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by **stmichael** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:20 pm

Personally i would now start The Pong ahead of Cisse. He has better control, better movement, more awareness and from what i have seen is a better finisher.

by **bedlovedays** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:04 pm

relax, we still have two games in hand
we'll get second
cisse will come through
don't slag the team they did well
cisse missed one but it was ruled offside anyway
have you forgotten the crouch shot from 8 yards that went right into the defender. the one he should have passed across to cisse.......

by **A.B.** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:10 pm

bedlovedays wrote:relax, we still have two games in hand
we'll get second
cisse will come through
don't slag the team they did well
cisse missed one but it was ruled offside anyway
have you forgotten the crouch shot from 8 yards that went right into the defender. the one he should have passed across to cisse.......

Cisse will come through how exactly? You make that comment based on what performances exactly because I can count on my fingers how many good performances he's put in. And it isn't more than 2 games I guarantee you that.

by **JBG** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:18 pm

I've pretty much kept my counsel on Cisse until now but I can categorically say that he's a poor player who is only playing at the top level because of his extraordinary and freakish pace. He has limited ability on the ball - his first touch is average and dribbling ability and tricks run of the mill and nothing special. However, his greatest weakness is a complete inability to read a game and a complete lack of footballing intelligence. I remember watching the home game against Monaco in the Champions League last season and despite scoring, he had a dreadul game, constantly being caught offside. I thought (or hoped) it was a once off at the time but since I have seen it repeated game after game. His doesn't understand or comprehend his team mates, makes the wrong decisions and often wastes good possession with overelaboration.

All of this would be (sort of) forgiveable if he was a ruthless finisher but unfortunately he is not and his rather limited in front of goal.

I had hoped at one stage that Cisse would develop along the lines of Samuel Eto'o (who, up until 2 years ago was an over rated speed merchant with no much else to his game) but sadly, that doesn't look like happening.

I think one of the hardest things for fans to swallow is Cisse's lack of workrate and spoilt brat attitude on the pitch. Last season he made many fans with his hard work and dedication in coming back from a terrible injury, but much of that good will has now disapated.

Its clear Rafa doesn't rate Cisse at all and I'll wager he'll be sold in the summer. In fact, I think Rafa has or soon will let Cisse know that he is going, much in the same way Baros knew what was in store for him last year.

I don't think we'll be here this time next year fretting about Cisse, I really think his goose is cooked in so far as Liverpool goes.

by **A.B.** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:22 pm

Cisse is in a way similar to Baros except that Baros didn't have the pace as Cisse but had the better workrate. Both of them don't have enough inteligence on the ball, although I think Baros is more gifted in that area than Cisse. But that's not really saying much.

Both lack awareness for the most part and don't have enough composure in front of goal. Both players are horrible one on one with the goalkeeper. The amount of chances Baros missed from one on one opportunities was astonishing. Cisse is doing it from all over the place.

He will be off in the summer, no doubt about it.

by **stmichael** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:27 pm

Arsene Wenger 9 times out of 10 gets the best talent in France for Arsenal, he is also obsessed with attacking players who have great pace and skill. When we were interested in signing Cisse, Wenger never showed even a smidgeon of interest in Cisse, this made me wonder as all I knew about Cisse was how fast he was and that he scored goals in France. Even to this day, it astounds me that the likes of Barcelona were interested in him before he came to us.

Now I know exactly why Wenger didn't show any interest:

None but the slow or the slow-witted would attempt to deny that scorching pace is an invaluable weapon in football. But it was no surprise to find Arsène Wenger emphasising that speed on the field is effective strictly in proportion to the intelligence applying it. We have all seen players who go nowhere in a blur of velocity. The Arsenal manager was talking about his new recruit, the £12m 16-year-old Theo Walcott, who is credited with covering 100m in 11.5 seconds. “Pace is an asset only when you also understand when to go and where to go,” said Wenger, adding with satisfaction that young Walcott seemed well attuned to those requirements.

The healthy simplicity of the Frenchman’s observations is typically reassuring. We can be confident that English football’s latest prodigy will be made to realise the game must be learnt before it can be conquered.

by **A.B.** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:30 pm

“Pace is an asset only when you also understand when to go and where to go,”

And Cisse doesn't have the intelligence to know where and when to go .

by **John Barnes** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:33 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
thombobb wrote:Think people should move on.The personal abuse the kid is getting, not just on this forum is way over the top.Lets remember he's still a Liverpool player.
I hope the abuse doesn't mean Cisse becomes a target for the boo boys,can't remember any Liverpool player being abused that way by the home crowd...

He is sh*t though.

I'd rather have Sean Dundee upfront.

Id rather have Mick Dundee.

by **Rafarian** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:09 am

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
2520years wrote:Our midfield didn't contribute much up front either. When you consider who we had in the middle compared to who they had, we should have achieved more from the middle of the park. ManUre were playing for the draw until the last ten minutes, so there wasn't much space to build attacks. However, I blame our midfield for not dominating the game AND THEN Cisse for squandering what little we did create.

If our midfield didn't dominate the game, who did then??

Cos' i didn't see any dominance from the mancs midfield? We won the midfield battle, we just weren't attacking when we had possesion. The ball kept returning to the back four, we need some creativity, someone to take the game to the mancs

If one view the post match on LIV vs MU game, its proven that LIV have dominated the game in midfield.

MU cant even come close to dominate the midfield! Yup they scored and we lost.....thats football. We shouldn't be down bout this coz this is not the end of it. :cool:

Looking forward to our next meeting.....that would be definetly another story.

:buttrock

by **el_stinger** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:14 am

Would Cisse have behaved this way if Houllier was still in charge? I mean, he obviously is not faring well in games, and hanging his head, and not competing for second balls, and the like, but if Houllier was here, the man that originally signed him, it would be interesting to see.....

by **Rafarian** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:23 am

Yes, there's lots of negative issues around but looking back at LIV currrent seasson compared to 04/05 there a plently of positives in this team! Liverpool shall be getting better and better and better.....

BATTLE LOST BUT WAR WILL BE WON
Ian Doyle 23 January 2006 @ http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/

The latest battle for north-west supremacy may have been lost but there's no doubt in my mind that Liverpool are on the right tracks to ultimately winning the war..

Despite the obvious disappointment at losing to Manchester United on Sunday I firmly believe the Reds still have it within their capabilities of finishing second in the Premiership this season.

Old Trafford has always been a difficult place for Liverpool to go and so it proved again. But, despite this latest setback, second spot remains up for grabs and let's not forget the impressive unbeaten run that preceded this agonising 1-0 defeat.

Finishing above Manchester United this season though will not mean Rafa's job is done. Far from it. It's not a matter of just doing it this season. They have to do it again the following season, then the season after that and so on because that's what United have done since the Premiership started. I think there's only been one season where they have finished outside the top two and it's this type of consistency which Benitez is striving for.

I do think Liverpool have moved ahead of Arsenal and, in spite of yesterday's reversal in Manchester, they can now legitimately claim to pose the biggest threat to Premiership leaders Chelsea.

The only concern for them at the moment is Chelsea's spending power. The Londoners have got so much money they can just go out and buy whoever they want. Unfortunately, this means everyone else is just playing for second place right now but that shouldn't detract from the great work that has been undertaken by Rafael Benitez.

If you look at what he did at Valencia, who he transformed into the best team in Spain, ahead of Barcelona and Real Madrid, it should come as no surprise. It took him a season to get used to life in the Premiership but now he's starting to do the same with Liverpool. Just look at the players he brought in the summer - Sissoko, Crouch, Zenden and Reina – they have all come in and strengthened the side.

Real progress is being made at Anfield and the style of play is a lot more attractive than under the previous regime. Defensively, there are few problems. In Sami Hyypia and Jamie Carragher they have two rock-like figures who are the foundation stone for the team. Midfield, however, is where they are particularly strong and there is probably no other side who can boast more strength in this department.

As a unit I think the team is a lot more enterprising going forward these days – a fact proven by how the goals have been shared around this season – but I'd say the only area that could be deemed as in need of improvement is up front. Liverpool do create plenty of chances but sometimes it seems to me that they are just missing a prolific out and out goalscorer to put them away, so I'd say the signing of another striker should be next on the list during this transfer window.

Another important factor under Benitez is that he turned Anfield into a fortress again. I remember not too long ago that opposing teams would come here without fear but that is not the case any more. Teams are genuinely scared about the prospect of playing Liverpool away, so much so thatthey sit back and play defensively in the hope of snatching a point. That's how it always used to be during the halcyon days of the sixties, seventies and eighties.

For example, when United came to Anfield in September they played a 4-5-1 formation with Wayne Rooney stuck out on the left wing and it finished 0-0. Two years ago they would never have done that.

Liverpool also know how to break teams down a lot better when they come to Anfield to defend and that is a testament to the hard work done on the training field at Melwood. Players know their positions and there is a good balance to the team. While Steven Gerrard is the driving force of the team,for me Xabi Alonso is the man who keeps it going and dictates the play. That's why Gerrard can break into the box and make the type of runs he does. I also think Sissoko is going to be a key player for Liverpool in the future as he continues to impress. Then there's Harry Kewell. I know he's come in for a lot of stick but he's starting to show now what a good player he can be.

So while there will be a lot of disappointed Liverpool fans out there today the bigger picture is that this club is on the up and there's no doubt more progress will be made under the astute guidance of Rafael Benitez.

Defeat at Old Trafford is always a bitter pill to swallow but there is so much for this Liverpool team to play for between now and the end of the season that there is every likelihood it will be swilled down by the sweet taste of champagne once again come May.

"Agi Idup Agi Ngelaban"

by **Rafarian** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:37 am

Liverpool has always been the best........the envy of any EPL teams like MU, Chelsea and Arsenal!

Records show:

League Champions 18
1900-01 1905-06 1921-22 1922-23 1946-47
1963-64 1965-66 1972-73 1975-76 1976-77
1978-79 1979-80 1981-82 1982-83 1983-84
1985-86 1987-88 1989-90

Division Two Winners 4
1893-94 1895-96 1904-05 1961-62

Lancashire League Winners 1
1892-93

Football Association Challenge Cup Winners 6
1964-65 1973-74 1985-86 1988-89 1991-92
2000-2001

League Cup Winners 7
1980-81 1981-82 1982-83 1983-84 1994-95
2000-01 2002-03

Football Association Charity Shield Winners 14
1964* 1965* 1966 1974 1976
1977* 1979 1980 1982 1986*
1988 1989 1990* 2001 ( * shared)

European Cup Winners 5
1976-77 1977-78 1980-81 1983-84 2004-05

UEFA Cup Winners 3
1972-73 1975-76 2000-01

European Super Cup Winners 3
1977 2001 2005

Super Cup Winners 1
1985-86

Carlsberg Trophy 3
1997-98 1998-99 1999-2000

Reserves Division One Winners 16
1956-57 1968-69 1969-70 1970-71 1972-73
1973-74 1974-75 1975-76 1976-77 1978-79
1980-81 1981-82 1983-84 1984-85 1989-90
1999-2000

FA Youth Cup Winners 1
1995-96

The Liverpool FC Trophy Cabinet :cool:

League Champions European Cup FA Cup League Cup
Liverpool 18 Liverpool 5 Liverpool 6 Liverpool 7

History shows it all............more will come!!!!!

by **akumaface** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:09 am

Honestly, I think if Cisse doesn't changes his attitude, he is not going to succeed anywhere. He appears to be a very confident person but that is what's eating him inside as he believe he is better than anyone thinks. It's no use to simply believe it is him against the rest of us. He has to realize he has flaws and really need to work hard on it. He is too one dimensional and doesn't have any awareness and should ask rafa for help. Maybe he is just too proud to ask. But as many of you had suggested, he is not going to be here long. he is a sure bet to be gone during the summer probably back to France.

by **Sarge** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:14 am

Rafarian wrote:Yes, there's lots of negative issues around but looking back at LIV currrent seasson compared to 04/05 there a plently of positives in this team! Liverpool shall be getting better and better and better.....

BATTLE LOST BUT WAR WILL BE WON
Ian Doyle 23 January 2006 @ http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/

The latest battle for north-west supremacy may have been lost but there's no doubt in my mind that Liverpool are on the right tracks to ultimately winning the war..

Despite the obvious disappointment at losing to Manchester United on Sunday I firmly believe the Reds still have it within their capabilities of finishing second in the Premiership this season.

Old Trafford has always been a difficult place for Liverpool to go and so it proved again. But, despite this latest setback, second spot remains up for grabs and let's not forget the impressive unbeaten run that preceded this agonising 1-0 defeat.

Finishing above Manchester United this season though will not mean Rafa's job is done. Far from it. It's not a matter of just doing it this season. They have to do it again the following season, then the season after that and so on because that's what United have done since the Premiership started. I think there's only been one season where they have finished outside the top two and it's this type of consistency which Benitez is striving for.

I do think Liverpool have moved ahead of Arsenal and, in spite of yesterday's reversal in Manchester, they can now legitimately claim to pose the biggest threat to Premiership leaders Chelsea.

The only concern for them at the moment is Chelsea's spending power. The Londoners have got so much money they can just go out and buy whoever they want. Unfortunately, this means everyone else is just playing for second place right now but that shouldn't detract from the great work that has been undertaken by Rafael Benitez.

If you look at what he did at Valencia, who he transformed into the best team in Spain, ahead of Barcelona and Real Madrid, it should come as no surprise. It took him a season to get used to life in the Premiership but now he's starting to do the same with Liverpool. Just look at the players he brought in the summer - Sissoko, Crouch, Zenden and Reina – they have all come in and strengthened the side.

Real progress is being made at Anfield and the style of play is a lot more attractive than under the previous regime. Defensively, there are few problems. In Sami Hyypia and Jamie Carragher they have two rock-like figures who are the foundation stone for the team. Midfield, however, is where they are particularly strong and there is probably no other side who can boast more strength in this department.

As a unit I think the team is a lot more enterprising going forward these days – a fact proven by how the goals have been shared around this season – but I'd say the only area that could be deemed as in need of improvement is up front. Liverpool do create plenty of chances but sometimes it seems to me that they are just missing a prolific out and out goalscorer to put them away, so I'd say the signing of another striker should be next on the list during this transfer window.

Another important factor under Benitez is that he turned Anfield into a fortress again. I remember not too long ago that opposing teams would come here without fear but that is not the case any more. Teams are genuinely scared about the prospect of playing Liverpool away, so much so thatthey sit back and play defensively in the hope of snatching a point. That's how it always used to be during the halcyon days of the sixties, seventies and eighties.

For example, when United came to Anfield in September they played a 4-5-1 formation with Wayne Rooney stuck out on the left wing and it finished 0-0. Two years ago they would never have done that.

Liverpool also know how to break teams down a lot better when they come to Anfield to defend and that is a testament to the hard work done on the training field at Melwood. Players know their positions and there is a good balance to the team. While Steven Gerrard is the driving force of the team,for me Xabi Alonso is the man who keeps it going and dictates the play. That's why Gerrard can break into the box and make the type of runs he does. I also think Sissoko is going to be a key player for Liverpool in the future as he continues to impress. Then there's Harry Kewell. I know he's come in for a lot of stick but he's starting to show now what a good player he can be.

So while there will be a lot of disappointed Liverpool fans out there today the bigger picture is that this club is on the up and there's no doubt more progress will be made under the astute guidance of Rafael Benitez.

Defeat at Old Trafford is always a bitter pill to swallow but there is so much for this Liverpool team to play for between now and the end of the season that there is every likelihood it will be swilled down by the sweet taste of champagne once again come May.

"Agi Idup Agi Ngelaban"

sarawakian eh? apa kabar?

by **Rafarian** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:21 am

Sarge wrote:
Rafarian wrote:Yes, there's lots of negative issues around but looking back at LIV currrent seasson compared to 04/05 there a plently of positives in this team! Liverpool shall be getting better and better and better.....

BATTLE LOST BUT WAR WILL BE WON
Ian Doyle 23 January 2006 @ http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/

The latest battle for north-west supremacy may have been lost but there's no doubt in my mind that Liverpool are on the right tracks to ultimately winning the war..

Despite the obvious disappointment at losing to Manchester United on Sunday I firmly believe the Reds still have it within their capabilities of finishing second in the Premiership this season.

Old Trafford has always been a difficult place for Liverpool to go and so it proved again. But, despite this latest setback, second spot remains up for grabs and let's not forget the impressive unbeaten run that preceded this agonising 1-0 defeat.

Finishing above Manchester United this season though will not mean Rafa's job is done. Far from it. It's not a matter of just doing it this season. They have to do it again the following season, then the season after that and so on because that's what United have done since the Premiership started. I think there's only been one season where they have finished outside the top two and it's this type of consistency which Benitez is striving for.

I do think Liverpool have moved ahead of Arsenal and, in spite of yesterday's reversal in Manchester, they can now legitimately claim to pose the biggest threat to Premiership leaders Chelsea.

The only concern for them at the moment is Chelsea's spending power. The Londoners have got so much money they can just go out and buy whoever they want. Unfortunately, this means everyone else is just playing for second place right now but that shouldn't detract from the great work that has been undertaken by Rafael Benitez.

If you look at what he did at Valencia, who he transformed into the best team in Spain, ahead of Barcelona and Real Madrid, it should come as no surprise. It took him a season to get used to life in the Premiership but now he's starting to do the same with Liverpool. Just look at the players he brought in the summer - Sissoko, Crouch, Zenden and Reina – they have all come in and strengthened the side.

Real progress is being made at Anfield and the style of play is a lot more attractive than under the previous regime. Defensively, there are few problems. In Sami Hyypia and Jamie Carragher they have two rock-like figures who are the foundation stone for the team. Midfield, however, is where they are particularly strong and there is probably no other side who can boast more strength in this department.

As a unit I think the team is a lot more enterprising going forward these days – a fact proven by how the goals have been shared around this season – but I'd say the only area that could be deemed as in need of improvement is up front. Liverpool do create plenty of chances but sometimes it seems to me that they are just missing a prolific out and out goalscorer to put them away, so I'd say the signing of another striker should be next on the list during this transfer window.

Another important factor under Benitez is that he turned Anfield into a fortress again. I remember not too long ago that opposing teams would come here without fear but that is not the case any more. Teams are genuinely scared about the prospect of playing Liverpool away, so much so thatthey sit back and play defensively in the hope of snatching a point. That's how it always used to be during the halcyon days of the sixties, seventies and eighties.

For example, when United came to Anfield in September they played a 4-5-1 formation with Wayne Rooney stuck out on the left wing and it finished 0-0. Two years ago they would never have done that.

Liverpool also know how to break teams down a lot better when they come to Anfield to defend and that is a testament to the hard work done on the training field at Melwood. Players know their positions and there is a good balance to the team. While Steven Gerrard is the driving force of the team,for me Xabi Alonso is the man who keeps it going and dictates the play. That's why Gerrard can break into the box and make the type of runs he does. I also think Sissoko is going to be a key player for Liverpool in the future as he continues to impress. Then there's Harry Kewell. I know he's come in for a lot of stick but he's starting to show now what a good player he can be.

So while there will be a lot of disappointed Liverpool fans out there today the bigger picture is that this club is on the up and there's no doubt more progress will be made under the astute guidance of Rafael Benitez.

Defeat at Old Trafford is always a bitter pill to swallow but there is so much for this Liverpool team to play for between now and the end of the season that there is every likelihood it will be swilled down by the sweet taste of champagne once again come May.

"Agi Idup Agi Ngelaban"

sarawakian eh? apa kabar?

Sarawakian too? We don't worship :devil:

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