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Postby jonnymac1979 » Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:44 pm

bavlondon wrote:I remmber he hit the post against Kaunas i think it was  in the qualifiers when we got beaten 1-0.

He hit the bar against CSKA Sofia in the last minute and was unlucky as he completely controlled the game that night.  he deserved a goal.

Even I could see that and I was sitting in the Kop and had left my specs at home and couldn't see the Anfield Road end of the ground.

It will be the last time that ever happens to me.
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Postby Bother » Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:51 pm

Sure Momo isn't world class, and his assing isn't the best and all that, but look who he's learning from....Didi, Xabi and Gerrard. All three of them would be picked by the majority of managers in the english league if they could.
All three of them can help Momo in different aspects of his game.
He may not be class now, but he will be in a few years IMO.
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Postby RAFABENITEZ » Mon Feb 20, 2006 4:57 pm

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Postby murphy0151 » Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:24 pm

banana wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:
HOMER wrote:all you can do at the moment is compare sissoko to a 21 year old viera or makalele. were they at that age composed in the last third? I think not. were they as good at tackling? I think not. were they covering as much ground? I think not. were they giving mom performances aginst the top teams? I think not

Give the lad a chance and he will be awesome alongside gerrard and alonso-great signing

Compare him to Vieira at the same age and you think he's better?

Did you see Vieira at 21? He was probably as good as Gerrard is now. He was better than Alonso thats for sure and Alonso's class.

The problem is with "oot" Liverpool fans is theres no perspective. Gerrard is world class, Alonso is class. Beyond that we have loads of quality and top quality players, but everyone we sign or have in the team seems to be "class".

If Carragher was world class, Alonso and Gerrard were and Luis Garcia was, we'd win the league without question.

Sissoko is very very good. He's not class.

Some of the older posters a while ago might remember something i mentioned about numbers for players, and adding up to a team total to see how good we are.

6: world class (17m+ price range roughly)
5: top class (12m)
4: quality player (8m)
3: very good player (7m)
2: good player (5m)
1: squad player (3m)

Chelsea: 50 points.

                    Drogba
Robben              3                    Duff
   6      Essien              Lampard    4
              4    Makelele      4
                       5
Del Horno    Terry     Gallas     Ferreira
    4            4(5)         6            4
                      Cech
                        5

Liverpool: 42 points.

               Crouch     Fowler
Kewell          3             4        Gerrard
    4          Alonso     Sissoko       6
                  5             3
Riise          Hyypia    Carragher  Finnan 
  4               4             4(5)        4
                       Reina 
                         4

Arsenal: 42 points.
               
                 Henry      van Persie
                    6             4
Pires          Gilberto      Fabergas    Ljunberg
  3                4               3               3
Cole          Campbell      Toure       Lauren
  5                4               4             3
                       Lehman
                           3

Man Utd: 41 points

               Rooney      van Nistlerooy
Giggs           6                  4        Ronaldo
  4              Smith       Fletcher       4
                    2                1
Heinze       Silvestre    Ferdinand     Neville
  5                3               5               3
                    van der Sar
                          4
That to me is roughly how i'd judge teams (on paper). For me, Sissoko has the potential to get to a "4" as does van Persie as and probably Toure and Fabregas have the potential to go up a level. Thats why i think we need a quality winger and a new striker. Obviouvly they have to be the right players. Ashton and Pennant i'd give 4's too again with the potential to improve. I'm not sayin this IS the way it is, but my 'theory' if you like.... makes sense and adds up, looking at the positions and goal difference of the teams also i think this adds up.

The day we'll compete with Chelsea is when we can have a bench that consists of Crouch, Sissoko, Luis Garcia Carson, and either Agger or Kromkamp, with two new quality first teamers in the side.

I also feel we have a better manager than Chelsea which is why i believe we don't need as good a team of players. If Mourinho had made that sub the other week with Luis Garcia the media would have labled that "Jose does it again" rather than "Luis Garcia the LUCKY charm".

I know you're trying man. But you fall flat on your back when you somehow say that Fowler is better than Drogba and just as good as Nistelrooy.

An GAllas better than Terry lol

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Postby Lando_Griffin » Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:12 pm

murphy0151 wrote:
banana wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:
HOMER wrote:all you can do at the moment is compare sissoko to a 21 year old viera or makalele. were they at that age composed in the last third? I think not. were they as good at tackling? I think not. were they covering as much ground? I think not. were they giving mom performances aginst the top teams? I think not

Give the lad a chance and he will be awesome alongside gerrard and alonso-great signing

Compare him to Vieira at the same age and you think he's better?

Did you see Vieira at 21? He was probably as good as Gerrard is now. He was better than Alonso thats for sure and Alonso's class.

The problem is with "oot" Liverpool fans is theres no perspective. Gerrard is world class, Alonso is class. Beyond that we have loads of quality and top quality players, but everyone we sign or have in the team seems to be "class".

If Carragher was world class, Alonso and Gerrard were and Luis Garcia was, we'd win the league without question.

Sissoko is very very good. He's not class.

Some of the older posters a while ago might remember something i mentioned about numbers for players, and adding up to a team total to see how good we are.

6: world class (17m+ price range roughly)
5: top class (12m)
4: quality player (8m)
3: very good player (7m)
2: good player (5m)
1: squad player (3m)

Chelsea: 50 points.

                    Drogba
Robben              3                    Duff
   6      Essien              Lampard    4
              4    Makelele      4
                       5
Del Horno    Terry     Gallas     Ferreira
    4            4(5)         6            4
                      Cech
                        5

Liverpool: 42 points.

               Crouch     Fowler
Kewell          3             4        Gerrard
    4          Alonso     Sissoko       6
                  5             3
Riise          Hyypia    Carragher  Finnan 
  4               4             4(5)        4
                       Reina 
                         4

Arsenal: 42 points.
               
                 Henry      van Persie
                    6             4
Pires          Gilberto      Fabergas    Ljunberg
  3                4               3               3
Cole          Campbell      Toure       Lauren
  5                4               4             3
                       Lehman
                           3

Man Utd: 41 points

               Rooney      van Nistlerooy
Giggs           6                  4        Ronaldo
  4              Smith       Fletcher       4
                    2                1
Heinze       Silvestre    Ferdinand     Neville
  5                3               5               3
                    van der Sar
                          4
That to me is roughly how i'd judge teams (on paper). For me, Sissoko has the potential to get to a "4" as does van Persie as and probably Toure and Fabregas have the potential to go up a level. Thats why i think we need a quality winger and a new striker. Obviouvly they have to be the right players. Ashton and Pennant i'd give 4's too again with the potential to improve. I'm not sayin this IS the way it is, but my 'theory' if you like.... makes sense and adds up, looking at the positions and goal difference of the teams also i think this adds up.

The day we'll compete with Chelsea is when we can have a bench that consists of Crouch, Sissoko, Luis Garcia Carson, and either Agger or Kromkamp, with two new quality first teamers in the side.

I also feel we have a better manager than Chelsea which is why i believe we don't need as good a team of players. If Mourinho had made that sub the other week with Luis Garcia the media would have labled that "Jose does it again" rather than "Luis Garcia the LUCKY charm".

I know you're trying man. But you fall flat on your back when you somehow say that Fowler is better than Drogba and just as good as Nistelrooy.

An GAllas better than Terry lol

:suspect:

I take it you know nothing about defending then?


Gallas is MILES better than Terry. Even Moris had to admit that.
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Postby ivor_the_injun » Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:23 pm

Very good thread this - let's try and keep it on topic.

Sissoko's definitely stepping up, and I don't think the last couple of performances have been flukes. You don't put yourself around a football pitch that much by accident. The Robbie Savage comparisons aren't misplaced, although I think we're looking at a guy that's got a much better engine and a much better tackle about him. So to speak. :D

Yes, the diving needs to stop, but with that and some lessons from Didi on picking a simple pass, I think we've got one hell of a player for years to come. For European nights in particular, he's going to be a big, big player for us.
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Postby 7_Kewell » Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:23 pm

bigmick wrote:This "learning from Hamann" thing is all well and good but I think that Sissoko is evolving into a totally different type of player to Didi. Didi is a sitting, holding midfielder who makes up for his chronic lack of pace with experience, awareness and discipline. Alonso is far more likely to learn from Hamann and vice-versa. Sissoko is roving, destructive one-man pack of Hyena's snapping and biting away at the oppositions creative hub. He plays the game quite unlike anybody else in the Premiership (with the possible exception of Phil's comparison, Robbie Savage though I have to say Sissoko is a much better player IMHO) and he will only improve.
FWIW the person he could learn most off in my view is his captain, learning how to use his boundless energy to influence the game in the opposition penalty area, namely in scoring the odd goal or two.
Another thing he should learn and fast is to stop diving. I'm not in favour of diving from anyone at the best of times but Momo must be the worst exponent of the dive I have ever seen. He dives after the tackle has already been made and then looks at the ref in a totally unconvincing and guilty way. He's probably the sort of guy who gets his bags searched at customs every time he travels. Drp the diving Momo, it ain't you mate    :D .

agree there...Sissoko goes down way to easily.
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Postby columbia » Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:46 pm

Good News

Liverpool midfielder Momo Sissoko is continuing to make pleasing progress as he recovers from the horrific eye injury he sustained last week.
Sissoko is almost certainly ruled out for the rest of the season after being accidentally kicked in the eye by Benfica's Beto at the Stadium of Light.

Despite initial fears over his long term well-being, the latest update paints a more positive outlook for the 21 year old who was examined by a specialist yesterday.

A Liverpool spokesman said: "The surgeon who examined Momo yesterday was pleased with his progress.
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Postby greenred » Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:43 pm

Sissoko back in training and his eye is ok.Can anyone confirm this?
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Postby greenred » Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:58 pm

Anyone ???
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Postby HacksawJimDuggin » Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:12 pm

Pardon the pun but I can't see that being the case. 2 weeks after this horrific injury - no chance. Great if he is but he won't be rushed back. With us now out the CL and a relaxed fixture list there is no need for us to push him too quickly. The young guy should have a good rest before pre-season and come back next season raring to go.

My opinion on Sissoko is that Rafa has signed an absolute gem of a player. He has all the battling abilities and determination to last in the premiership. Hopefully he doesn't lose confidence from his horrific injury and bounces back. The comments about him not being the most technically gifted of midfield players is maybe valid but at 20 he can learn that element of the game. I don't believe there is a massive requirement for him to become a great player on the ball as he does a great job for us as it is. All the great teams need the combative midfielders to complement the "football players" in a team. You only have to look at Real Madrid with Makelele, Arsenal without Vieira and Man Utd without Keane. None of these guys were/are the most technically gifted of players. You only have to look at the problems the likes of Real Madrid, Man Utd and Arsenal had after these players left!! Nuff said.

Sissoko will become a cult hero at Anfield.
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Postby maximus » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:09 pm

From liverpoolfc.tv

The Mali midfielder suffered a serious eye injury in the first leg of the Champions League tie against Benfica and initial fears were that he'd be out for the remainder of the season.
 
Sissoko is now back training at Melwood and Benitez says: "Hopefully we'll see him back soon. His injury has been a problem for us because when he plays he gives more freedom to other players.
 
"But I've seen him running and touching the ball at Melwood this week, which was a welcome surprise."

Fantastic news for the lad and our club  :)
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Postby HacksawJimDuggin » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:13 pm

Makes the pain of the defeat easier to take.
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Postby Lando_Griffin » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:30 pm

maximus wrote:From liverpoolfc.tv

The Mali midfielder suffered a serious eye injury in the first leg of the Champions League tie against Benfica and initial fears were that he'd be out for the remainder of the season.
 
Sissoko is now back training at Melwood and Benitez says: "Hopefully we'll see him back soon. His injury has been a problem for us because when he plays he gives more freedom to other players.
 
"But I've seen him running and touching the ball at Melwood this week, which was a welcome surprise."

Fantastic news for the lad and our club  :)

That is fantastic news for the lad, but we should not get our hopes up.

Scholes is back in training at Man U, but still won't comeback this season.

He's probably bored, and wants to be around the place. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt he'll play for us again this season.  :sniffle
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Postby redmikey » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:33 pm

it was a big scare, so great news, momo has been a great signing at 20 he is only going to get better and wiser in the holding role
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