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by **Graeme Noble** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:15 pm

Cisse created half the goals at Fulham, and he helped create Gerrard's goal against the toon. You really are talking :censored:

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by **metalhead** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:26 pm

Graeme Noble wrote:Cisse created half the goals at Fulham, and he helped create Gerrard's goal against the toon. You really are talking !

And didn't Crouch lay off the ball to Gerrard to score? now who is talking :censored:

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by **101-1133031608** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:28 pm

Posted this in the other Cisse thread, but that one died and this seems to be the one going strong, so I will re-post (If you have read it already, sorry, but I don’t care!!).
This for me sums up the Cisse situation as it is right now, and TBH I have nothing to add on the Cisse debate apart from the following……………

Djibril Cisse Is Just Like Ronseal – He Does What It Says On The Tin

So what do I mean by this:

When the first inklings of our interest in Cisse was revealed, a good 18 months before the deal was completed, I began to watch a lot of French football to see what he was like and the progress he was making.
Now the first thing that was apparent was that he scored regularly, but it was also clear to me that he did miss a number of chances, but the thing was, he was getting into positions to get these chances anyway, which I found to be a good sign, and hoped that this would cease as he grew as a player, but the next season (his last in France) was much the same, many chances, many scored, but just as many (if not more!) missed.

Now obviously not everyone here would have been watching Cisse on a regular basis, but we all would have seen compilations of his goals.
Now as someone said earlier, it was clear that most goals were individual efforts, without much build up play.
Which brings me onto Ronseal*
We knew Cisse was a goalscorer, that he had killer pace and acceleration and was quite physically strong with a vicious shot. That is what it had on the tin, so to speak, and he is doing as described on the tin. He uses his pace and regularly fires off those vicious shots (often wild shots as we all know!). So do we REALLY have any cause for complaint?
He is doing what it says on the tin is he not? Well to the extent he can, considering the lack of regular starts of the past few months.

So maybe, the problem stems from us, not reading the instructions on the tin properly.
What I mean by this is, the instructions on the tin may say something along the lines of:
‘For best results, focus the team around Djibril, hit him everytime you can with through balls in between defenders and let his pace take care of the rest’.

Now when he was initially bought by GH, these instructions on the tin would have been followed to a tee. That was the exact way we were playing at the time, regularly hitting long balls for Michael Owen to feed off. And although just a guess, if we had continued in the same way (obviously under GH!) then, he may well have actually done what it said on the tin.

However, the problem is we are not using the given instructions and are trying to get best results, under a different formula. This is not a dig at Rafa in the slightest,because he has his way and will do things his way. That is not a problem, its just plainly obvious now (and I have tried to defend him so many times in the past, so its hard to say now!) that Cisse cannot change his attributes, or really change his style of play to fit into Rafa’s plan. He is only totally lethal, when used as the instructions on the tin stipulate.
My point is, I don’t think we should be as harsh on Djib, as many have been. He has his skills and attributes that make him a good player in his own right, its just that those skills and attributes are not being used and harnessed in the right way, to get the best results.
The tin told us what we would be getting, we knew he didn’t have ‘skill’ like a Garcia for example, we knew he didn’t have the heading ability of a Crespo, we knew he wasn’t a fox in the box like Fowler.
The tin said we were getting, pace, power and goals and who can argue that we haven’t got that?

As for the transfer price, he didn’t set the price, also lets take into account how much GH was willing to pay for Diouf, so £14m for a player wanted ACROSS EUROPE (c’mon Juve and Barca don’t come calling if you have nothing to offer) at the time wasn’t too bad a business, its just that we didnt read the instructions on how to use him.

It was sadly just bad timing, what with Rafa coming in and such. But I am sure if (more likely WHEN) we sell Cisse in the summer, the team buying him, will once again, just like us, know what they are getting, because it says so on the tin, but I think if they actually read the instructions and take heed, then Cisse will undoubtedly flourish.

*For those who may not be from the UK who don’t know what ‘Ronseal’ is:
It is a wood varnish, that had a very simple advert, basically stating that ‘It does what it says on the tin’ and nothing more and nothing less.

by **puroresu** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:28 pm

AlanHansen wrote:
Graeme Noble wrote:LOL! Crouch should be playing for Southampton in the Championship. His only quality is that he can jump up high and head the ball, and he cannot even head the ball well, he's a pile of pish!

And just because he is a nice guy doesn't mean he should be playing for LFC. I don't like his attitude! Whilst Cisse's attitude is a real footballer's attitude!

And how many assists has Crouch had this season?. Cisse is just a run-fast, belt-it-hard merchant, He doesn't have enough in his all-around game, and we don't have players with his attitude at LFC...

I dont think Crouch has had as many assists as Cisse. Some Liverpool fans have actually called Crouch a playmaker which is an insult to the word playmaker. Cisse is talented anyone who thinks a player with no talent can score 22 in 29 one season and 26 in 38 the next season really is dillusional. And if the French League is a league where anyone can score why is nobody else in France is scoring as many goals as Cisse did.

Cisse is a confidence player and when your not backed by your Manager that effects a players confidence.

by **puroresu** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:30 pm

Graeme Noble wrote:LOL! Crouch should be playing for Southampton in the Championship. His only quality is that he can jump up high and head the ball, and he cannot even head the ball well, he's a pile of pish!

And just because he is a nice guy doesn't mean he should be playing for LFC. I don't like his attitude! Whilst Cisse's attitude is a real footballer's attitude!

He cant actually Jump. Remember St Andrews earlier this season where Cisse crossed for Crouch to head the winner and he just couldnt get off the ground!!!

by **Paul C** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:41 pm

puroresu wrote:
Graeme Noble wrote:LOL! Crouch should be playing for Southampton in the Championship. His only quality is that he can jump up high and head the ball, and he cannot even head the ball well, he's a pile of pish!

And just because he is a nice guy doesn't mean he should be playing for LFC. I don't like his attitude! Whilst Cisse's attitude is a real footballer's attitude!

He cant actually Jump. Remember St Andrews earlier this season where Cisse crossed for Crouch to head the winner and he just couldnt get off the ground!!!

Agreed there, compared to Jan Koller who is the same high Crouch isn't a very good header of the ball

, but still a better player than Cisse

by **redmikey** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:54 pm

emitynalooprevil wrote:Posted this in the other Cisse thread, but that one died and this seems to be the one going strong, so I will re-post (If you have read it already, sorry, but I don’t care!!).
This for me sums up the Cisse situation as it is right now, and TBH I have nothing to add on the Cisse debate apart from the following……………

Djibril Cisse Is Just Like Ronseal – He Does What It Says On The Tin

So what do I mean by this:

When the first inklings of our interest in Cisse was revealed, a good 18 months before the deal was completed, I began to watch a lot of French football to see what he was like and the progress he was making.
Now the first thing that was apparent was that he scored regularly, but it was also clear to me that he did miss a number of chances, but the thing was, he was getting into positions to get these chances anyway, which I found to be a good sign, and hoped that this would cease as he grew as a player, but the next season (his last in France) was much the same, many chances, many scored, but just as many (if not more!) missed.

Now obviously not everyone here would have been watching Cisse on a regular basis, but we all would have seen compilations of his goals.
Now as someone said earlier, it was clear that most goals were individual efforts, without much build up play.
Which brings me onto Ronseal*
We knew Cisse was a goalscorer, that he had killer pace and acceleration and was quite physically strong with a vicious shot. That is what it had on the tin, so to speak, and he is doing as described on the tin. He uses his pace and regularly fires off those vicious shots (often wild shots as we all know!). So do we REALLY have any cause for complaint?
He is doing what it says on the tin is he not? Well to the extent he can, considering the lack of regular starts of the past few months.

So maybe, the problem stems from us, not reading the instructions on the tin properly.
What I mean by this is, the instructions on the tin may say something along the lines of:
‘For best results, focus the team around Djibril, hit him everytime you can with through balls in between defenders and let his pace take care of the rest’.

Now when he was initially bought by GH, these instructions on the tin would have been followed to a tee. That was the exact way we were playing at the time, regularly hitting long balls for Michael Owen to feed off. And although just a guess, if we had continued in the same way (obviously under GH!) then, he may well have actually done what it said on the tin.

However, the problem is we are not using the given instructions and are trying to get best results, under a different formula. This is not a dig at Rafa in the slightest,because he has his way and will do things his way. That is not a problem, its just plainly obvious now (and I have tried to defend him so many times in the past, so its hard to say now!) that Cisse cannot change his attributes, or really change his style of play to fit into Rafa’s plan. He is only totally lethal, when used as the instructions on the tin stipulate.
My point is, I don’t think we should be as harsh on Djib, as many have been. He has his skills and attributes that make him a good player in his own right, its just that those skills and attributes are not being used and harnessed in the right way, to get the best results.
The tin told us what we would be getting, we knew he didn’t have ‘skill’ like a Garcia for example, we knew he didn’t have the heading ability of a Crespo, we knew he wasn’t a fox in the box like Fowler.
The tin said we were getting, pace, power and goals and who can argue that we haven’t got that?

As for the transfer price, he didn’t set the price, also lets take into account how much GH was willing to pay for Diouf, so £14m for a player wanted ACROSS EUROPE (c’mon Juve and Barca don’t come calling if you have nothing to offer) at the time wasn’t too bad a business, its just that we didnt read the instructions on how to use him.

It was sadly just bad timing, what with Rafa coming in and such. But I am sure if (more likely WHEN) we sell Cisse in the summer, the team buying him, will once again, just like us, know what they are getting, because it says so on the tin, but I think if they actually read the instructions and take heed, then Cisse will undoubtedly flourish.

*For those who may not be from the UK who don’t know what ‘Ronseal’ is:
It is a wood varnish, that had a very simple advert, basically stating that ‘It does what it says on the tin’ and nothing more and nothing less.

what a long winded way of saying rafa does rate him because he can't change his style of play.

well writen but long winded!!

i would say cissie is more like a Mcdonald's cheese burger

the picture looks exciting but when you open it up they tend to be sh'ite and a bit of a let down, but when your pi;sed you always think that it will be good this time

by **101-1133031608** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:17 pm

So sorry mate, next time I will just use single sentences and leave a gap between each one, so its nice and easy to read!! And I will try and repeat all thats already been said by other posters! I tell you what, I will also try and not actually think about what I am writing, I mean whats the point of that eh?

As for your analogy, so are you saying when Cisse plays, that Rafa has been on the bevvy?? :laugh:

by **redmikey** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:28 pm

calm down dear!!!

i said well scripted......

no traore plays when he been on the ale. it is the only explanation

by **redmikey** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:30 pm

Djibril Cisse's agent expects the player to leave Liverpool in the summer with Tottenham a possible destination.

The Frenchman's future at Anfield has been the subject of speculation for some time as he has struggled to hold down a regular place in Rafa Benitez's plans.

Benitez is widely expected to bring in striking reinforcements next summer as his forwards have misfired this season.

Cisse is expected to be one of the players sacrificed by Liverpool as they look to raise transfer funds for their own spending plans.

The former Auxerre man came close to leaving Liverpool during the January transfer window with the player's representative, Ranko Stoijic revealing Tottenham made a late bid to lure him to White Hart Lane.

Stoijic admitted that Tottenham are still keen on the speedy forward and that Cisse is attracted by a possible move to London.

"A departure is much likely," Stoijic told France Football.

"But Djibril has a very good relationship with the fans, and everyone at the club, so he doesn't want to question all that by asking to leave now.

"I don't believe the club will be against his departure if they can get €10 (£6.9 million) or €14 million. (£9.7 million)

"Next summer, Liverpool will need to sell to be able to buy.

"We know Tottenham is attracted. Last winter, they already tried to settle the transfer.

"On January 31 at 3 pm they contacted us. We didn't want it, a few hours before the end of the winter transfer window.

"What would have happened if we had started to try to make the transfer and it would have failed in the last minutes? Djibril would have endured a difficult end to the season.

"But the contacts should be renewed in the summer, and Djibril is really attracted.

"Tottenham is an improving club, which can offer him more playing time."

However, Tottenham have moved to play down the reports insisting they have not made any moves for Cisse.

"We have never made an approach for Cisse and have not had any interest in the player," a Tottenham spokesman told the Daily Mail.

Cisse's brother Abou also revealed that Marseille wanted to sign the French international in January.

However, he was unhappy with the way Marseille conducted themselves in transfer negotiations.

"They wanted Djibril to take all the risks, putting Liverpool under pressure to agree to his departure," said Abou Cisse. "But it doesn't work that way.

"The two parties must take some risks. We can't ask the player to do everything."

copied from off ssn,

it looks like his brother is at it again?

cissie wasn't happy with him in jan because of speculation or is it a cover

by **101-1133031608** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:36 pm

redmikey wrote:no traore plays when he been on the ale. it is the only explanation

Oi you, leave Djimi alone.
Personally I would use him tonight as we will be up against Pennant, but hey thats for the match thread..........

by **redmikey** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:38 pm

so would i he could man mark heskey

we could then both play with 10 men:p

by **jeffiroquai** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:36 pm

If we can get 9.7 million for Cisse, I say good day sir!!

by **Judge** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:48 pm

Paul C wrote:
redmikey wrote:
Judge wrote:i was a supporter of cisse, but now......

judge it is like the matrix.....

welcome to the real world.........

lol

Everyone is talking about the shirt incident and the winding the geordies up, I'm not I'm stating the facts that he doesn't have enough footballing skill to play for LFC

i dont know what cack juice mikey has been slurping, but i agree with paul c

by **115-1073096938** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:02 pm

Graham Noble, "Kopite" and puroresu, you three are completely and utterly clueless.

You've clearly never been to a match and clearly don't understand football.

Sissy is a joke. A 14million pound joke. Crouch, while isn't a great player, certainly isn't a bad one.

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