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by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:08 am

Espionage wrote:Kewell earned the attention that Rafa gave him, Rafa obviously saw an attitude, a player that was worth the effort. Rafa likes footballers, he likes watching beautiful football with movement and intelligence. Cisse is a player with little football brains that knows where the goal is. He can score goals, but if we focus are team around him what would happen? In the premier league/champions league we may have Cisse scoring his 15-20 goals a season but at what cost? maybe a few more than Crouch can do but Crouch brings more.
Also why do people insist that he has not been given a fair go? Rafa hasnt given him a chance as striker?
To these people I ask this. What do you think training is for? Rafa watches him everyday play every day. You think that he hasnt given him a chance to play striker in training?
Have you ever considered that Cisse is a better RM than he is striker(in our system, regardless of players competing for positions)?

If you think that Rafa should abandon his grand master plan and hop on the quick-fix-one-way-Cisse-train to mediocrity than bad luck. Rafa will not let this happen to LFC

YNWA

Spot on.

by **2520years** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:47 am

According to the Mail, Djibril Cisse, Florent Sinama-Pongolle, Djimi Traore and Anthony Le Tallec will be leaving Liverpool in the summer. If that was to happen we'd need a striker with pace to give Rafa his beloved 'options'...Jermaine Defoe has got pace.
(BTW I hope they're right about Djimi!)

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:57 am

maybe a few more than Crouch can do but Crouch brings more.

bring more what

Again and again ... I have been telling you all ( ppl who hate Cisse ). As a striker, his job is to score GOALS .... short and simple.

Now these ppl talking about his attitude. Good attitude wont give you title but score goals and defends well might win a title ....

by **48-1119859832** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:03 am

LiverpoolMadman wrote:Good attitude wont give you title but score goals and defends well might win a title ....

No it doesn't bring you a title but it brings you respect, we've all moaned when Neville celebrated in front of us but then Cisse goes and does it to Newcy fans. Is that acceptable? Even if he did score us twenty goals a season? Do you condone that type of unprofessional behaviour?

Fact is Cisse can't score unless it's from the penalty spot, the amount of times he should of just placed it instead of blasting it with all his might is reaching a six pair of hands. It's plain crazy - £14million pounds for a striker that toe-punts the ball, it takes some of the glamour off Drogba doesn't it?

And Dj'ing at 1am in the morning isn't professional behaviour is it? Also giving a 15 yr old a clout around the head isn't exactly acceptable behaviour either is it?

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:14 am

No it doesn't bring you a title but it brings you respect, we've all moaned when Neville celebrated in front of us but then Cisse goes and does it to Newcy fans? Is that acceptable?

I saw those two matches.... As for the Neville. The way he celebrate the last minute goal is wrong, can cause "riot" and its seem that he provoked the FANs from Liverpool . That's way FA have to "fine" him ....

but as for Cisse case .... its the other way around .... the Toons Fan provoked him instead. And that why FA take NO ACTION against Cisse ....

by **48-1119859832** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:24 am

I don't believe for one second that Liverpool fans didn't provoke some of the United players, it's a derby match and they are considered our arch-nemesis if you like, there's always two sides to every story. But I agree it was a bad and very unprofessional act on Neville's part and it's made me despise the mini cretin even more.

As for Cisse, he should learn to ignore it, after all he's supposed to be a professional player and he should concentrate on the match, not what the Newcy fans were doing towards him. He should take a leaf out of Crouch's book and ignore it, rise above up and get on with the game in hand.

Whether or not it was frowned upon and fined by the F.A doesn't mean anything in my eyes, it's the principle of it and how Rafa wants us to show a certain degree of respect for the opposition and that includes the fans of the oppositions, no matter how much of an (a)rse they are.

by **7_Kewell** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:47 pm

I think some people forget that Rafa watches Cisse train everyday....he's been given his chances (in training and in the 1st team) and he simply doesn't pull his weight when it comes to team play. Hopefully he'll bag some goals from now until the season ends and we can try and get half our money back....the ghost of Houllier's legacy comes back to haunt us yet again!

by **The Ace1983** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:45 pm

If he plays every week like he did against the baggiess, I'd maybe persist until Jan, but I just can't see it happening. It was an inferior side, but his pace worked wonderfully.

by **7_Kewell** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:58 pm

The Ace1983 wrote:If he plays every week like he did against the baggiess, I'd maybe persist until Jan, but I just can't see it happening. It was an inferior side, but his pace worked wonderfully.

their defence was awful....normally the likes of Manure and Chelski suss Cisse out in 5 mins.

by **48-1119859832** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:52 pm

7_Kewell,

With all respects to Cisse that's not difficult. He gets the ball and runs with it up the pitch, there's no awareness, vision, suitable level of creativity on his part, his on the ball control is generally poor. And when he doesn't have the ball he doesn't get into good positioning, he doesn't link up play or give the opposition a hard time.

The lad's a shambles.

by **stmichael** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:01 pm

I don't think Cisse has done enough during his time here to deserve to stay, but by the same token he's hardly been given the same chances to prove himself as Morientes has. I've defended him for a while because, in spite of how erratic he can be, and as poor as his touch normally is, he still offers more of a goal threat than any of our other strikers.

As I've said all along though, we need to get rid of players like Morientes and Cisse if we're to progress to the next level and truly challenge Chelsea next season.

by **7_Kewell** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:45 pm

stmichael wrote:I don't think Cisse has done enough during his time here to deserve to stay, but by the same token he's hardly been given the same chances to prove himself as Morientes has. I've defended him for a while because, in spite of how erratic he can be, and as poor as his touch normally is, he still offers more of a goal threat than any of our other strikers.

As I've said all along though, we need to get rid of players like Morientes and Cisse if we're to progress to the next level and truly challenge Chelsea next season.

in my opinion, we need to buy2 class strikers for next season.

by **Rushie** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:51 pm

[B] How much would we get for Cisse? And would it be worth taking? (Many may be reluctant to pay much for him bearing in mind the injury he suffered). A swap deal involving Defoe would be interesting but if we're not going to get much for Cisse i'd keep him for another season!
I'm not Cisse's biggest fan but i think some criticism of him can be harsh.
I don't want to cover old ground but he did suffer that horrendous injury and did really well to recover so soon and despite his obvious flaws this season he has still managed to score goals. However, as has been mentioned, it doesn't look like Benitez wants to keep Cisse but i think that if he does he should give him a consistent run in the team in his favoured position and then we can see if he really is up to it or not. I don't think that this would be detrimental to the current team as Cisse is more a threat than Morientes for me. In short, i think a season in and out of the first team (mostly in an unfavoured position) isn't enough to make an overall judgement on a player who hardly played at all the season before and let's not forget, Thierry Henry hardly set the world alight in his first few seasons in the Premiership. (Not to compare Henry with Cisse because the same could be said of a lot of players).

by **Bad Bob** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:57 pm

Rushie wrote:[B] How much would we get for Cisse? And would it be worth taking?

There's one potential buyer out there who I'm sure we could convince to pay a hefty fee for Djibril...

Stand up and be counted Houllier--you broke the bank for him once...time to ante up again!

(Hell, maybe we could throw in Diao and 'Zinedine Cheyrou' to sweeten the pot for him!)

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:01 pm

Its seem alot of ppl want Cisse to go. As for me I want Cisse to be in Liverpool but if Rafa wants to get rid him, he better buy someone better then Cisse and Mori.

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