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by **Cool Hand Luke** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 3:59 pm

http://www.pipelinecard.org/default.html

by **IstanBuL-FenerBaHce** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:57 pm

Woollyback wrote:OK amigos, Leon did post this months ago but I can't find it but it's worth bringing to everybody's attention again. The Government is determined to shaft anybody who drives a car by raping our @rses with the tax they levy on fuel and sadly there's f*ck all we can do about that other than tell Gordon Brown to feck off and keep his sticky fingers out of our bank accounts and vote him & His Tonyness out at the next election. What we can do however is use the purchasing power of us all to negotiate a bulk discount on petrol buying

Ben Scammell has long championed the cause of car drivers and the raw deal we get from the powers that be, he has started the ball rolling on this:

www.pipelinecard.org

Get yerselves signed up kiddiewinks and also your wives/girlfriends/mates/husbands or whoever, email it to everyone you know, post it on other forums etc etc

It's not a secure site at the moment but not a problem as they don't want bank details or anything, and since I signed up I've had no extra spam or junk mail or anything so I for one believe this is all totally reputable and above board

get signed up!

To be honest woolly, i cant understand your text completely, coz im drunk a bit

"British government want to get some taxes from people who have a car" thats what you said, and you oppose that..alright?

Ooooh, your government makes a good thing for our old earth mate. I hope all of EU governments and USA can do the same thing.

Patrol (including CO, CO2, VOX, particulate matters...) is the second dangerous fuel (after nuclear) for the world, and patrol use must be restricted immediately.

That tax is a good step for a sustainable development and a healthier world.

by **RUSHIE#9** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:27 pm

IstanBuL-FenerBaHce wrote:
Woollyback wrote:OK amigos, Leon did post this months ago but I can't find it but it's worth bringing to everybody's attention again. The Government is determined to shaft anybody who drives a car by raping our @rses with the tax they levy on fuel and sadly there's f*ck all we can do about that other than tell Gordon Brown to feck off and keep his sticky fingers out of our bank accounts and vote him & His Tonyness out at the next election. What we can do however is use the purchasing power of us all to negotiate a bulk discount on petrol buying

Ben Scammell has long championed the cause of car drivers and the raw deal we get from the powers that be, he has started the ball rolling on this:

www.pipelinecard.org

Get yerselves signed up kiddiewinks and also your wives/girlfriends/mates/husbands or whoever, email it to everyone you know, post it on other forums etc etc

It's not a secure site at the moment but not a problem as they don't want bank details or anything, and since I signed up I've had no extra spam or junk mail or anything so I for one believe this is all totally reputable and above board

get signed up!

To be honest woolly, i cant understand your text completely, coz im drunk a bit

"British government want to get some taxes from people who have a car" thats what you said, and you oppose that..alright?

Ooooh, your government makes a good thing for our old earth mate. I hope all of EU governments and USA can do the same thing.

Patrol (including CO, CO2, VOX, particulate matters...) is the second dangerous fuel (after nuclear) for the world, and patrol use must be restricted immediately.

That tax is a good step for a sustainable development and a healthier world.

I think it needs to be pointed out for you Istanbul-Fenerbahce and other forein visitors on here that we get taxed about 4 or 5 times by our government to drive our cars.
When we fill up at the petrol pumps about 78% (me thinks) goes to the government in tax alone before the oil companies take their cut.
We by law also have to pay a road tax that allows us to legally drive on the roads which can cost nearly £200 (€294 approx.) in some cases which all goes straight to the government.
We also have to have valid insurance to legally drive and there is even tax charged on that which puts the cost of motoring up again.
Then we have our old friends; the speed cameras that are dotted right across our roads network to supposedly cut accidents and deaths on the roads but depending on who you believe aren't doing that and are just there to tax the unruly drivers out on the road.

I for one would be able to stomach all of these taxes and charges on us motorists if we saw the money being put back into roads and public transport but when you look at the state of our transport infrastructure it's cack. Our railway system is falling to bits and after too many fatal disasters is only in the last couple of years being updated but at the cost of rising ticket prices. We have some of the worst road surfaces and traffic congestion in europe and really we should be seeing some of the £42 billion pounds per year of tax the government takes poured back into them but it only amounts to a couple of hundred million.
The bus services in my limited experience in the town where i live are pathetic; when i have to get the bus to work 'cos my car maybe in the garage and i can't get a lift it costs me £1.15 approx for a journey that only takes about 10-15 mins but costs only a few pence by car even with all of the costs of motoring.

I'm not against saving the environment and reducing the harmful gases put out by cars 'cos something does need to be done but just taxing the motorist again and again and again isn't the answer unless you're going to use some of that money to develop new alternative fuels and put a reliable cheap public transport system in place.

by **Woollyback** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:51 pm

IstanBuL-FenerBaHce wrote:
Woollyback wrote:OK amigos, Leon did post this months ago but I can't find it but it's worth bringing to everybody's attention again. The Government is determined to shaft anybody who drives a car by raping our @rses with the tax they levy on fuel and sadly there's f*ck all we can do about that other than tell Gordon Brown to feck off and keep his sticky fingers out of our bank accounts and vote him & His Tonyness out at the next election. What we can do however is use the purchasing power of us all to negotiate a bulk discount on petrol buying

Ben Scammell has long championed the cause of car drivers and the raw deal we get from the powers that be, he has started the ball rolling on this:

www.pipelinecard.org

Get yerselves signed up kiddiewinks and also your wives/girlfriends/mates/husbands or whoever, email it to everyone you know, post it on other forums etc etc

It's not a secure site at the moment but not a problem as they don't want bank details or anything, and since I signed up I've had no extra spam or junk mail or anything so I for one believe this is all totally reputable and above board

get signed up!

To be honest woolly, i cant understand your text completely, coz im drunk a bit

"British government want to get some taxes from people who have a car" thats what you said, and you oppose that..alright?

Ooooh, your government makes a good thing for our old earth mate. I hope all of EU governments and USA can do the same thing.

Patrol (including CO, CO2, VOX, particulate matters...) is the second dangerous fuel (after nuclear) for the world, and patrol use must be restricted immediately.

That tax is a good step for a sustainable development and a healthier world.

i see what you're saying fenerbahce and agree that action has to be taken to reduce pollution NOW. but increasing taxation on fuel (which is already the highest in the world here) isn't the answer - they've been increasing the tax for decades and people still use their cars more and more. the government here has raised just about every concievable tax and some more you never even knew existed to pay for a massive expansion in state jobs. car drivers are an easy target because nobody can boycott petrol to make a political point, we rely on petrol to get to work, to get food into our shops, basically to go about our daily lives. we don't drive for fun, we drive because it's an essential part of our lives. we have no choice other than to pay the extortionate tax on fuel.

the pipeline card scheme cannot change the amount of tax paid on the fuel we buy but it can help drivers get a discount by bulk-purchasing power so that one of the big petrol companies can give us a discount on their product. shell last year made a uk corporate record profit of £13 BILLION ($23 billion) so it's plain to see they could easily afford to give a discount of a few pence per litre to a few hundred thousand people who sign up to a card which would see them buy their petrol exclusively from one provider

if i knew that the tax raised from fuel was being invested in developing clean energy sources & clean fuel then i'd find it a lot more palatable, but i am sick of the massive amounts of tax we pay on EVERYTHING in the uk, only for the money to disappear into the black hole that is government spending

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