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by **Houllier=LFC** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:55 pm

Poolinc. wrote:
dawson99 wrote:i think you're an idiot. he was a class triker in france. give him 5 games like the lad above says and see the goals

Yes, well you think everbody who disagrees with you is an idiot!! If you think Cisse is quality then fook off across the road and support Everton. If your deluded enough to think that Cisse deserves more time when the dogs on the street can see his short-comings, then you are the idiot!! If you're going to be abusive, at least choose a topic you have a chance of appearing correct with! Gobsh1te!!

Cisse? Give me a break, please ffs!!

This might be news to you, but theres a large portion of supporters who believe Cisse deserves a chance starting, especially when the other 2 are misfiring every since chance.

by **48-1119859832** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:16 pm

dawson99 wrote:i think you're an idiot. he was a class triker in france. give him 5 games like the lad above says and see the goals

You raise key words there "Was", "A", "Class", "Striker" in "France". Cisse is no betta than any of our other strikers. Lots of people say that Cisse should be given a lenghty run in the team, that's fine, I agree with that. However when he is bought on or played he doesn't have a impact at all as well as being a very, very, very poor player with attributes of a part timer playing for a semi-pro team. I'd go for a Crouch & Fowler partnership. With Cisse n Moro either on the bench or left at home.

by **dawson99** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:20 pm

how can u say he is no worse if he is never given a chance as a striker? why do liverpool always spend a shed load on strikers and play them as wingers?

cisse is aproven goal scorer who is not being given the chance to score

by **48-1119859832** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:43 pm

Cisse is only good at crossing (sometimes) & running so it makes sense to play him out on the right, he may of been proven in France but playing in England is whole different kettle of fish all together. It just simply won't wash with me. When a foreigner comes to play in England the slate is wiped clean and he has to start again, I couldn't care if he scored 300 goals in the Norweigen League, he has to build his rep in England.

by **dawson99** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:46 pm

0asis wrote:Cisse is only good at crossing (sometimes) & running so it makes sense to play him out on the right, he may of been proven in France but playing in England is whole different kettle of fish all together. It just simply won't wash with me. When a foreigner comes to play in England the slate is wiped clean and he has to start again, I couldn't care if he scored 300 goals in the Norweigen League, he has to build his rep in England.

but what im saying is he hasnt been given the chance to play up front. pre season in the easy qualifiers he played up front and scored and scored. u might want crouch and morio up front but personally id like us to score maybe a goal or two one day.

and the french league is a good league now with good players and is close to resembling the premiership in its style of play

by **48-1119859832** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:55 pm

I said CROUCH & FOWLER, I rate Moro about as highly as Cisse. And I didn't once say the French League was poor. When a player joins a club all that matters is what he does at the club not what he did at his previous club.

by **tubby** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:59 pm

Hes an average player who scores against lesser oposition but struggles to play against middle or top teams. He would perform better perhaps at a relegation battling team like Everton.

by **Gareth G** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:54 pm

The fact is, Crouch and Morientes or Crouch and Fowler won't be very effective due to lack of pace, although the latter of the two will be far better. In my opinion you need at least one player who can run a bit, doesn't have to be supersonic, but a little pace help's. Fowler makes up for his lack of pace by making superb run's and finding good space to play, but he's the only striker we've got who has a brian tuned for that.

Morientes in nowhere near Cisse's class though, with Cisse at least you have anticipation, speed and a far superior goal threat, he take's that chance of running into a space where he think's the ball will possibly break loose, Morientes doesn't and there's less goal opportunities as a result. I've said it time and time again, I've lost count of how many sublime through ball's our midfielder's have put in for Morientes, but his total lack of pace and anticipation meant goalkeeper's and defender's were mopping up quite easily. You put Cisse in the same situation and I guarentee he'll at least pop a few shot's, no doubt he'll miss some, but at least he would get an attempt or two where Morientes isn't. I don't know how you can possibly put him on par with Cisse, he's been shocking from he's joined and at current Cisse is a better player.

It's about time Cisse start's ahead of Morientes in his natural position, he certainly can't be any worse than him.

by **Poolinc.** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:32 pm

dawson99 wrote:ok poolinc. how many chances has cisse had as a striker recently?
exactly. the guy can score goals, which is more than any of our other players right now. so stop being a sheep and get your own opinions. Go and follow everton? Are u a complete muppet?

watch the game, pay attention and u might notice how it is actually played

Well, in Rafa, we trust! No? If Rafa doesn't consider him an out and out striker, that speaks volumes to me! I'm always willing to give a player lots of time and I was impressed with his commitment to LFC when he got married in red, but I'm sorry, he just doesn't cut it!! When i say fook off and watch Everton, I mean that he might, just might, be good enough for a team as limited as everton, but not near good enough for Liverpool! Personally, I've seen enough of Cisse to say that if I never saw him again, i wouldn't care! By all means give him a guarnteed 5 consecutive matches, but all that will do is cut his sell-on value by another few million! Attacks break down with him all too often!

by **GunGod** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:51 pm

I've done it in a separte thread but no harm saying it twice.

If we play Cisse, there's a high chance he will score more than Crouch or Moro, hard to doubt that.

Similarly, if we do play him, there's a high chance we won't be able to keep the ball in the opposition half. Ergo, there's a high chance the midfield will get less chances to score.

So, Cisse scores more = Midfield scores less. So nothing changes right?

No. The defence will most likely concede more goals simply because the ball keeps coming back into our half

Sometimes its easy to oversee this aspect of the game. Especially when you are discussing about the most quantifiable part of the game i.e. goals scored.

But Rafa plays Crouch simply because at least Crouch doesn't lose the ball and more importantly, can hold the ball till support arrives.

Cisse on the other hand, can't hold no ball on his own and opts to run at the opposition with nothing but pace when he finds no one near him. Often resulting in him tackling himself and losing the ball, or the defender just nips the ball from him.

Fact is, even Moro can hold the ball for longer than Cisse does.

If you noticed, that's the style of our play. Usually our players go into nearby positions to the striker holding the ball to support him, rather than run into open spaces trusting the striker to deliver a good pass. Man U players don't really support their strikers, but rather they trust the striker to do the job.

Which is why Cisse, who can neither pass a good ball nor hold the ball doesn't start for us. All he does is wait for others to create chances for him to have a clear run at goal, though he will most probably take the chances better than Crouch or Moro.

by **red pride** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:12 pm

well all i know is when i played (not very well that is) i was center half and as with every player i played at the back with, pace is the one thing you hate, and im not slow, so i hope he gets a bit more of a run out in the team, i do still think hes isnt a top striker but can he score less that what we are at the moment, i think not

by **woof woof !** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:42 pm

Despite the limitations that some have attached to Cisse's ability imo the bottom line is LFC have failed to get the best out of Cisse .

Cisse is a STRIKER ! don't expect him to play wide right or hold up the ball while the rest of the team wait for a bus to bring them forward ffs !
In France the fella was used to being the point of the attack , Would love to have seen him given half the chances that Crouch and Morientes have had . He's not the best in the world but he's hardly any worse than his fellow strikers given that he's never been given much of a chance to play in his natural position with his only instruction being "Go for goal" .

by **Crouchamania** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:16 pm

yeah cisse is a finisher theres no doubt but if he cant score against man ure from 5 yards when will he score

by **Big Niall** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 3:38 pm

I don't think he is any good but Crouch, Morientes and Fowler are not scoring anything so its probably worth giving him 5 games and hope something happens.

Either was a revolution up front is needed in the summer.

by **Graeme Noble** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:23 pm

Remember the last Premiership game of the season last year against Villa, Cisse stole the show as a striker. Bring him back!!!

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