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by **account deleted by request** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:50 pm

I watched Mexico in confederations cup they looked good ,but then again Brazil looked incredible. S.American sides dont seem to do that well in Europe (even though their best players all play here)Thats my theory anyway, we will soon see if its any good

by **48-1119859832** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:58 pm

Mexico topped Group B of the Confederations Cup.

They were drawn up against Brazil (World Cup Winners), Japan (No easy team) and Greece (European Champions) and they beat Brazil 1-0, beat Japan 2-1 and drew with Greece 0-0, finished top of the Group with 7 points.

They were unlucky to lose against Argentina on penalties in the Semi finals. And then lost 4-3 to Germany in the Third Place Play off which they could of won and should of won.

by **48-1119859832** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:03 pm

s@int wrote:I watched Mexico in confederations cup they looked good ,but then again Brazil looked incredible. S.American sides dont seem to do that well in Europe (even though their best players all play here)Thats my theory anyway, we will soon see if its any good

I think only Guillermo Franco, Marquez and Borgetti are the only three Mexicans in the Mexican team who play for European clubs, the rest play either in the Mexican leagues, Argentine leagues or somewhere in South America.

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:08 pm

0asis wrote:
s@int wrote:I watched Mexico in confederations cup they looked good ,but then again Brazil looked incredible. S.American sides dont seem to do that well in Europe (even though their best players all play here)Thats my theory anyway, we will soon see if its any good

I think only Guillermo Franco, Marquez and Borgetti are the only three Mexicans in the Mexican team who play for European clubs, the rest play either in the Mexican leagues, Argentine leagues or somewhere in South America.

I hope Franco is better for Mexico than he was for Villareal in the CL semi-final! He was shocking against Arsenal at El Madregal. Had he put one of his chances away, Riquilme's penalty miss might have been a moot point.

by **65-1149024436** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:09 pm

Pauletta.

Just on the basis that they have an easy group.

by **48-1119859832** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:31 pm

I didn't watch the Arsenal semi final, either game for that matter. So I'll take your word on it Bob. Altho from what I've heard and seen of Franco he hasn't exactly set La Liga a blaze. I'd go for Fonseca and Borgetti up top for the World Cup.

by **laza** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:11 am

Dunno about Mexica winning Oasis, the WC is being held in Europe so history except for Brazil in 58 is against a South America team. Though in this day and age with players plying their trade all over Europe that particular hoodoo may not be of any relevance

by **Big Niall** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:00 am

South American teams don't usually do well in Europe, only Brazil 1958 won it, many all European finals too. As top goalscorer is likely (although exceptions) to be from a team that makes semis anyway, I'd go for a centre forward from a European team likely to go far. Horseface might be the man/horse as he has something to prove and will be hoping some top clubs are watching. The dutch are usually attacking too.

by **Ace Ventura** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:59 am

0asis wrote:Ace,

England have a lot of top players but they don't get anywhere. Mexico have top players Fonseca, Bravo, Pardo, Marquez ( as you know) so there is quality in that squad. Mexico have a much better chance than England at winning the World Cup. Mexico have top players, Mexico have the right attitude and right mentality that can deliever them the cup.

People can write Mexico off till the cows come home, it's no secret that the Mexicans thrive when they are branded under-dogs. They're the team to watch this World Cup.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that they will win it but they have a much better chance than a few teams that are being branded favourites. If you're basing your views on friendles, I wouldn't bother, it's no secret that Mexico tinker and experiement with new players in friendlies, friendlies don't bother them.

It will be interesting to see how they fair this World Cup. But as I said on their day they are unbeatable. The burning question is, will it be their day everyday throughout the WC?

England have far better players than Mexico, that is without a doubt, Mexico's qualifying group is always dog poo thats why they are consistently at the finals.
But never once have they looked like doing it. They performed quite well at the last world cup but were still nowhere near to going all the way.
England might blow it again, but how many times in major tournaments have we gone out on penalties ?
The last world cup we were out played by 10 man Brazil but in the heat and humidity and with a half fit player (Beckham) on the pitch that would of been a major factor.
I am confident England will go further than Mexico and if they were to face them would deffo come out on top.
Rooney is injured but even without him we have players of the calibre of Gerrard Owen Beckham Terry and the Coles, there is quality all of the field, players playing for the top sides in Europe.
With the competition being in Europe it makes me feel Mexico will struggle further.
I could be well off the mark with this and biased but thats my opinion.

by **48-1119859832** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:03 pm

Yeah you have a point and most European teams don't do well in the hotter climates but you know Germany did get to final in Japan 2002. Brazil, Argentina and Mexico got to the latter stages of last years Confederations cup which was held in Germany, so I think that the bridge is closing in terms of that.

It will be interesting to see how the South American teams fair this WC.

Just out of interest is Jan Kromkamp in the Holland Squad?

by **dawson99** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:21 pm

i dont think he is oasis, but i could be wrong... stam not there either.

are u fom oasis because u dont seem to be very patriotic. for what its worth i rate mexico, and also think it will be an argy/brazil final. football is too global now so to say a south american team wont win it is naieve but england do have a good chance with the players they have barring injuries

by **48-1119859832** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:25 pm

Ace Ventura wrote:England have far better players than Mexico, that is without a doubt, Mexico's qualifying group is always dog poo thats why they are consistently at the finals.
But never once have they looked like doing it. They performed quite well at the last world cup but were still nowhere near to going all the way.
England might blow it again, but how many times in major tournaments have we gone out on penalties ?
The last world cup we were out played by 10 man Brazil but in the heat and humidity and with a half fit player (Beckham) on the pitch that would of been a major factor.
I am confident England will go further than Mexico and if they were to face them would deffo come out on top.
Rooney is injured but even without him we have players of the calibre of Gerrard Owen Beckham Terry and the Coles, there is quality all of the field, players playing for the top sides in Europe.
With the competition being in Europe it makes me feel Mexico will struggle further.
I could be well off the mark with this and biased but thats my opinion.

England probably do have better players than Mexico, not going to deny that, but Mexico play like a team and not individuals. Most of the Mexican players have never been heard of before. Doesn't mean to say they're not a good set of players. But at the end of the day it's about working as a unit, not as individuals and England look far superior on paper, but that doesn't mean they are on the pitch.

You brand Mexico's group as being poor, you're right it was but then again England's group wasn't exactly difficult, so that argument doesn't wash at all. At the end of of it all you can only beat what's put in front of you .

Mexico have changed a lot over the past four years, they are a lot stronger as a team then what they were in that World Cup. Whether they are able to go further this time remains to be seen as I say they can be hit and miss at times.

As you say England have much better players than Mexico so they should be able to get thru matches if they fall into the dreaded penalty shoot outs. It's funny how teams like Portugal etc have absolutely no problems taking penalties yet England do. And more excuses heat and humidity, these players trained for a few weeks in the heat of Japan, they should of adjusted to it, Germany did, and Germany has a much cooler climate than in England. I'll agree England were outplayed in the second half, that's because they allowed themselves to be dominated.

England have the potential to go further than Mexico in the World Cup doesn't mean they will. A fair few of England's players have mixed it up with some of Europe's finest, on paper they look far superior but football's not played on paper, it's played on the pitch so again there's a 50% chance of England beating Mexico.

As I said England havea great set of individual talent, if England can work together as a unit they have a good chance of doing well, but they must show the right mentality and attitude to do well. Mexico have Fonseca, Andres Guardado, Jared Borgetti, Marquez and Sanchez, so the Mexicans have a good set of players who work as a unit and play some outstanding and exciting football.

Fair enough thats your opinion, nothing wrong with that and England have a great chance as long as the players have the right mentality, attitude and don't lose bottle in big matches and penalty shoot outs and the same applies to Sven, he must not be too cautious in this tournament.

by **48-1119859832** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:30 pm

dawson99 wrote:i dont think he is oasis, but i could be wrong... stam not there either.

are u fom oasis because u dont seem to be very patriotic. for what its worth i rate mexico, and also think it will be an argy/brazil final. football is too global now so to say a south american team wont win it is naieve but england do have a good chance with the players they have barring injuries

Oh right, I thought Kromkamp would of been selected.

I'm from England and I'd love to see England win it and of course I'll back them all the way, I just think Sven hasn't picked the strongest England squad and I also feel that Sven is a very incompetent manager. He uses a continental style of play with a set of English players and it doesn't work. Also we play boring football as well. When I watch teams like Sweden, Holland, Mexico, Brazil and Argentina you know the matches will be full of entertainment, you watch England and it's highly boring. Not to mention there are idiots who refuse to support certain players because they play for Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and so on.

by **dawson99** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:32 pm

i was wondering oasis, what id do if gary neville neville scored a winning goal in the later rounds, would i cheer? i honestly dont know if i could.
and u r too right about sven being incompetent. its almost as if he knows who he wants to take, even if they died theyd be on the plane... he has no ability to stir things up

by **48-1119859832** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:39 pm

I have no problem supporting Gary Neville, Frank Lampard, John Terry, Rio Ferdinand, even if I think they aren't good enough to be in the England squad. Like Neville or loathe him he is a dedicated player to Man Utd. He's a loyal player to them and good on him. People have to accept that not everyone can play for one club they support. When it comes to International tournaments it's a different ball game every player is an England player for that month or so. They are all representing your country and it's highly immature not to support them. I don't know maybe I'm not a die hard Liverpool fan for not hating the likes of Rio and Neville, Lampard and Terry but they are England players, so I'm behind them.

Sven's very defensive and cautious as well and you can't be too defensive against teams like Brazil because they will punish you. Altho saying that England could punish them on the counter attack, but England need to have a steady balance of defence and attack and need to be able to turn defence to attack in a blink of an eye, vice versa.

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