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by **A.B.** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:58 pm

dawson99 wrote:AB u r saying he should have 20 goals and its only january 7th?
Do we remember how crouch was scoring earlier on?

All im saying is that considering what cisse has been through and the ability we know he has he doesnt deserve the non stop harrassment most of you guys give him.
If he had scored the penalty would any of this banter be going on?

Yes I am saying that he should have 20 goals, don't give me ''it's January 7th'' bullshit. We've played more games than any other side in the country, our season started in July. He's had that many clear cut opportunities to score.

He's scored some fantastic goals but is missing too often when he shouldn't. I've seen players miss chances, but the one's he's missed is harder to miss than score.

by **Ciggy** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:00 pm

Strikers in the prem need pace to terrify defenders ask any defender what scares them the most, and its pace.
Crouch and Morientes wont scare anyone sorry.
Both are slow, Nando has more tactical knowledge of the game than Crouch.
But we will NOT be tearing teams apart with 2 target men upfront, its one or the other.
Morientes and Pongolle, or Crouch and Cisse, or Cisse and Pongolle.
Our goal difference should be 100 by now the amount of crosses coming into that box, its just we have got a proper fox in the box thats letting us down.

by **dawson99** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:00 pm

and crouch did the same but we all perservered and look what happened.
All im saying is wed be stupid to see cisse now.
Pongolle did make a difference, dont get me wrong, but he cant do it 90 mins every game. hes like a 20 min super sub at the moment.
Cisse was playing more right wing again. Everyone on the pitch was missing chances.
and 14 goals is not a bad tally. id like to see any of our other strikers who are anywhere near that considering how many games cisse has been benched

by **Garymac** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:00 pm

Ciggy hes fast but thats it, end of, he has nothing else to back himself up, look at pongolle, comes on, 5 minutes later he gets close to a defender spins off him makes a great run and gerrard picks him out, im not saying play to target men but Mori plays off crouch better than him.

Just tell me Ciggy if cisse had no pace, what part of his game would you like most?

But to be honest there is some sh!te teams at that World Cup and if we kept hold of him till the summer we could well get a few more bob for him.....Remember Diouf anyone???

by **shanks** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:04 pm

people talk about cisse i am still open on that 1,crouch i am not convinced he can step up another level coming to liverpool,i think we need in the summer at least 1 proven or better world class striker, pongo allright he scored to day but i think he cannot hold down regular starting role in the first team, moro seen is best days behind him, but who do we get?

by **A.B.** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:05 pm

cisses_gona_get_ya wrote:Strikers in the prem need pace to terrify defenders ask any defender what scares them the most, and its pace.
Crouch and Morientes wont scare anyone sorry.
Both are slow, Nando has more tactical knowledge of the game than Crouch.
But we will NOT be tearing teams apart with 2 target men upfront, its one or the other.
Morientes and Pongolle, or Crouch and Cisse, or Cisse and Pongolle.
Our goal difference should be 100 by now the amount of crosses coming into that box, its just we have got a proper fox in the box thats letting us down.

The only problem with that theory is that Cisse is not the fox in the box type of striker and he will never will be.

by **dawson99** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:06 pm

but neither will crouch, moro, pongolle...

we need someone who can just get the goals. the mancs have the horse, we need someone similar, someone who will just poke them in

by **Ciggy** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:07 pm

Garymac wrote:Ciggy hes fast but thats it, end of, he has nothing else to back himself up, look at pongolle, comes on, 5 minutes later he gets close to a defender spins off him makes a great run and gerrard picks him out, im not saying play to target men but Mori plays off crouch better than him.

Just tell me Ciggy if cisse had no pace, what part of his game would you like most?

But to be honest there is some sh!te teams at that World Cup and if we kept hold of him till the summer we could well get a few more bob for him.....Remember Diouf anyone???

Well Im gona put a spanner in the works here, I dont rate Morientes I dont think he is cut out for the prem.
Cisse can change his game under Rafa, but I cannot see why people critise Cisse constanly and leave Morietes alone just cause he came from Real Madrid.
Id I had my choice neither would be in the team, sell the 2 and buy Dirk Kuijt but thats just my opinion.

by **Alonso14** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:11 pm

We have got players who can play and hold the ball up well, we haven't got a proper goal scorer in my opinion. I was hoping at the begening of the season that cisse could develop in to this player, 20 Premership goals. A guy who can score headers, a guy who could get the scrappy ones, a guy who would be quiet all game and pop up in the 92nd minute and score, a proper striker. Unfortunaly he lacked the cutting edge.

Saying that nor have chelsea, they rely on the midfield to do there part (like us) and they are. So i wouldnt say thats whats seperating us from 1st and 2nd. Too be honest im not sure what is. We are however are only 1 or 2 players away from matching them squad wise. I think we mite have a better first team.

by **yckatbjywtbiastkamb** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:12 pm

Garymac wrote:Ciggy hes fast but thats it, end of, he has nothing else to back himself up, look at pongolle, comes on, 5 minutes later he gets close to a defender spins off him makes a great run and gerrard picks him out, im not saying play to target men but Mori plays off crouch better than him.

Just tell me Ciggy if cisse had no pace, what part of his game would you like most?

But to be honest there is some sh!te teams at that World Cup and if we kept hold of him till the summer we could well get a few more bob for him.....Remember Diouf anyone???

yeah but there`s been games where pongolles come on or started and done nothing.
we`ve a decent balance up front at the moment because when one strikers not working we bring someone else on who tends to shake up a game. cisse`s had the effect sinama did tonight on a few occasions as well.
i think its working, we are scoring plenty and playing the best stuff since maybe the mid nineties probably late eighties.
the way we are set up now is like the seventies, we get goals from all over the shop and dont need a fox in the box type.
the most keegan scored for us in the league was 15 goals but no one complained when the league titles came rolling in.
at the same time you had your mcdonalds and latchfords with their 30 goals a season but it didnt worry bob paisley where the goals came from as long as they came.

by **Alonso14** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:13 pm

cisses_gona_get_ya wrote:
Garymac wrote:Ciggy hes fast but thats it, end of, he has nothing else to back himself up, look at pongolle, comes on, 5 minutes later he gets close to a defender spins off him makes a great run and gerrard picks him out, im not saying play to target men but Mori plays off crouch better than him.

Just tell me Ciggy if cisse had no pace, what part of his game would you like most?

But to be honest there is some sh!te teams at that World Cup and if we kept hold of him till the summer we could well get a few more bob for him.....Remember Diouf anyone???

Well Im gona put a spanner in the works here, I dont rate Morientes I dont think he is cut out for the prem.
Cisse can change his game under Rafa, but I cannot see why people critise Cisse constanly and leave Morietes alone just cause he came from Real Madrid.
Id I had my choice neither would be in the team, sell the 2 and buy Dirk Kuijt but thats just my opinion.

Tobe fair Morientes gets hes fair share of hammerings as well CGGY.

by **dawson99** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:13 pm

Alonso14 wrote:We have got players who can play and hold the ball up well, we haven't got a proper goal scorer in my opinion. I was hoping at the being of the season that cisse could develop in to this player, 20 Premership goals. A guy who can score headers, a guy who could get the scrappy ones, a guy who would be quiet all game and pop up in the 92nd minute and score, a proper striker. Unfortunaly he lacked the cutting edge.

Saying that nor have chelsea, they rely on the midfield to do there part (like us) and they are. So i wouldnt say thats whats seperating us from 1st and 2nd. Too be honest im not sure what is. We are however are only 1 or two players away from matching them squade wise. I think we mite have a better first team.

think we need a few more to match them squadwise mate. hate to say it but they have 2 first teams. we have maybe 14 players who i really think can cut it.

by **RAFABENITEZ** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:15 pm

Cisse is fne, give him 20 games on the bounce like Alonso Stevie and Carra get and he will score consistently

by **A.B.** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:17 pm

cisses_gona_get_ya wrote:
Garymac wrote:Ciggy hes fast but thats it, end of, he has nothing else to back himself up, look at pongolle, comes on, 5 minutes later he gets close to a defender spins off him makes a great run and gerrard picks him out, im not saying play to target men but Mori plays off crouch better than him.

Just tell me Ciggy if cisse had no pace, what part of his game would you like most?

But to be honest there is some sh!te teams at that World Cup and if we kept hold of him till the summer we could well get a few more bob for him.....Remember Diouf anyone???

Well Im gona put a spanner in the works here, I dont rate Morientes I dont think he is cut out for the prem.
Cisse can change his game under Rafa, but I cannot see why people critise Cisse constanly and leave Morietes alone just cause he came from Real Madrid.
Id I had my choice neither would be in the team, sell the 2 and buy Dirk Kuijt but thats just my opinion.

Morientes has an ability that Cisse wishes he has some day. He has good intelligence on the ball, he gets his team-mates involved when we attack and that gives others the opportunity to score. He never was a 20 goal a season striker, but thats not why he was so successful at Madrid.

Compare the first touch Morientes has and the one Cisse has, huge difference.

The way Rafa's system is built [it was at Valencia the same way] was everyone to chip in with the goals. If he wanted one striker to do all the scoring he would had bought Owen.

He recently said that when you have one player who scores more than everyone else in the team, then it's easier for the opposition to mark him out of the game. Meaning that the team can't depend on that player. Thats why he wants players from all over the place to score consistantly. When everyone scores from midfield then the opposition doesn't know who exactly to watch out for. It makes things much more difficult.

by **dawson99** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:17 pm

RAFABENITEZ wrote:Cisse is fne, give him 20 games on the bounce like Alonso Stevie and Carra get and he will score consistently

finally some sense.
well maybe not 20 games, but give the lad a chance, hes over trying now as he doesnt get to play often

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