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Postby redmikey » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:02 pm

Dawson , defending cissie must be like defending dr shippman, you know he's got talent but he uses it in all the wrong ways!!!

he played well against a poor wba team, i have seen enough of him to know that he will never fit into rafa's style of football.

i never enjoy slagging off lfc players but him and traore are'nt good enough and you are the weakess link  GOODBYE :angry:
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Postby redmikey » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:05 pm

Graeme Noble wrote:Cisse is better than Crouch, full stop.

People who think otherwise are idiots and don't understand football.

your a fecking idiot... crouch has a first and second touch, leads the line well is unselfish and works his nuts off for the team..

i hope your a wind up merchant and not a liverpool fan because you would give us a bad name talkin sh'ite all the time :angry:
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Postby Bad Bob » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:14 pm

Graeme Noble wrote:Cisse is better than Crouch, full stop.

People who think otherwise are idiots and don't understand football.

Beautifully argued, with abundant evidence in support of your principled and well-reasoned position...I humbly stand most corrected--Cisse is incontrovertibly better than Crouch.  Touche!









Pathetic.  :no
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Postby Judge » Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:35 am

redmikey wrote:
Graeme Noble wrote:Cisse is better than Crouch, full stop.

People who think otherwise are idiots and don't understand football.

your a fecking idiot... crouch has a first and second touch, leads the line well is unselfish and works his nuts off for the team..

i hope your a wind up merchant and not a liverpool fan because you would give us a bad name talkin sh'ite all the time :angry:

say it how it is mikey  :D

It was a shame when cisse broke his leg, nonetheless, after a lot of patience, cisse is just not in the lfc mould and leaves me frustrated with his cack shots when invariably go sky high. There is someone who i know who is blind and he couldve scored from most of the positions that cisse has found him self in.

im sorry, but he needs to go
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Postby Ace Ventura » Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:01 am

Bad Bob wrote:[
I know I just responded to a similar point from the Madman in the Bolton thread with these same comments below but I thought them worth repeating here in the main Cisse thread because I think his above quoted argument needs to be put into perspective...

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For the record, while Cisse may have 5 more goals than Crouch to date, what really matters is the context of those goals...

For instance, 4 of Cisse's 17 goals came against TNS and FBK Kaunas in the CL qualifiers--not exactly stiff competition.  He scored 2 more against Anderlecht, the weakest team in our CL group by a country mile.  Another 2 of his goals were penalties (Birmingham and Newcastle)--well taken to be sure but the odds were on him scoring.  And, his FA Cup goal against Birmingham--Liverpool's 7th on the night--was the very definition of  a soft goal.  Several others of his have also added to the tally late on, when the match was largely already won.  A picture seems to be emerging...

(To be fair, Cisse's goals did win us the Supercup against CSKA Moscow.  His free kick was also the difference in our home win over Blackburn and he did create Robbie's goal (one of 3 assists this season) and score one of his own against WBA.)

Compare this to Crouch's goals.  Of the 12 he's scored this season (never mind the Dubious Goals Committee's deliberations) several have been vital.  He won us the game against Wigan (H), WBA (H) and, of course, against Man U in the FA Cup (incidently, the last time the Mancs dropped points in all competitions).  He's also chipped in with important goals at important times: his 2 against Birmingham in the FA Cup, ended the game as a contest and he scored the all-important opening goals against Everton (A) and Newcastle (A).  Plus, he's got five assists to go with his 12 goals.

And, in the category of match-winning goals, both Cisse and Crouch are tied with 4 this season.

So my (admittedly long-winded) point is that it is not simply a matter of number of goals scored, but rather a matter of the importance of the goals to the match in question.  In this respect, Crouch edges it for me. 

And, this is in addition to the larger point--made by numerous knowledgeable posters on this forum--that Crouch's all-round game offers so much more to the team than Cisse's.  So, count the goals all you want but Crouch is still a better Liverpool player than Cisse is by a good long way.

Wasn't the goal in the Portsmouth game from wide on the right a cross as well ?
It wasn't a shot anyway.
LiverpoolMadman will blindly back Cisse as he has for months.
Any fan that knows anything about football can see that besides pace he offers nothing, and the most annoying thing is, he doesnt even utilise his only strength properly. With his first touch and control being so poor most of the time his pace takes him clear of a player he loses control and posession.
He isn't a right winger (despite the WBA game) its pretty obvious that Rafa gives him the odd chance there to rotate the squad and because there isn't really any decent options.
I've said it before and i will again, he is an international footballer that cannot do a basic one two, the ball into his feet doesnt often stick and be passed back to a red shirt.
And tbh thats shocking, that should be the first thing a kid is taught imo.
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Postby 66-1112520797 » Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:46 am

Ace, firstly I would like to apologise for my outburst aimed at you yesterday.

Secondly we are in need of a possible two strikers in the summer in my opinion, room needs to be made and Cisse along with Morientes will probably need to make way.
Neither of them have really set the prem alight and it's time for Rafa to get ruthless.

I did say Morientes could still become a quality signing, but he needs a lot more time me thinks to adapt, I could see him becoming a Sheringham type of player.
But whatever Rafa has in store I'd say Cisse's time is up all baring a good offer.
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Postby puroresu » Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:53 am

Cisse was not playing in the same role v WBA.  v West Brom he was more like a outside right or 3rd striker.  He wasnt stuck on the byeline and had the freedom to move more central.

I am not going to try and say Cisse was good on Saturday as he wasnt however it still doesnt change the fact he isnt a RW.
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Postby 48-1119859832 » Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:58 am

puroresu,

It's not the fact that he can't play wide right that annoys people, it's the simple fact that he can't play football that annoys people. What annoys me even more is the fact we paid £14million for that joke when for the same price you could get two strikers who are much better or one striker like Jermain Defoe.

Cisse's first touch is poor, his ball control is poor, his intelligence is about as good as George Bush's and his vision is poor!

I really want to see Cisse do well and become a good player for us but he's ©rap and can't get the basics right so he won't be.
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Postby Ace Ventura » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:01 am

Bamaga man wrote:Ace, firstly I would like to apologise for my outburst aimed at you yesterday.

Secondly we are in need of a possible two strikers in the summer in my opinion, room needs to be made and Cisse along with Morientes will probably need to make way.
Neither of them have really set the prem alight and it's time for Rafa to get ruthless.

I did say Morientes could still become a quality signing, but he needs a lot more time me thinks to adapt, I could see him becoming a Sheringham type of player.
But whatever Rafa has in store I'd say Cisse's time is up all baring a good offer.

Dont worry about it mate, all heat of the moment stuff like thats forgotten about.
With regards to Morientes i can see your point because he is capable of moments of pure quality and can spot a pass.
I think his time is up though tbh, he hasnt adapted to the pace or more importantly imo the physical nature of the Premiership.
If someone stands off him he can hurt teams, but too many managers have him worked out and know that if they get him closed down right away, he doesnt want to know.
I think and hope tbh that both Morientes and Cisse are elsewhere next season.
I would be happy with one top striker coming in and Pongolle being recalled.
Defoe or Bellamey would be ideal imo.
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Postby puroresu » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:13 am

0asis wrote:puroresu,

It's not the fact that he can't play wide right that annoys people, it's the simple fact that he can't play football that annoys people. What annoys me even more is the fact we paid £14million for that joke when for the same price you could get two strikers who are much better or one striker like Jermain Defoe.

Cisse's first touch is poor, his ball control is poor, his intelligence is about as good as George Bush's and his vision is poor!

I really want to see Cisse do well and become a good player for us but he's ©rap and can't get the basics right so he won't be.

Thats where you ane me differ.  I see a player that was touted as one of Europe's Hottest strikers but since moving to Liverpool is a shadow of that former self.  People may go on about the French league all they want but the fact is the league is still very technical and the Cisse I watched at Axuerre had a decent 1st touch, good movement, and played well with his teamates.  Kapo being one of them!!  Anyone who thinks Cisse just chased after the ball at Axuerre clearly knows nothing and never saw them play!!

Now at Liverpool his had the injury and this season has just been stop, start and he knows he isnt backed by the Manager.  He hasnt suddenly forgot how to play, but his game is effected by something and many factors have played there part. Liverpool may need to get rid but on the flip side Cisse needs to leave for his own career.

As for Defoe.  How anyone can think his the answer is beyond me.  Tottenham fans have no problem with defoe not playing as his greedy and not only does Keane score more goals but his overall game is better.

Defoe has started 18 games and started the 1st 14 at Spurs and wasnt doing the business. His overated.
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Postby 48-1119859832 » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:20 am

Defoe maybe over-rated somewhat but at least he can find the net on more occasions than not and at least he shows some intelligence in his game. People who defend Cisse always bring up his auxerre days and yes whilst he was indeed a good player there it doesn't automatically mean he's gonna be good in the English league. When he came to Liverpool the slate was wiped clean, just like every other player that is bought by us.

The fact is Cisse can't handle it in the English league and he too is somewhat over-rated because when we strongly linked with him he was described as a good player with a great techincal gift and a twenty goals a season man, whilst he'ss cored 15 this season, he has shown no gift in the techincal area of his game, and hell I'd even say DJ Campbell's a better player than Cisse.
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Postby puroresu » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:25 am

0asis wrote:Defoe maybe over-rated somewhat but at least he can find the net on more occasions than not and at least he shows some intelligence in his game. People who defend Cisse always bring up his auxerre days and yes whilst he was indeed a good player there it doesn't automatically mean he's gonna be good in the English league. When he came to Liverpool the slate was wiped clean, just like every other player that is bought by us.

The fact is Cisse can't handle it in the English league and he too is somewhat over-rated because when we strongly linked with him he was described as a good player with a great techincal gift and a twenty goals a season man, whilst he'ss cored 15 this season, he has shown no gift in the techincal area of his game, and hell I'd even say DJ Campbell's a better player than Cisse.

Yes however I'm not just talking about goals.  The Cisse I see today is nothing like the player who was at Axuerre.  Even the Cisse I see play for France seems far more confident and happy than the one I see in a Liverpool shirt.

Oh and Defoe's record actually shows someone who has never been prolific.
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Postby 48-1119859832 » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:37 am

puroresu wrote:Oh and Defoe's record actually shows someone who has never been prolific.

He'd be a vast improvement on Cisse, altho just to set the record str8 I'd much rather we signed Bellamy.  :;):

And before you shoot me down, Bellamy not been the most prolific either but there's more to strikers/forwards game then just scoring.
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Postby bng89 » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:41 am

Why don't while we are at it buy the best striker in the world and ronaldinho? Simple
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Postby 48-1119859832 » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:42 am

bng89 wrote:Why don't while we are at it buy the best striker in the world and ronaldinho? Simple

You got £100million to lend Liverpool then?  :laugh:
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