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by **Poolinc.** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:19 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:Shut up you tart.

Pepe is miles better than Dudek, and doesn't have the wobbles the Pole does.

Get real you punk.

Always a great pleasure to have a debate with mature, informed, intelligent fans, with such valid, researched, articulate replies..... :no

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:55 pm

0asis wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
Poolinc. wrote:I've seen nothing from Pepe for me to believe he is a better keeper than Dudek! What do you guys think? I know Jerzey made mistakes, but his double save from Shevsheko was unbelieveable!

Shut up you tart.

Pepe is miles better than Dudek, and doesn't have the wobbles the Pole does.

Get real you punk.

Must you always resort to petty name calling to argue your points? It's not big, it's not clever and sure as hell isn't witty.

Yes.

I answer questions according to the context in which they were set.

Shall I request written permission from you in future, Mein Fuhrer?

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:57 pm

Poolinc. wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Shut up you tart.

Pepe is miles better than Dudek, and doesn't have the wobbles the Pole does.

Get real you punk.

Always a great pleasure to have a debate with mature, informed, intelligent fans, with such valid, researched, articulate replies.....

Don't mention it. :rasp

Seriously though - it is OBVIOUS you posted this topic in order that you may incite such replies.

If you don't want abuse, don't post sh*t.

Get it? :;):

by **woof woof !** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 4:12 pm

I think overall Reina generates more confidence than Dudek . He is however far from being the finished article . He certainly positions himself well and shows great anticipation ,is very fast onto through balls and as we have often seen is quick to launch intelligent balls to our players . I do however feel that his ability on dealing with crosses is not all that it could be . He often flaps at balls banged in from corners occasionally he seems to get "lost" in a crowded box .

I would pick him ahead of Dudek but my margins between the two keepers are not as wide as some in here seem to have set . I think the biggest difference between the pair is confidence . Reina seems to have it , Dudek seems not to . In terms of LFC legends Dudek already is one if only for that night in Istanbul . Reina still has a long way to go .

by **Liverpool 4 EVA** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 5:56 pm

but my margins between the two keepers are not as wide as some in here seem to have set. I think the biggest difference between the pair is confidence . Reina seems to have it , Dudek seems not to . In terms of LFC legends Dudek already is one if only for that night in Istanbul . Reina still has a long way to go

I think you're very wrong, in fact I can't believe we are actually debating this because there is quite frankly, no contest.

If we where to make an abilities chart, ie, speed = 10, distribution = 10, shot stopping, etc, Reina would absolutely MURDER Dudek in ever single department.

I can't think of one thing that makes Dudek unique or stand out, I can think of a few when it comes to Reina.

The gulf in talent is ENORMOUS, and there is also a 10 years difference....Very impressive indeed.

by **RedorDead** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:11 pm

I think they are both excellent keepers. Jerzy Dudek is a top shot stopper and has great agility. Reina is high on confidence and has also proven to be a very good goalkeeper. I think the problem for Dudek is that he made some very high profile mistakes which lost us games and as a result he was always going to find it hard to establish that authority in the box again. Reina has yet to err in such a costly fasion and until he does or gets injured Dudek will be warming the bench.
I will add that Jerzy will always be considered a bit of an Anfield hero though for his performance on 25th May last year

by **48-1119859832** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:31 pm

Liverpool 4 EVA wrote:The gulf in talent is ENORMOUS, and there is also a 10 years difference....Very impressive indeed.

This has to be the biggest load of (B)ullshit I've had to read on this forum so far. There isn't an enormous gulf in class between the keepers. Dudek has just made a few mistakes that have been costly and notably against our arch-rivals so that's why he's getting stick. Reina has yet to make a costly mistake and as I said before it comes down to who you feel more comfortable with in goal.

Both keeper's are good shot stoppers and can pull off a great save when they least expect it, but I'd say Reina is betta at organising his defence and commanding his box, whether that makes Reina a betta keeper, I don't know...but it's impressive nonetheless.

by **Liverpool 4 EVA** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:12 pm

0asis wrote:
Liverpool 4 EVA wrote:The gulf in talent is ENORMOUS, and there is also a 10 years difference....Very impressive indeed.

This has to be the biggest load of (B)ullshit I've had to read on this forum so far. There isn't an enormous gulf in class between the keepers. Dudek has just made a few mistakes that have been costly and notably against our arch-rivals so that's why he's getting stick. Reina has yet to make a costly mistake and as I said before it comes down to who you feel more comfortable with in goal.

Both keeper's are good shot stoppers and can pull off a great save when they least expect it, but I'd say Reina is betta at organising his defence and commanding his box, whether that makes Reina a betta keeper, I don't know...but it's impressive nonetheless.

YAWN

You a comedian by any chance? :laugh:

You must live in a time machine lad.

At this moment in time, Reina is FAR better than Dudek.

The above isn't even an opinion, it's a FACT.

Stop living in the past lad.

P.s, what does BETTA mean?

by **sophe_lfc_4_lyf** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:16 pm

reina is alot better.. i no dudek did realli realli gud in the final ov champz league wiv hat double save n then saving the peno's but reina hasnt conceded as many goals

by **Effes** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:28 pm

john craig wrote:The one area Reina fails to totally convince me in is shot stopping. Never once this season has he made a save that I've thought - 'he had no right to save that'.

His save from Sinclair at home to Man City.

You cant judge a keeper by his brilliant saves - but you can by their mistakes. Jerzy made too many.

I think goalkeeping is one of those fine arts where if they are any good then they make the job look easy.

This is due to things like positioning and communication with the back four - in this Reina is way ahead of Dudek.
He works on this in training much more than any other goalie.

I bet my bottom dollar Pepe will remain Liverpool's number 1 choice while he is still here.

by **sophe_lfc_4_lyf** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:39 pm

yer that is a gud poitn actualy:;):

by **Liverpool 4 EVA** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:41 pm

Effes wrote:His save from Sinclair at home to Man City.

BANG, THANK YOU!!

I have been racking my brains trying to remember which recent game that amazing save was from.

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:42 pm

Poolinc. wrote:I've seen nothing from Pepe for me to believe he is a better keeper than Dudek! What do you guys think? I know Jerzey made mistakes, but his double save from Shevsheko was unbelieveable!

I don’t think that many will argue against Reina being better than Dudek but the margins are not as large as some people make out.

Reina has excellent footwork, I would go as far as to say the best in the Premiership, and he is decisive in his decisions. But for me he lacks genuine height and upper body strength that sometimes allows players jumping with him to knock him off balance. Don’t get me wrong, he has decent height and is strong enough but not what you would expect from a world class keeper. And too many times he doesn’t get to the ball when he come off his line when the penalty box is crowded.

He is very much from the Spanish mould of keepers that attack anything that is in the box and prefer to punch rather than catch. He is definitely a step up from Dudek but isn’t world class. I am reasonably happy with him now after having initial reservations, I have learned that he is a different type of keeper from what I normally like but have learned to appreciate his type of keeping, for all his bad points he brings plenty of positives.

If I had to rate the keepers in the Premiership, it would be something like this:

Cech
Robinson
Van Der Sar /Lehmann
Reina/Given

by **Poolinc.** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:49 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
Poolinc. wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Shut up you tart.

Pepe is miles better than Dudek, and doesn't have the wobbles the Pole does.

Get real you punk.

Always a great pleasure to have a debate with mature, informed, intelligent fans, with such valid, researched, articulate replies.....

Don't mention it.

Seriously though - it is OBVIOUS you posted this topic in order that you may incite such replies.

If you don't want abuse, don't post sh*t.

Get it?

I posted this topic for discussion and debate, after all, this is a discussion forum!!
I have read many many posts that I disagree with, and many others, that I agree with! Never once have I resolved to replying in an abusive manner to any! I think it's a valid question and worthy of discussion, and I am interested in hearing what others have to say on it, especially those who disagree with me! It's what a discussion forum is all about!
Get it?

???

by **Effes** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:59 pm

Cool Hand Luke wrote:But for me he lacks genuine height and upper body strength that sometimes allows players jumping with him to knock him off balance. Don’t get me wrong, he has decent height and is strong enough but not what you would expect from a world class keeper. And too many times he doesn’t get to the ball when he come off his line when the penalty box is crowded.

There have been times where Pepe has shown these weaknesses.
However, dealing with crosses is the hardest part of keeping.
I suppose every player has a weakness, but with Pepe, you have to remember he's only 23 which is very young for a goalie.

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