote:

s@int wrote:Chelsea last season bought Essien,SWP,Del Horno £60million+ in total and had a worse season than season before. In my view these were quality signings that would have got more than a game or two for Liverpool yet none of them were what I would judge as a success for Chelsea.Shevchenko, Ballack Kalou and Michels cost £60million+ who's to say they will fair any better. Many of the players that tried so hard when they won their first EPL for Chelsea two years ago will be annoyed upset and looking to move as their first team chances dry up. Some will stay for the money im sure, but will they have the right motivation if and when called into action. Gallas and Crespo are already reaching for the exit door,SWP and Robben dont sound too happy and could be next if you believe the papers. Abramovich has given Chelsea a great ride up but I think there will be a lot of blood and tears on the way down. Personally I cant wait

On a side note, Chelsea have the power in their hands to keep players at the club even against their will. Mourinho sed in an interview that none of his players are up for sale and none of them are going anywhere. In particular he was asked about Drogba's future and his unhappiness and Jose sed "Drogba is a Chelsea player, he has two years left on his contract, he is not negotiable." He also sed that Drogba can show happiness at Chelsea for the remainder of his contract or he'll just leave hom on the bench. Chelsea have that power to keep players against there will and then let them go for nothing and that's what Mourinho's doing. Gallas, Crespo and Drogba all want to leave Stamford Bridge as soon as they can, but they'll have to wait two more years.

Bad Bob wrote:

Speedy Gonzalez wrote:

stmichael wrote:Rafa has not made any expensive mistakes (Morientes aside but that wasn't that expensive) so going forward we should be confident we will have the money to get the top players we need. 

I quote the original post from St Michael.

Those figures are misleading to say the least. I bring to all of your attention the following points which are key:

1. The table says "since 1959" for LFC, and have let many players go since then. Wheras Chelsea's spending has been within the past 3 seasons mainly.

2. LFC are 70m in debt, and are paying for players "over 5 years", so cash will surely come to a halt as they try to catch chelsea. we are probably still paying for players bought under houllier (ie: diouf, Heskey, kewell, cisse etc).

3. They still need to find over 100m for a new stadium, having had planning permission for 12 months, and stanley park has not been touched, or a brick laid! where from comes the cash for that? more borrowing.

4. LFC Directors have to sell shares to raise more money. but a lot of the proceeds from that will pay off debts i guess.

5. Rafa thinks we can win the league on the cheap, wheras I dont! with quality players, comes consistency, hence 2 league titles on the trot for chelsea.

6. Houllier bought loads of duds with his 100m+ cash, and LFC is probably still paying for most of those.

7. Chelsea with their money, are buying the cream of the crop in Europe with their cash and spending it wisely, wheras Rafa is speculating with LFC cash and buying "players for the future" , which is risky.

8. I dont think we can win the league with chelsea in the way, unfortunately, and those who think we can are dreamers.

9. LFC have to be as good this season, as last, and that is a big ask.

I made a point once that there are players you can buy out there who will overnight turn you into a title winning side, it just has to be the right quality.

A lot of fans have been scathing at times over the past few years having a dig at players like Heskey, Diao, Diouf, Murphy, Cisse, Kewell, Moreintes, Smicer etc. This is because they are not the players to take us to the next level, wheras your Schevchenkos, Ballacks, Essiens, Makalele's etc indeed are!

It's up to Rafa to bring the right quality in, no one else.

10. Speedy "Hustler" Gonzales is a know-nothing former Manc glory-hunter who has now switched his pathetic "allegiance" to Chelsea so that he can salivate (or worse ) over the league's newest crop of mercenary 'gallacticos'.  His "insights" about Liverpool Football Club are put forth purely for the purposes of winding the rest of us true Liverpool fans up. 

If you're so infatuated with Jose's brilliant transfer policy (buy the best in the world no matter what the cost...gee, why didn't Rafa think of that?  He must be a little thick!) why don't you feck off over to the Chelsea boards...I'm sure your brilliance will be thoroughly appreciated by your fellow chavs!  Tw*t!!!   

yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:

0asis wrote:

s@int wrote:Chelsea last season bought Essien,SWP,Del Horno £60million+ in total and had a worse season than season before. In my view these were quality signings that would have got more than a game or two for Liverpool yet none of them were what I would judge as a success for Chelsea.Shevchenko, Ballack Kalou and Michels cost £60million+ who's to say they will fair any better. Many of the players that tried so hard when they won their first EPL for Chelsea two years ago will be annoyed upset and looking to move as their first team chances dry up. Some will stay for the money im sure, but will they have the right motivation if and when called into action. Gallas and Crespo are already reaching for the exit door,SWP and Robben dont sound too happy and could be next if you believe the papers. Abramovich has given Chelsea a great ride up but I think there will be a lot of blood and tears on the way down. Personally I cant wait

On a side note, Chelsea have the power in their hands to keep players at the club even against their will. Mourinho sed in an interview that none of his players are up for sale and none of them are going anywhere. In particular he was asked about Drogba's future and his unhappiness and Jose sed "Drogba is a Chelsea player, he has two years left on his contract, he is not negotiable." He also sed that Drogba can show happiness at Chelsea for the remainder of his contract or he'll just leave hom on the bench. Chelsea have that power to keep players against there will and then let them go for nothing and that's what Mourinho's doing. Gallas, Crespo and Drogba all want to leave Stamford Bridge as soon as they can, but they'll have to wait two more years.

yeah but then those players are hardly going to run through brick walls for the cause are they?
they`ll probably be on the sidelines and in the papers causing unrest and then clique`s start to form amongst the players.
as we found out in the souness days some players in the club arent exactly heartbroken at defeats either, especially if they crank the pressure up on the manager.
i was surprised at mourinho`s hard line because keeping a player who doesnt want to stay can be devastating for the morale of a club.
all good news for the rest of the league if you ask me.

stmichael wrote:just ignore hustler's posts. i can't even be ar$ed banning him anymore because he'll just come back again under some other pathetic username.

teamleader1 wrote:

MilitiaRusher wrote:Great read StMike.

Unfortunate though, Chelsea just splashed about 12 million on Mikel. Pretty positive now that Chelsea's actually buying players so that they can starve other teams.

An even bigger disgrace, will be if (as rumoured) they loan out some of their former MUST have players to other prem outfits,

None of which could turn out against Chelsea of course!

Lets say, SWP was loaned back to city,

City with him will be a bigger threat to the other title contenders, imagine if he helped city snatch an undeserved  draw against us, that could give Chelsea a 2pt advantage.

My opinion on their spending is that, at the moment, they can only influence the 2 prem games they play against us, not the other 36,
But that may change!

A good point that's often overlooked--this could be vital next season.  Incidentally, we almost paid that price in Istanbul with an on-loan Crespo scoring two past us!  Jose would have loved for that first half scoreline to stand...he'd have milked that for months!