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by **dawson99** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:20 pm

but biased does come into watching your own team or another stu. u can watch every live game in the world but if u r biased your opinion will be detrimental to the overall hypothesis of the player (what am i on about)
thats why i like the good old opta stats. stats dont lie.

after all this i have no idea what the stats are for sissoko, i'll try and find out lol

by **115-1073096938** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:23 pm

Sissoko will never ever reach the level of player people on hear think he will. You either have it or you don't. At best, he could get to a similar level to what Hamann was, which is very very good, quality infact but he'll never be world class. Anyone who says he "could be" is simply sitting on the fence. He can't, and he won't. Its that simple.

Theres no sitting on the fence, you either have it or you don't. Players don't ever become something they aren't. They don't change there abilities as they grow older. It simply doesn't happen. A kid who's 15 and the best dribbler in the world simply doesn't become a :censored:

dribbler when he makes it as a pro. You develop your skills from day one of kicking a ball. When you're 11 or 12 you don't change your style, your technical attributes have already developed.

by **115-1073096938** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:25 pm

At the end of the day, you're all talking :censored:

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by **stapo1000** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:40 pm

stu_the_red wrote:Sissoko will never ever reach the level of player people on hear think he will. You either have it or you don't. At best, he could get to a similar level to what Hamann was, which is very very good, quality infact but he'll never be world class. Anyone who says he "could be" is simply sitting on the fence. He can't, and he won't. Its that simple.

Theres no sitting on the fence, you either have it or you don't. Players don't ever become something they aren't. They don't change there abilities as they grow older. It simply doesn't happen. A kid who's 15 and the best dribbler in the world simply doesn't become a dribbler when he makes it as a pro. You develop your skills from day one of kicking a ball. When you're 11 or 12 you don't change your style, your technical attributes have already developed.

I disagree. I think Sissoko can become a world class holding midfielder of the calibre of makelele. He already has the ability in terms of tackling and breaking up attacks to match if not even to better makelele. His energy level and fitness are 2nd to none. Makelele definitely has an edge beacause of his experience, reading of the game and ability to keep the ball. You have to remember tho that momo is only 20 and has plenty of time to develop these areas of his game which he will.

by **dawson99** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:47 pm

and i rate hamman higher than viera for the last couple of seasons.

sissoko could be the new viera

and with cheyrou as the new zidane our midfield rocks

by **115-1073096938** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:48 pm

stapo1000 wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:Sissoko will never ever reach the level of player people on hear think he will. You either have it or you don't. At best, he could get to a similar level to what Hamann was, which is very very good, quality infact but he'll never be world class. Anyone who says he "could be" is simply sitting on the fence. He can't, and he won't. Its that simple.

Theres no sitting on the fence, you either have it or you don't. Players don't ever become something they aren't. They don't change there abilities as they grow older. It simply doesn't happen. A kid who's 15 and the best dribbler in the world simply doesn't become a dribbler when he makes it as a pro. You develop your skills from day one of kicking a ball. When you're 11 or 12 you don't change your style, your technical attributes have already developed.

I disagree. I think Sissoko can become a world class holding midfielder of the calibre of makelele. He already has the ability in terms of tackling and breaking up attacks to match if not even to better makelele. His energy level and fitness are 2nd to none. Makelele definitely has an edge beacause of his experience, reading of the game and ability to keep the ball. You have to remember tho that momo is only 20 and has plenty of time to develop these areas of his game which he will.

You're wrong. Its as simple as that. There's no opinion about it, you're just wrong.

by **stapo1000** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:54 pm

stu_the_red wrote:They don't change there abilities as they grow older. It simply doesn't happen. A kid who's 15 and the best dribbler in the world simply doesn't become a dribbler when he makes it as a pro.

So you think we can win the league by fielding 11 ten-year-olds?

by **zarababe** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:59 pm

Stu.. next Liverpool Manager..

when you question the professional judgement of someone like Rafael Benitez, who does not use the term 'potential great midfielder'.. lightly it's time to sit on the fence andwatch may be with a pair of goggles ay ..

by **66-1112520797** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 1:58 am

stu_the_red wrote:Sissoko will never ever reach the level of player people on hear think he will. You either have it or you don't. At best, he could get to a similar level to what Hamann was, which is very very good, quality infact but he'll never be world class. Anyone who says he "could be" is simply sitting on the fence. He can't, and he won't. Its that simple.

Theres no sitting on the fence, you either have it or you don't. Players don't ever become something they aren't. They don't change there abilities as they grow older. It simply doesn't happen. A kid who's 15 and the best dribbler in the world simply doesn't become a dribbler when he makes it as a pro. You develop your skills from day one of kicking a ball. When you're 11 or 12 you don't change your style, your technical attributes have already developed.

To some extent you maybe right, but after that, its no so Black and White. They dont change there abilities, but they can change there game to suit there abilities. The Vierias and Keanes of this world have adapted there game with age. They use there brains in a game just as much as there legs.

With Sissoko and his role in the team, his game doesnt require the technical abilities of the Zidanes and Maradonas in the world. As somebody said else Makelalee is world class at what he does and Didi was, only a season or so ago.
Now Sissoko still may not be at there terms of technical abilitiy with the ball at his feet ete etc. But because he doesnt need to do silky flicks and tricks with the ball he can sharpen up his basic use of the ball in training. Of course, if a player doesnt have the natural ability of the Diego Maradonas of the world he never will have. But that doesnt mean he cant improve on the basics, passing, controlling the ball even shooting etc... After all thats what the Makelalees,Vierias and Hamans game was based on, breaking up play and playing it simple.
Vierias game has more influence in it when going forward and joining in on the attack. Thats down to his stamina and those long legs getting him from box to box, both of which Sissoko has.
If that were true and they could never improve there game , why go to training ? Surely not just to keep fit.
So yes Sissoko still could become a world class player in his position, but as I said before time will tell, because he isnt the finnished article yet.

by **LFC #1** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:29 am

I kind of agree with Stu on this. For me a World class player is someone you build a team around - players like Gerrard, Zidane, Vieira, Ronaldinho, Henry and the Ronaldo of about 6 years ago.

Sissoko could well be a very very good player, and an important member of an all-conquering team. However he'll never be world class, and a guy who can consistently win games for you IMO. Gerrard is already world class and Alonso is not far off IMO. Sissoko is potentially one of the best players in the world at what he does though, and will be an important first team player for many years hopefully, but never world class.

by **66-1112520797** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:34 am

LFC #1 wrote:I kind of agree with Stu on this. For me a World class player is someone you build a team around - players like Gerrard, Zidane, Vieira, Ronaldinho, Henry and the Ronaldo of about 6 years ago.

Sissoko could well be a very very good player, and an important member of an all-conquering team. However he'll never be world class, and a guy who can consistently win games for you IMO. Gerrard is already world class and Alonso is not far off IMO. Sissoko is potentially one of the best players in the world at what he does though, and will be an important first team player for many years hopefully, but never world class.

So can you only be world class if a player consistently wins you games , if so what makes Vieira world class ?

Also where was Vieira when he was twenty-one ?

by **115-1073096938** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:49 am

stapo1000 wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:They don't change there abilities as they grow older. It simply doesn't happen. A kid who's 15 and the best dribbler in the world simply doesn't become a dribbler when he makes it as a pro.

So you think we can win the league by fielding 11 ten-year-olds?

Where did i say that?

by **115-1073096938** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:50 am

zarababe wrote:Stu.. next Liverpool Manager.. when you question the professional judgement of someone like Rafael Benitez, who does not use the term 'potential great midfielder'.. lightly it's time to sit on the fence andwatch may be with a pair of goggles ay ..

Who asked you? Why don't you go and lie to another bloke on here about who you are and send fake pictures of people on the cover of FHM magazine.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:53 am

I think this is all daft, tbh.

WIll he, won't he? Who actually KNOWS?

I personally believe he has the ability to be the best holding/aggressive midfielder in the World. Would this make him a match winner? - No.

Would it make him world class? - Ofcourse. If you are the best at what you do, you MUST be WC.

It doesn't make sense to say otherwise.

by **66-1120597113** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 4:00 am

stu_the_red wrote:At the end of the day, you're all talking .

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