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Postby Ciggy » Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:25 pm

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Guillem Balague said tonight that Rafa has always stated his desire to one day manage Real Madrid and that the Liverpool board would have to match Rafa's ambitions to keep him here, which we all know anyway and our ambitions are the same as Rafa's at the end of the day. He also said that he doesn't think Rafa will go there just yet because he's happy at Liverpool.

But he can't be too sure for 10/15 years down the line but the board must give him financial backing if they want to keep him at Liverpool because of the interest from Madrid and Inter he is one of Rafa's closest associates I do hope the Liverpool board do everything in their power to please Rafa the sooner Madrid sign a new manager the better.
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Postby metalhead » Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:52 pm

Ciggy wrote: :Oo: 
Guillem Balague said tonight that Rafa has always stated his desire to one day manage Real Madrid and that the Liverpool board would have to match Rafa's ambitions to keep him here, which we all know anyway and our ambitions are the same as Rafa's at the end of the day. He also said that he doesn't think Rafa will go there just yet because he's happy at Liverpool.

But he can't be too sure for 10/15 years down the line but the board must give him financial backing if they want to keep him at Liverpool because of the interest from Madrid and Inter he is one of Rafa's closest associates I do hope the Liverpool board do everything in their power to please Rafa the sooner Madrid sign a new manager the better.

Interesting Ciggy, i always believed that Rafa will manage the spanish national team if he ever leave liverpool, but not Real Madrid. I think David Moores and Rick Parry have pleased Rafa already with some freedom in the transfer market and a good transfer budget. Also i hope they give Rafa an improved contract to hamper Real Madrid's chase!

Even Rafa himself said that he is recieving alot of backing from the board so i think he is pleased right now! by the way, remember that he is taking into concederation the freedom of managing in Real Madrid, for example he will find it hard to choose the players he want to buy as he is limited in just team talks and coaching the players. The Technical director in real madrid creates the plays and tactics that the coach/manager uses in games.
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Postby Sabre » Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:16 am

Too much concern I see around here. I'd bet money if there was option for that somewhere, that Rafa will continue next season with us.

Bigmicks' explanation in this thread, would make sense in a good club, with some common sense. But I do not think that it would be a good time to start a new dinasty in Madrid, whatsoever. Madrid has incredible pressure of media around him. they haven't won any title in 3 years, and they badly need it. They simply are not going to be patient enough to give time to build up another squad.

The first movements of the new presidency, according to Marca, have been to contact Vicente del Bosque, and Fernando Hierro, one probably to be coach, the other one as bridge between the hot dressroom and the board, as Hierro was a former player and had lot of charisma in the dressroom.

I think it's a mistake, but I wouldn't be surprised. Anyway, I don't think Rafa will be there any soon. Remember how a few weeks back AS and Marca told about possible interest in Alonso?, now they're talking about Arsenal's Cesc Fábregas. I wouldn't take all this too seriously. I don't think Rafa wants to leave his project half done. I think he's going to stay here until the end of his contract if possible.
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Postby Dundalk » Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:40 am

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Postby metalhead » Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:48 am

Sabre wrote:Too much concern I see around here. I'd bet money if there was option for that somewhere, that Rafa will continue next season with us.

Bigmicks' explanation in this thread, would make sense in a good club, with some common sense. But I do not think that it would be a good time to start a new dinasty in Madrid, whatsoever. Madrid has incredible pressure of media around him. they haven't won any title in 3 years, and they badly need it. They simply are not going to be patient enough to give time to build up another squad.

The first movements of the new presidency, according to Marca, have been to contact Vicente del Bosque, and Fernando Hierro, one probably to be coach, the other one as bridge between the hot dressroom and the board, as Hierro was a former player and had lot of charisma in the dressroom.

I think it's a mistake, but I wouldn't be surprised. Anyway, I don't think Rafa will be there any soon. Remember how a few weeks back AS and Marca told about possible interest in Alonso?, now they're talking about Arsenal's Cesc Fábregas. I wouldn't take all this too seriously. I don't think Rafa wants to leave his project half done. I think he's going to stay here until the end of his contract if possible.

I agree with you mate, the media is too much pressure and Real Madrid are desperate for a trophy.
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Postby Ciggy » Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:08 am

:angry: All the sunday newspapers have Rafa to Madrid in their headlines :angry:  What a suprise hey leading up to our biggest game o the season.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,1723895,00.html?gusrc=rss

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/sport/story/0,,1723900,00.html

http://liverpoolfc.co.za/groupee....1023802
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Postby metalhead » Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:10 am

:angry:  :angry:

the media can't leave him alone can they!!!
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Postby 48-1119859832 » Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:37 am

All three articles talk a load of pooh.

Benitez said he isn't interested in signing "World Class" players, just the right players.
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Postby Ciggy » Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:38 am

Bascombe  said this and more in this weekend's footy Echo.

There is smoke because there is fire.

I think Benitez is unsettled because he may have been promised bigger funds when he first arrived as maybe Parry etc thought there would be a large investor in the wings. So far- nothing.

I think he's also unsettled because - whatever he says - the Madrid job is something he wants. His Mother was the big Madrid fan in the house and his father has not long passed away.

If he see's no real funding coming from Liverpool's board and see's the door open at Madrid he may well go.


Especially as one of his coaches is going back to Spain anyway at the end of this season.

Worst case scenario - no funds here - he goes.

Best scenario - We get the investment we need - he stays.

We may be left with some rubbish middle ground. We manage to get some funds and he decides to stay but is unhappy.

Personally, if he goes after just two seasons, Istanbul notwithstanding, then he is not the person I think he is and it would be a huge betrayal.
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Postby tubby » Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:19 pm

Agreed, he definatley needs to be given the fund he needs otherwise we will lose as Valencia lost him.
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Postby LFC #1 » Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:27 pm

Ciggy wrote:Im not overly confident in Rafa's quotes on the offal yesterday its twice he's said now I am only interested in the next game and we are still in three competitions, why cant he just say I want to stay at Liverpool for the forseeable future?

He's said in the past on several occasions that he wants to be here for 10-15 years as he loves the place. Whether thats true or not is another story, but Rafa doesn't seem the type to walk away from a work in progress.

If he turns us into the best team in England again he may look to leave, but not before IMO. Hopefully we won't collapse liek Valenica have if hedoes end up leaving, the next managerial appointment would be crucial.
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Postby Igor Zidane » Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:28 pm

Ciggy wrote:Bascombe  said this and more in this weekend's footy Echo.

There is smoke because there is fire.

I think Benitez is unsettled because he may have been promised bigger funds when he first arrived as maybe Parry etc thought there would be a large investor in the wings. So far- nothing.

I think he's also unsettled because - whatever he says - the Madrid job is something he wants. His Mother was the big Madrid fan in the house and his father has not long passed away.

If he see's no real funding coming from Liverpool's board and see's the door open at Madrid he may well go.


Especially as one of his coaches is going back to Spain anyway at the end of this season.

Worst case scenario - no funds here - he goes.

Best scenario - We get the investment we need - he stays.

We may be left with some rubbish middle ground. We manage to get some funds and he decides to stay but is unhappy.

Personally, if he goes after just two seasons, Istanbul notwithstanding, then he is not the person I think he is and it would be a huge betrayal.

Got to disagree with yer there lynds it's the job he always wanted , it's his dream job, it would be excactly the same if say we went for Paul Jewel, it's his dream job lynds and you can't take that away from him. Personally i don't think he'll go ,because the job here isn't done ,but i wouldn't hold it against him, although i'd be gutted if he did go.
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Postby metalhead » Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:34 pm

Ciggy wrote:Bascombe  said this and more in this weekend's footy Echo.

There is smoke because there is fire.

I think Benitez is unsettled because he may have been promised bigger funds when he first arrived as maybe Parry etc thought there would be a large investor in the wings. So far- nothing.

I think he's also unsettled because - whatever he says - the Madrid job is something he wants. His Mother was the big Madrid fan in the house and his father has not long passed away.

If he see's no real funding coming from Liverpool's board and see's the door open at Madrid he may well go.


Especially as one of his coaches is going back to Spain anyway at the end of this season.

Worst case scenario - no funds here - he goes.

Best scenario - We get the investment we need - he stays.

We may be left with some rubbish middle ground. We manage to get some funds and he decides to stay but is unhappy.

Personally, if he goes after just two seasons, Istanbul notwithstanding, then he is not the person I think he is and it would be a huge betrayal.

what funds will be he given in Real Madrid? everyone is forgeting that if benitez joins Real, he doesn't have the freedom in the transfer market and does not have the choice to buy the players he wants!
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Postby Ciggy » Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:59 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Bascombe  said this and more in this weekend's footy Echo.

There is smoke because there is fire.

I think Benitez is unsettled because he may have been promised bigger funds when he first arrived as maybe Parry etc thought there would be a large investor in the wings. So far- nothing.

I think he's also unsettled because - whatever he says - the Madrid job is something he wants. His Mother was the big Madrid fan in the house and his father has not long passed away.

If he see's no real funding coming from Liverpool's board and see's the door open at Madrid he may well go.


Especially as one of his coaches is going back to Spain anyway at the end of this season.

Worst case scenario - no funds here - he goes.

Best scenario - We get the investment we need - he stays.

We may be left with some rubbish middle ground. We manage to get some funds and he decides to stay but is unhappy.

Personally, if he goes after just two seasons, Istanbul notwithstanding, then he is not the person I think he is and it would be a huge betrayal.

Got to disagree with yer there lynds it's the job he always wanted , it's his dream job, it would be excactly the same if say we went for Paul Jewel, it's his dream job lynds and you can't take that away from him. Personally i don't think he'll go ,because the job here isn't done ,but i wouldn't hold it against him, although i'd be gutted if he did go.

:D I didnt write it Igor its from Chris Bascombes article in last nights echo.
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Postby Garymac » Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:11 pm

Put yourself in Rafas shoes, if i managed a great team somewhere and was having a great time but Liverpool came calling for me, do you think id stay at this club?? Id be off in a flash to Liverpool.

There is probably only 1 job Rafa would ever leave us for, and thats Real Madrid, if he turned Madrid down just to keep us happy do you think its going to be good for us in all honesty.

Yes he would still be here but he would probably think he has betrayed himself of the chance of managing the club he has always loved and you would know that maybe his heart wasnt quite in the right place.

If Madrid do come calling i dont think its fair of us to judge Rafa or say he has betrayed us as the decision he makes is going to be so hard for him anyway with out the supporters who love him putting more pressure on him.

Youve got to ask yourself do you want a manager thats happy or one that isnt.

In my opinion i think some of you should take a look at the kind of postion Rafa could find himself in and take a look at yourselfs before judging him because it is going to be one of the hardest decisions he is ever likely to make.

And Metalhead, he will get the players he wants, Perez has left!!

If he does go its not betrayal, hes just following his heart, you telling me none of you have ever done that before??
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