The left back situation - Is riise really the long term solution?

Liverpool Football Club - General Discussion

Postby 66-1137139704 » Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:13 pm

stu_the_red wrote:
MudFace wrote:
stmichael wrote:Traore has the positional sense of a Japanese tourist and should be shipped out imo.

I read this post as i was leaving on friday and i particulary liked the 'imo' part :D

You're a nice MOD but obviously you'd make a poor coach.
Rafa gave Traore a new five year deal starting this season.
Traore was voted the most improved player last season and Rafa knows he's a valuable young player who can only get better.
Even carra was awful when he started playing as a central defender...he scored an own goal against the mans(is that forgivable?) twice the same season!!!

Or mebbe you are a better coach than Rafa?
I wonder if you have even coached kids from your area in local tournaments.

In Rafa we trust IMOH  :D

You deserve to be banned. You are nothing but a wind up merchant.

Firstly it was a four year contract.

Secondly, who voted him most improved player? I certainly didn't.

Thirdly, would you make a good coach? Just because someone has a lack of ability to judge a player doesn't mean they are a bad coach.

Fourth, Carragher was never awful. He's always from day one been a very good player. Players don't become good, you either have it, or you don't. You can't make diamonds out of shit.

Fifth, what does mebbe mean? Are you a woolyback? Have you ever been to a Liverpool match?

Sixth, so what if he hasn't coached kids? I coach kids, i have coached some excellent young players, i've played at a good level, you don't need to do this to see a player, although it helps its not the be all and end all.

Seventh, for you to even suggest he's a premiership player shows a lack of knowledge.

Eight, how many games has he played this season?

Nine, Rafa's bloody wrong and thats the end of it. Rafa can sit there all year and tell me Traore's a good player and i won't buy it. I know a good player when i see one and Traore isn't.

Ten, get lost you manc bastard.

Firstly it was a four year contract. :)  SO?

Secondly, who voted him most improved player? I certainly didn't.

MY ANSWER:I didnt either.But it was done at the official site.

Thirdly, would you make a good coach? Just because someone has a lack of ability to judge a player doesn't mean they are a bad coach.

MY ANSWER:If you cannot jugde the ability of a player you'll certainly make a horrible coach.

Fourth, Carragher was never awful. He's always from day one been a very good player. Players don't become good, you either have it, or you don't. You can't make diamonds out of shit.

MY ANSWER:He(carra) was awful playing as a central defender under GH.
Or maybe scoring an own goal against the mancs is just bad luck,but twice in a season is horrible

Fifth, what does mebbe mean? Are you a woolyback? Have you ever been to a Liverpool match?

MY ANSWER:I have been to anfield several times,last time was in 2001.Have you???

Sixth, so what if he hasn't coached kids? I coach kids, i have coached some excellent young players, i've played at a good level, you don't need to do this to see a player, although it helps its not the be all and end all.

MY ANSWER:?!

Seventh, for you to even suggest he's a premiership player shows a lack of knowledge.

MY ANSWER:He is a premiership player playing for the Europen Champions...a title he helped us to achieve.

Eight, how many games has he played this season?

MY ANSWER:He was injured at the start of the season and yes,there is competition at left back.Riise is doing currently very well there.Squad rotation will hopefully gime him more games and maybe he can reclaim his position.Anyway competition is healthy as every player will want to be the best...its certainly brought the best out of riise.

Nine, Rafa's bloody wrong and thats the end of it. Rafa can sit there all year and tell me Traore's a good player and i won't buy it. I know a good player when i see one and Traore isn't.

MY ANSWER:No you are wrong.What qualifications do you have to know a good player more than a qualified coach would?Sitting on a couch watching the telle? :D
Ten, get lost you manc bastard.  :[B]

You could be the manc or an idiot

MY ANSWER:This is a liverpool fc discussion forum.Cant you argue your points across without name calling or insults?
Or your head cannot think of anything to argue your points acroos so you think,lets ban this fellow huh?Is that your attitude?

MY ANSWER:My advice.Grow a brain loser :angry:
66-1137139704
 

Postby drummerphil » Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:20 pm

MudFace wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:
MudFace wrote:
stmichael wrote:Traore has the positional sense of a Japanese tourist and should be shipped out imo.

I read this post as i was leaving on friday and i particulary liked the 'imo' part :D

You're a nice MOD but obviously you'd make a poor coach.
Rafa gave Traore a new five year deal starting this season.
Traore was voted the most improved player last season and Rafa knows he's a valuable young player who can only get better.
Even carra was awful when he started playing as a central defender...he scored an own goal against the mans(is that forgivable?) twice the same season!!!

Or mebbe you are a better coach than Rafa?
I wonder if you have even coached kids from your area in local tournaments.

In Rafa we trust IMOH  :D

You deserve to be banned. You are nothing but a wind up merchant.

Firstly it was a four year contract.

Secondly, who voted him most improved player? I certainly didn't.

Thirdly, would you make a good coach? Just because someone has a lack of ability to judge a player doesn't mean they are a bad coach.

Fourth, Carragher was never awful. He's always from day one been a very good player. Players don't become good, you either have it, or you don't. You can't make diamonds out of shit.

Fifth, what does mebbe mean? Are you a woolyback? Have you ever been to a Liverpool match?

Sixth, so what if he hasn't coached kids? I coach kids, i have coached some excellent young players, i've played at a good level, you don't need to do this to see a player, although it helps its not the be all and end all.

Seventh, for you to even suggest he's a premiership player shows a lack of knowledge.

Eight, how many games has he played this season?

Nine, Rafa's bloody wrong and thats the end of it. Rafa can sit there all year and tell me Traore's a good player and i won't buy it. I know a good player when i see one and Traore isn't.

Ten, get lost you manc bastard.

Firstly it was a four year contract. :)  SO?

Secondly, who voted him most improved player? I certainly didn't.

I didnt either.But it was done at the official site.

Thirdly, would you make a good coach? Just because someone has a lack of ability to judge a player doesn't mean they are a bad coach.

If you cannot jugde the ability of a player you'll certainly make a horrible coach.

Fourth, Carragher was never awful. He's always from day one been a very good player. Players don't become good, you either have it, or you don't. You can't make diamonds out of shit.

He(carra) was awful playing as a central defender under GH.
Or maybe scoring an own goal against the mancs is just bad luck,but twice in a season is horrible

Fifth, what does mebbe mean? Are you a woolyback? Have you ever been to a Liverpool match?

I have been to anfield several times,last time was in 2001.Have you???

Sixth, so what if he hasn't coached kids? I coach kids, i have coached some excellent young players, i've played at a good level, you don't need to do this to see a player, although it helps its not the be all and end all.

?!

Seventh, for you to even suggest he's a premiership player shows a lack of knowledge.

He is a premiership player playing for the Europen Champions...a title he helped us to achieve.

Eight, how many games has he played this season?

He was injured at the start of the season and yes,there is competition at left back.Riise is doing currently very well there.Squad rotation will hopefully gime him more games and maybe he can reclaim his position.Anyway competition is healthy as every player will want to be the best...its certainly brought the best out of riise.

Nine, Rafa's bloody wrong and thats the end of it. Rafa can sit there all year and tell me Traore's a good player and i won't buy it. I know a good player when i see one and Traore isn't.

No you are wrong.What qualifications do you have to know a good player more than a qualified coach would?Sitting on a couch watching the telle? :D
Ten, get lost you manc bastard.  :[B]

You could be the manc or an idiot

This is a liverpool fc discussion forum.Cant you argue your points across without name calling or insults?
Or your head cannot think of anything to argue your points acroos so you think,lets ban this fellow huh?Is that your attitude?

My advice.Grow a brain loser :angry:

yes this is a liverpool discussion forum and we welcome debate.What we dont welcome is the sh!te you post,your racist comments and racial pictures being posted.

you have two warnings already against your name ,so keep causing arguments and posting sh!te and see how long you last........

now :censored: off
Image
my reason for living

   
Image





Bob Paisley : "Still we've had the hard times too - one year we finished second."

...
User avatar
drummerphil
>> LFC Elite Member <<
 
Posts: 4864
Joined: Wed May 26, 2004 7:13 pm
Location: on a cloud

Postby redmikey » Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:21 pm

You are always on the wind up mate . Do you not get sick of being wrong all time................

Traore is not good enought full stop.

Maybe he is not a left back and could do a cracking job a centre back but would any one put him there ?    no nor would I. 

Rafa extented his contract instead of selling him to the bitters because we were shoort at that time. he will be shipped out with cissie but rafa dosn't keep dead wood around to long.
User avatar
redmikey
LFC Super Member
 
Posts: 1259
Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2005 3:06 pm
Location: chester

Postby AussieKopite » Tue Jan 31, 2006 11:08 am

drummerphil wrote:
MudFace wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:
MudFace wrote:
stmichael wrote:Traore has the positional sense of a Japanese tourist and should be shipped out imo.

I read this post as i was leaving on friday and i particulary liked the 'imo' part :D

You're a nice MOD but obviously you'd make a poor coach.
Rafa gave Traore a new five year deal starting this season.
Traore was voted the most improved player last season and Rafa knows he's a valuable young player who can only get better.
Even carra was awful when he started playing as a central defender...he scored an own goal against the mans(is that forgivable?) twice the same season!!!

Or mebbe you are a better coach than Rafa?
I wonder if you have even coached kids from your area in local tournaments.

In Rafa we trust IMOH  :D

You deserve to be banned. You are nothing but a wind up merchant.

Firstly it was a four year contract.

Secondly, who voted him most improved player? I certainly didn't.

Thirdly, would you make a good coach? Just because someone has a lack of ability to judge a player doesn't mean they are a bad coach.

Fourth, Carragher was never awful. He's always from day one been a very good player. Players don't become good, you either have it, or you don't. You can't make diamonds out of shit.

Fifth, what does mebbe mean? Are you a woolyback? Have you ever been to a Liverpool match?

Sixth, so what if he hasn't coached kids? I coach kids, i have coached some excellent young players, i've played at a good level, you don't need to do this to see a player, although it helps its not the be all and end all.

Seventh, for you to even suggest he's a premiership player shows a lack of knowledge.

Eight, how many games has he played this season?

Nine, Rafa's bloody wrong and thats the end of it. Rafa can sit there all year and tell me Traore's a good player and i won't buy it. I know a good player when i see one and Traore isn't.

Ten, get lost you manc bastard.

Firstly it was a four year contract. :)  SO?

Secondly, who voted him most improved player? I certainly didn't.

I didnt either.But it was done at the official site.

Thirdly, would you make a good coach? Just because someone has a lack of ability to judge a player doesn't mean they are a bad coach.

If you cannot jugde the ability of a player you'll certainly make a horrible coach.

Fourth, Carragher was never awful. He's always from day one been a very good player. Players don't become good, you either have it, or you don't. You can't make diamonds out of shit.

He(carra) was awful playing as a central defender under GH.
Or maybe scoring an own goal against the mancs is just bad luck,but twice in a season is horrible

Fifth, what does mebbe mean? Are you a woolyback? Have you ever been to a Liverpool match?

I have been to anfield several times,last time was in 2001.Have you???

Sixth, so what if he hasn't coached kids? I coach kids, i have coached some excellent young players, i've played at a good level, you don't need to do this to see a player, although it helps its not the be all and end all.

?!

Seventh, for you to even suggest he's a premiership player shows a lack of knowledge.

He is a premiership player playing for the Europen Champions...a title he helped us to achieve.

Eight, how many games has he played this season?

He was injured at the start of the season and yes,there is competition at left back.Riise is doing currently very well there.Squad rotation will hopefully gime him more games and maybe he can reclaim his position.Anyway competition is healthy as every player will want to be the best...its certainly brought the best out of riise.

Nine, Rafa's bloody wrong and thats the end of it. Rafa can sit there all year and tell me Traore's a good player and i won't buy it. I know a good player when i see one and Traore isn't.

No you are wrong.What qualifications do you have to know a good player more than a qualified coach would?Sitting on a couch watching the telle? :D
Ten, get lost you manc bastard.  :[B]

You could be the manc or an idiot

This is a liverpool fc discussion forum.Cant you argue your points across without name calling or insults?
Or your head cannot think of anything to argue your points acroos so you think,lets ban this fellow huh?Is that your attitude?

My advice.Grow a brain loser :angry:

yes this is a liverpool discussion forum and we welcome debate.What we dont welcome is the sh!te you post,your racist comments and racial pictures being posted.

you have two warnings already against your name ,so keep causing arguments and posting sh!te and see how long you last........

now :censored: off

Maybe it was an English expression, but where was the racist comment by Mudface?
You'll never walk alone.

Twitter: @AussieKopite
User avatar
AussieKopite
>> LFC Elite Member <<
 
Posts: 1469
Joined: Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:19 am
Location: Brisbane, Australia

Postby MaxBoida » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:13 pm

Weaving my way through the slanging match - back to the topic. Although in another post I've stated Riise is my favourite player, I get jittery when he is left back, sometimes it quite disconcerting to see him up at the corner flag with the ball.
If we had it in us to have a Wing Back formation, I reckon he would be the perfect player on the left, but as a straight out left back I'd rather see someone else there - even Traore (I wish everyone would stop bagging him - Istanbul guys, goalline ring a bell?)
I've not seen enough of Warnock to pass comment...
God's job's a good 'un - Robbie Fowler
User avatar
MaxBoida
 
Posts: 19
Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2006 9:47 pm
Location: Australia

Postby 66-1137139704 » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:26 pm

MaxBoida wrote:Weaving my way through the slanging match - back to the topic. Although in another post I've stated Riise is my favourite player, I get jittery when he is left back, sometimes it quite disconcerting to see him up at the corner flag with the ball.
If we had it in us to have a Wing Back formation, I reckon he would be the perfect player on the left, but as a straight out left back I'd rather see someone else there - even Traore (I wish everyone would stop bagging him - Istanbul guys, goalline ring a bell?)
I've not seen enough of Warnock to pass comment...

Welcome to the boards MaxBoida.
Am glad you seem to agree with me on giving traore a chance as he has already proved he can do well when given the opportunity...the CL final being a good example.

Anyway you see those two yellow boxes below my username?
You get those for expressing your opinions without fear.
It means am a two star general :)

Happy posting :eyebrow
66-1137139704
 

Postby JC_81 » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:36 pm

Of the 3 candidates:

1.  Traore - you can count him out right away, he can't be trusted.  Can't be bothered typing out why yet again

2.  Warnock I expected to get more of a chance this season, but Benitez clearly prefers Riise.  Warnock's young but he's not a kid, he's 23/24 now not 18.  His commitment is good and he looks a decent player but positionally he's suspect.  Due to his lack of starts this season I don't think Benitez sees him as good enough long term.  Personally though I'd like to see what he could do if given a good run in the side.

3.  Riise.  The classic wing back, a decent left midfielder and a decent left back, but would ideally be suited to playing wing back.  Defensively he's been dodgy in the past but he's improved that this season to be fair.  Seems like he's established as the number 1 left back this season and I don't see that changing.  Left back is not a problem position imo with Riise and Warnock on the books.
JC_81
>> LFC Elite Member <<
 
Posts: 5296
Joined: Thu Jan 30, 2003 9:57 pm

Postby AussieKopite » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:52 pm

john craig wrote:Of the 3 candidates:

1.  Traore - you can count him out right away, he can't be trusted.  Can't be bothered typing out why yet again

2.  Warnock I expected to get more of a chance this season, but Benitez clearly prefers Riise.  Warnock's young but he's not a kid, he's 23/24 now not 18.  His commitment is good and he looks a decent player but positionally he's suspect.  Due to his lack of starts this season I don't think Benitez sees him as good enough long term.  Personally though I'd like to see what he could do if given a good run in the side.

3.  Riise.  The classic wing back, a decent left midfielder and a decent left back, but would ideally be suited to playing wing back.  Defensively he's been dodgy in the past but he's improved that this season to be fair.  Seems like he's established as the number 1 left back this season and I don't see that changing.  Left back is not a problem position imo with Riise and Warnock on the books.

Couldn't have said it better myself. As for Traore being given a new 4 year contract, maybe Benitez wants to make sure that Traore doesn't leave on a free and so that with a 4 year contract, he can ask for a decent transfer fee.
You'll never walk alone.

Twitter: @AussieKopite
User avatar
AussieKopite
>> LFC Elite Member <<
 
Posts: 1469
Joined: Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:19 am
Location: Brisbane, Australia

Postby madred » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:55 pm

Lets all praise Traore for the goaline clearance?? Lets not mention the greatest ever own goal i have ever witnessed. Also never mention the countless number of times he has made reckless tackles, been out of position and simply been one of the worst players i have ever witnessed to pull on a red shirt. I hope and pray that he never plays for Liverpool again as this guy can lose a game with 1 moment of madness.
Image
User avatar
madred
>> LFC Elite Member <<
 
Posts: 1124
Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2004 1:22 pm
Location: Liverpool of course

Postby MaxBoida » Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:26 pm

In my eyes, 1 goalline clearance that helps us win our fifth champions trophy more than makes up for countless errors and bad positioning. Lets face it, if my maths is right, it would have made it 4-3 :( 
No player that puts on a red shirt is bad.... thats what makes us as strong as we are!
However, like i said earlier his time is up and Aussiekopite makes a good point. I would like to see a nice cheap signing of Finnan calibre, no big spending, and no testing out youth products (off the bench maybe ok)
God's job's a good 'un - Robbie Fowler
User avatar
MaxBoida
 
Posts: 19
Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2006 9:47 pm
Location: Australia

Postby oakton » Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:26 pm

Tarore is better than Cisse IMO.
User avatar
oakton
 
Posts: 367
Joined: Fri May 14, 2004 5:36 pm

Postby stmichael » Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:36 pm

oakton wrote:Tarore is better than Cisse IMO.

wtf are you talking about?
User avatar
stmichael
Forum Moderator
 
Posts: 22644
Joined: Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:06 pm
Location: Middlesbrough

Postby madred » Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:39 pm

With all due respect Maxboida im dreading your next topic on Dudek being the greatest keeper ever because of that Shevchenko save. :D
Image
User avatar
madred
>> LFC Elite Member <<
 
Posts: 1124
Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2004 1:22 pm
Location: Liverpool of course

Postby JC_81 » Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:59 pm

MaxBoida wrote:No player that puts on a red shirt is bad.... thats what makes us as strong as we are!

:laugh:  :D  :laugh:  :D

If only that were true
JC_81
>> LFC Elite Member <<
 
Posts: 5296
Joined: Thu Jan 30, 2003 9:57 pm

Postby 66-1137139704 » Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:06 pm

madred wrote:Lets all praise Traore for the goaline clearance?? Lets not mention the greatest ever own goal i have ever witnessed. Also never mention the countless number of times he has made reckless tackles, been out of position and simply been one of the worst players i have ever witnessed to pull on a red shirt. I hope and pray that he never plays for Liverpool again as this guy can lose a game with 1 moment of madness.

what qualifies you to make such a harsh judgement on a player who helped us win the Champions League?
You probably think you can make a better coach than rafa,huh?

Traore has played well against tough opposition with skillful right wingers who would have made a fool of him if he were that bad.
If i remember correctly until recently(riise is in oustanding form),Rafa has played him in all the big matches and he has never disappointed in keeping the likes of c.ronaldo,duff,robben and even Real Betis' much talked about winger Joaquin,quiet during games.

Open your eyes sheep,Traore is still a valuable player for us IMOH  :laugh:
66-1137139704
 

PreviousNext

Return to Liverpool FC - General Discussion

 


  • Related topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], Google [Bot] and 72 guests

  • Advertisement
ShopTill-e