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by **REDTILLDEAD** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:35 am

Our best striker...has to be our midfield general gerrard :bowdown

..cos the other three "balloon heads" (crouch, cisse, and morientes) couldn't score 10 goals between em' all season!! :wwww

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:36 am

If I was on Championship manager, I would ship them all out (maybe keep Crouch, as he is the reason our midfield have scored so many goals this season).

Unfortunately we play in the real world and therefore have to use the strikers we have in our squad.

I think once fit, Fowler will prove very useful. People say he is too old at 30, but Chelseas Crespo is also 30 and looks like a goal machine right now. Fowler never relied on his pace (as he never really had any), so as long as he gets match fitness, loses a few pounds and gets a run in the team I think we will do alright.

Did anyone notice in the Birmingham game, that when Fowler came on Morientes's games improved 200%. Fowler and him where always talking to each over... I think there may be a partnership in there somewhere, Hopefully they can both improve together and become our regular strike partnership....

but then what do you do with Crouch??

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:39 am

REDTILLDEAD wrote:cos the other three "balloon heads" (crouch, cisse, and morientes) couldn't score 10 goals between em' all season!!

They already have scored more than 10 between them.... Cisse is on more than 10 this season on his own.. isn't he??

by **craig da Toxteth iron** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:44 am

Fowler most definitely. If Cisse get his act together he will link up well with Fowler.

by **66-1137139704** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:05 pm

craig da Toxteth iron wrote:Fowler most definitely. If Cisse get his act together he will link up well with Fowler.

On counter attacking situations,you'd want a striker with pace to get the through ball from mid field.

When attacking,you'd want a striker able to shoot a cracker at goal when the slightest opportunity presents itself.

At the moment,am afraid ladies and gentlemen, that person is cisse :nod

(couldnt help notice that no one who voted crouch said why,curious :shifty

)

by **Houllier=LFC** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:01 pm

Fowler shouldnt be in the poll, hes not played a full game yet.
But hey...its gonna be a tough one to choose if hes not there isnt it?

by **oakton** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:08 pm

1. Fowler
2. Morri
3. Crouch
4. Cisse

by **Sabre** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:13 pm

Mudface, could you at least spell correctly the name of Morientes before actually giving your opinion about him, which is usually as categoric as wrong?

Since when statistics gather the info about how good the movement of a striker is? Do you realise this is not basketball? Haven't you read all the threads concerning Morientes, Crouch and Cisse? if you have, why do you ask why we vote who we want? Have you seen a top football match in a Stadium ever?

Thank you.

by **66-1137139704** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:31 pm

Sabre wrote:Mudface, could you at least spell correctly the name of Morientes before actually giving your opinion about him, which is usually as categoric as wrong?

Since when statistics gather the info about how good the movement of a striker is? Do you realise this is not basketball? Haven't you read all the threads concerning Morientes, Crouch and Cisse? if you have, why do you ask why we vote who we want? Have you seen a top football match in a Stadium ever?

Thank you.

so its spelled 'Morientes';very intruiging :sleep

How do you measure how good the movements of a player are?
Is it not by the resulting goals by directly scoring or indirectly assisting?

I got much respect for you sabre but you're wrong here.Statistics are never wrong.Everyone uses them to improve on there weaknesses and know there strengths.

About being in a big game,I was in Instanbul for the CL final(thats why i adore all players involved in that game)...you cant get bigger than that can you?

And yes i love basketball too...

by **darwisigila** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:52 pm

the current situation:

- cisse played :censored:

everytime he play
- our best striker is the one that rafa use in every game..and is not djibril ' bad first touch, can't dribble, can't beat his marker, can't heading, can't tackle' cisse.

by **el_stinger** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:01 pm

Mudface, in case you haven't got the hint before, but, FU.CK OFF!!

by **66-1137139704** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:08 pm

darwisigila wrote:the current situation:

- cisse played everytime he play
- our best striker is the one that rafa use in every game..and is not djibril ' bad first touch, can't dribble, can't beat his marker, can't heading, can't tackle' cisse.

bad first touch,
can't dribble,
can't beat his marker,
can't heading(you meant head,i pressume),
can't tackle'

For a moment i thought you were describing a hopeless fat kid playing on your playgrounds on sunday afternoon.

Cisse does not fit that description.
How else can you explain the fact that his goal tally is more than that of our other strikers combined?
Yet he has been played out of position on so many occations.

While on that,try to imagine crouch playing on the right wing :laugh:

No contest,we have more options with cisse.

by **Sabre** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:16 pm

I also have deep respect to you mudface, but I find disrespectful you assume our opinions are not well thought, and you ask yet again what are the reasons to vote what we vote.

Do you want to know what I think about counterattacks? Well, in my book a good counterattack must have the ball running, not the players. The first thing you are tought in school football is: In a counterattack don't run with the ball, pass it quickly. You can't expect always to have the fastest strikers to beat in pace the fastest defenders of the league, so a fast forward is always nice to have (but if he finishes well of course) but IT IS NOT a must. Otherwise probably only the best teams with the fastest players could play a proper counterattack right?

Statistics are important, yes, but you must read them with care. In football "an assist" is not always the most important pass in the play, there are passes and movements that as you say cannot be measured but by a human eye. Statistics must be read with care, Torres numbers say "7" goals this season in the liga, better than Morientes, but with 4 penalties thrown by him, is that much better? In my book no, and some statistics simply don't gather this info.

by **66-1137139704** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:40 pm

Sabre wrote:I also have deep respect to you mudface, but I find disrespectful you assume our opinions are not well thought, and you ask yet again what are the reasons to vote what we vote.

Statistics are important, yes, but you must read them with care. In football "an assist" is not always the most important pass in the play, there are passes and movements that as you say cannot be measured but by a human eye. Statistics must be read with care, Torres numbers say "7" goals this season in the liga, better than Morientes, but with 4 penalties thrown by him, is that much better? In my book no, and some statistics simply don't gather this info.

Thnx for the compliment;am flattered :blush:

We cannot agree always but that doesnt mean im being disrespectful of your opinions,just that i think my opinions are more sound....its the whole purpose of having a forum.

Why do i want to know the reason you voted for someone?
Curiousity i guese,am sure everyone else here wouldnt mind to know why sabre voted for morientes

sabre wrote:Do you want to know what I think about counterattacks? Well, in my book a good counterattack must have the ball running, not the players. The first thing you are tought in school football is: In a counterattack don't run with the ball, pass it quickly. You can't expect always to have the fastest strikers to beat in pace the fastest defenders of the league, so a fast forward is always nice to have (but if he finishes well of course) but IT IS NOT a must. Otherwise probably only the best teams with the fastest players could play a proper counterattack right?

I agree completely.
This is assuming you have a pacy player making a run who you can pass to.
But after making that pass,that player should have the pace to continue with his run and open up the opposition defences hoping to get the ball passed back to him to score.
The above scenario is best played with skillful,pacy players like cisse and owen or baros.

That scenario is not possible with a strike partnership of crouch-morientes.
But it could work with either one of them and cisse :nod

by **Sabre** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 4:03 pm

Curiousity i guese,am sure everyone else here wouldnt mind to know why sabre voted for morientes

I voted for Morientes for personal feelings, for once. I don't think he's the best of the lot, but I think he's the most underrated of the lot. I can't understand how Fowler can have the most votes of all when he's arrived so soon, I think my mates have voted him due to the Fowler's brilliant past, so I felt sorry for Morientes who only got one vote, and I voted him.

Not because he's Spaniard, because he's been underrated.

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