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by **The Ace1983** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 10:19 pm

zarababe wrote:Reina always - cos he inspires confidence in the whole team, is so assured and extremely commanding is his area.. the club has the most clean sheets in one sweason now then a certain season in the 1980's when Brucie kept goal..

and most importantly he's absolutely gorgeous ...

Ah, so you're saying that the opposing players are so mesmerized by his beauty that they pull their shots wide?

by **The Ace1983** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 10:35 pm

Just looked up some statistical evidence.

04/05 - 38 games - For: 52/Against: 41
05/06 - 32 games - For: 45/Against: 22

Now of course Dudek isn't to blame for all of this. Kirkland played that season too, and then there's Pellegrino and Josemi to be held accountable too. Even if you work out last season to be only 32 games long, you still get 34 conceded which is just over 1 goal a game. But from these stats, we have to draw the conclusion that Pepe's arrival has improved the defence of the team from the period when Dudek had the No. 1 spot. It's by no means conclusive proof and I have already cited various influences as well as the keeper combined brought these numbers, but there is certainly something in this.

by **48-1119859832** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:16 pm

I think it's all down to who the fan feels more confident with in goal.

Dudek for me is a class keeper when he's on form. There's not much that can get past him when he's full to the brim with confidence. I rate him highly as he showed in his debut season what a class keeper is 'n' you don't lose that ability once you have it. Whilst I hold Dudek in high regard, he doesn't fill me with as much confidence as Pepe Reina does.

When I see Pepe's name on the teamsheet, I am relaxed about the defence n keeper. Becoz Reina commands his box a lot betta than Dudek does. Reina is also a young keeper who has considerable talent for age, so that's another plus point. He can also spent most of game with his hands on hip, kick the odd bit of turf thru sheer bordem & still have the focus, concentration to make a last ditch sav, which is something I sadly can't say about Dudek.

So it's Reina for me.

by **BOODIDDY** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:28 pm

Reina is a much better keeper.

The problem for the best clubs in leagues keepers is that usually they dont do much in a game and are called upon maybe only once or twice in a game. One mistake poor game, bad keeper. Now look at given. A ot of people say he is in the top three keepers in the prem. Me? i disagree. He has moments of lapses and gets a rush of blood many times for newcastle. But pulls off great saves due to the number of shots opponents have against him.

Its hard for us to reallly judge pepe, hes good and isnt get the credit he deserves by the masses (not neccesarily lfc fans) but if he were playing for newcastle then maybe the best in the prem.

by **Kukilon** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:54 pm

Pepe hands down.

by **RUSHIE#9** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:28 am

There isn't really that much for me to add to this argument that hasn't already been said; but for me Pepe Reina IS much more better a keeper than Dudek at the current time. The argument that he hasn't really made any world-class saves isn't really too valid for me because the defence looks so composed and strong in front of him nothing is really getting past them to trouble him too much.This is probably because they feel alot more relaxed nowing that there is somebody so commanding behind them that will mop up anything that gets past them.
One of Reina's biggest asset is his quick decision making and more importantly his starting position. Whenever the ball is launched over the top and gets in behind the defence he is out so quick to mop up the danger and I think this contributes a lot to the defence's good record this season. It would be interesting to know how many goals we've conceded from one on one's with pepe in goal.

Picking up on a point made earlier by TheAce comparing the figures for goals conceded from last season and this season so far it works out to a rough average of 1.08 goals per game last season and 0.68 goals per game so far this season. As you can see from those figures our defensive record has improved by almost 0.5 goals per game (i think - my maths isn't the best so don't have a go if i've dropped a bollok somewhere

).

One final point is i think our goalkeepers stand a better chance of keeping their good form is that they are no longer under the guidance of Joe Corrigan. I feel he had a lot to do with the dodgy keeper problems we've had over the past few years and it seems evident that Reina is thriving under the Spanish national goalkeeping coach (JOSE OCHOTORENA) on a daily basis.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:59 am

Poolinc. wrote:I've seen nothing from Pepe for me to believe he is a better keeper than Dudek! What do you guys think? I know Jerzey made mistakes, but his double save from Shevsheko was unbelieveable!

Shut up you tart.

Pepe is miles better than Dudek, and doesn't have the wobbles the Pole does.

Get real you punk.

by **Reinas No.1 Fan** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 4:01 am

As you can see my name is Dudeks No.1 Fan, however Riena is by far a better goalkeeper even without all the experience Dudek has.

I believe he is able to read the game better than Dudek could and knows when to come to claim the ball, He seems to act like a sweeper in some games. Also I like his ability to handle the ball he can pluck the ball from the air with ease and looks very solid from MOST corners, Also he knows when to punch it and when he punches it he really smacks it (just ask Riise lol).

He is a better keeper than Dudek, safer and gives the defence confidence in his ability something Dudek lacked. He is 10 years younger than Dudek and im sure will only get better with age and experience, I have been more than impressed with him this season considering he is new to the premier league and he is only 23 and especially because he didn't speak much english when he arrived.

In fact I prefer him so much Im going to change my user name to Rienas No.1 Fan if the mods will let me keep my post count

by **Sarge** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:04 am

why the hostility?

we have two outstanding keepers here. it's just that reina is better than dudek IMO but that does not make dudek a lousy keeper.
petr cech and carlo cudicini are another two top class keepers and I do not rate them any lower to one another.

by **48-1119859832** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:33 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
Poolinc. wrote:I've seen nothing from Pepe for me to believe he is a better keeper than Dudek! What do you guys think? I know Jerzey made mistakes, but his double save from Shevsheko was unbelieveable!

Shut up you tart.

Pepe is miles better than Dudek, and doesn't have the wobbles the Pole does.

Get real you punk.

Must you always resort to petty name calling to argue your points? It's not big, it's not clever and sure as hell isn't witty.

by **dawson99** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:36 am

but he is right. in all honesty who on here would say dudek was better? A better question now would be who is better between Reina and Czech as there are more similarities there. Reina has instilled so much belief into the defence of this club its untrue. Altho i will always respect and love dudek for what he did, there are many more moments of bizarroness (forlan anyone?) and reina has been a talisman for us this seasno. (celebrating with garcia anyone)

by **48-1119859832** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:41 am

Dawson,

Whether he is right or not doesn't give him the right to start ruining a good discussion with child like insults. At the moment Reina looks better than Dudek (altho we have hardly seen Dudek this season) It seems as tho ppl are comparing the Dudek of 2002 to 2005 to that of Reina this season and then making the assumption that Reina is betta than Dudek, what happens if someone turns around and then decides to pull out Dudek's 2001/02 goalkeeping record? It's just as good, if not betta than Reina's this season.

That's why I said it's down to who fans feel more comfortable with in goal. For all we know Reina could go to pot next season or the season after, you just never know in football.

However you could argue that Reina for his age is sublime I would agree but even he has made a few blunders just ppl have chosen to over-look Reina's and pick out Dudek's with great cynicalism & scrutany.

by **dawson99** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:43 pm

Everyone picks out peoples past mistakes once they have left.

and yes, lando does have a uniqe way of answering questions sometimes

by **48-1119859832** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:52 pm

[quote="dawson99"][/quote]
Dudek hasn't left tho.

by **dawson99** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:54 pm

he might as well of. lets be honest the guys gone ni the summer. i like him, always have. hes got personality and a great shot stopper.

one thing i do wanna bring up tho is how many 'keepers we go through, and how many still play in the premiership:

reina: Liverpool
Kirkland: WBA
James:Man City
Friedel: Blackburn
Warner: West Ham?
Westerveld: somewhere in the prem

thats just madness isnt it?

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