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by **puroresu** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:33 pm

Fact is Rafa shot his confidence in the Summer during all the Owen speculation, and again after the Super Cup game. He then plays him RW and never gives him a chance up front. Towards the end of last season and in pre-season Cisse looked sharp and looked very good yet Rafa somehow managed to kill his confidence and has done nothing to help Cisse get it back.

Why is it that Cisse and Pongelle who Rafa never signed get treated like :censored:

. Yet Crouch and Nando who he signed get treated like superstars.

by **puroresu** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:14 pm

"Having impressed in the 1998 World Cup, Henry left Monaco and moved to Italian club Juventus in January 1999 for £14 million. There, he was made to play on the wing, and in an unfamiliar position was unable to cope with Italian defensive discipline, scoring just three goals while starting only 12 games for the Bianconeri."

Sounds like someone else I know!

by **kopite** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:28 pm

I think its only me , Puroresu and Graeme Noble that wants djbiril to have another chance . Against Arsenal crouch was so poor yet again . Looked useless in front of goal he should be back beside carra if anywhere because when he isnt punching defenders in the face he heading it into nowhere . So we buying Henri camara in the summer .

by **dawson99** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:30 pm

kopite wrote:I think its only me , Puroresu and Graeme Noble that wants djbiril to have another chance . Against Arsenal crouch was so poor yet again . Looked useless in front of goal he should be back beside carra if anywhere because when he isnt punching defenders in the face he heading it into nowhere . So we buying Henri camara in the summer .

theres a load of us thinking the same mate but it is to do with rafa, not the football. how he didnt even make the bench when we needed some pace is beyond me

by **puroresu** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:57 pm

Is the rumour true about having to pay Axuerre money if Cisse plays a certain amount of games.

This was when I was real happy!!!

Liverpool have confirmed that Auxerre striker Djibril Cisse will be joining them on 1 July, despite Gerard Houllier's exit from the club.
There had been doubts about his move as Houllier had been instrumental in setting it up but chief executive Rick Parry confirmed he would be joining.

"I don't think you could have taken the decision not to sign him because we've parted company with Gerard," he said.

The 22-year-old was the French league's top scorer this season with 26 goals.

Cisse says he turned down Real Madrid to join Liverpool and Parry says his arrival will give fans something to look forward to next season.

"Cisse is a very exciting player with a good goalscoring record. He has pace and power and all the qualities a modern striker needs," he said.

"He is someone who we believe is capable of scoring 20 goals a season."

The Leg break was a huge blow but the lack of games, played out of position, an attacking system which is centered around a beanpole is something I never thought would happen when we signed Cisse.

by **115-1073096938** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:01 pm

bavlondon wrote:Hes an average player who scores against lesser oposition but struggles to play against middle or top teams. He would perform better perhaps at a relegation battling team like Everton.

Everton are a relegation battling team? :laugh:

by **Theo@home** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:08 pm

I'll follow Gun God's lead and re-post something I wrote in Dawson's "Are stats proof?" thread...

Theo@home wrote:Have to disagree with you there Bigmick.
bigmick wrote:Cisse is rubbish lets be honest.

As part of my stats finding exercise, I revisited some of the compilation videos of Cisse and Nando. There is no doubt in my mind that both these players can definately score goals. Cisse has actually got quite a few crackers in his portfolio including for France.

IMO its all about attitude and confidence at the moment. It's Rafa's job to nurture (or man manage) the players to ensure that they are performing in this area. If that entails getting in a specialist sports psychologist then so be it. Rafa seems willing to bend over backwards to help Nando yet insists on playing Cisse on the wing if at all. If Rafa thinks he's good enough to play on the wing why not in the middle?

Your argument about Henry performing on the wing is slightly misleading. Henry tends to drift to the left as we saw on the weekend allowing him the space to cut in and strike with his right boot and scoring his trademark goal that curls around the keeper and sneaks in at the far post. I seem to remember Cisse doing exactly that at Everton! Neither of them like it on the right IMO. Remember that Cisse claims to model himself after Henry and although he is far from having the natural ability of Henry his play when he is on form and allowed to play his natural game certainly does resemble Henry's in some cases. My argument is that Cisse has not been allowed to do this by Rafa because Nando and Crouch have always had precedence. Although I respected Cisse and his comeback from injury I too thought his petulance and arm waving was a sign of poor attitude and committment. After studying the stats and examining his compilations again, I can only conclude that Rafa has an issue with him that we dont know about. Now though, its time for Rafa to stop being stubborn and swallow his pride (if thats the case) for the sake of team and give Cisse and Fowler/Crouch an extended run up front in a 4-4-2 formation. If Cisse plays the remaining games as CF and doesn't score at least 3 or 4 I'll eat my hat.

Theres no way I'd make that bet about Nando and Crouch though.

by **kopite** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:11 pm

Cisse played well last night from what i saw from the extended highlights , much bigger threat thn nando and crouch . Remember Henry wasnt playing aswell as he does now when he first came to arsenal but look at him now . Give Cisse a chance to prove himself next season and beyond .

by **redmikey** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:30 pm

has 90 mins conviced everyone that he simply isn't good enough or are some people still hanging on for him to come good??

kewell aways had talent but couldn't shake an injury

i would have baros over cissie because he didn't cost as much and sometimes looked like he had played football before

by **Paul C** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:41 pm

puroresu wrote:"Having impressed in the 1998 World Cup, Henry left Monaco and moved to Italian club Juventus in January 1999 for £14 million. There, he was made to play on the wing, and in an unfamiliar position was unable to cope with Italian defensive discipline, scoring just three goals while starting only 12 games for the Bianconeri."

Sounds like someone else I know!

Although Henry isn't a winger I'm sure he showed good touches and vision which is something Cisse doesn't, I'd love to know how many times he's had the ball and wasted it, I'm sure the percentage is very high

by **Garymac** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:45 pm

2 people have mentioned Cisse and Henry in the same breath

What. The. Fu*k.

Hes not good enough, im sorry but the lad just doesnt do it, on the wing or upfront, 14 million pound for a player who simply lacks ability is truly shocking.

Bigmick is correct, Cisse is rubbish im afraid

by **Paul C** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:59 pm

Garymac wrote:2 people have mentioned Cisse and Henry in the same breath

What. The. Fu*k.

Hes not good enough, im sorry but the lad just doesnt do it, on the wing or upfront, 14 million pound for a player who simply lacks ability is truly shocking.

Bigmick is correct, Cisse is rubbish im afraid

Agreed there Ga, I don't understand how people actually defend this lad and say he hasn't had a chance, it doesn't matter if you see any player play out of position cos you can still he if their good on the ball, have good vision, have a good attitude, etc and Cisse has non of them :angry:

by **Scottbot** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:36 pm

KOP-1892 wrote:I've lost count of how many sublime through ball's our midfielder's have put in for Morientes, but his total lack of pace and anticipation meant goalkeeper's and defender's were mopping up quite easily. You put Cisse in the same situation and I guarentee he'll at least pop a few shot's, no doubt he'll miss some, but at least he would get an attempt or two where Morientes isn't.

I'm not defending Morientes here but opposition defences play a lot higher up the pitch when Crouch and Moro are playing. They're willing to gamble on being beaten with the odd through ball because they know neither Crouch or Moro has the legs to get there. Put Cisse in and the defence will play deeper (watch next time Cisse gets some time up front) so he can't hurt them with his pace plus he is (and let's be brutally honest here) simply dreadful with his back to goal.

by **kunilson** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:09 pm

Cisse is a disappointment. Fact.

BUT, has rafa even tried to mould him into a player that he wants? I don't know cos last time we had a pint he didn't tell me.

Joe Cole & Lampard turned from Average to damn good. Henry turned from a left winger going nowhere at Juve to the EPL's best striker. Fact.

The difference? their managers took time on them. Cisse's problems won't be hard to fix, and then maybe we can see some of our money's worth. just a thought...

by **Scottbot** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:16 pm

kunilson wrote:The difference? their managers took time on them. Cisse's problems won't be hard to fix, and then maybe we can see some of our money's worth. just a thought...

maybe. But it would take a lot of work, a lot of patience and unfortunatley for Cisse, a lot of faith and i'm pretty sure Rafa has very little of that in the lad.

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