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by **LFC #1** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:41 am

Judge wrote:if it serves the US interests, then they will pump money in as you say

Exactly, only if it serves the US interests, not the interests of the world as a whole. Israel was the same; the US pumped billions into Israel during the Clinton years because of the large Jewish population in the US. Now the US has become a mediator in the whole thing, realising that a lot of the hatred towards them in the Arab World is over their policies towards Israel in the past.

Why did the Israelis need all this money with their already sound infrastructure, economy and high tech army while Palestinians are living in shantytowns and have to fight Israeli soldiers with little more than sticks and stones? I'm not condoning terrorism but Hamas is so strong because many Palestinians see suicide attacks as their only means of fighting back.

by **112-1077774096** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:51 am

im not touching this one

by **babu** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:09 am

peewee wrote:im not touching this one

Me too

by **Judge** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:27 am

peewee wrote:im not touching this one

why not?, i love it when it rubs folk up the wrong way, as they use emoticons such as :veryangry

and

, its great peewee

by **112-1077774096** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:49 am

oi you trickster, stop trying to cajole me into joining this mass debate

by **dawson99** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:53 am

the point isnt whether usa is doing it for the right reason (we know they aint) its whether things needed to be done (which they did)

by **Judge** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:57 am

peewee wrote:oi you trickster, stop trying to cajole me into joining this mass debate

i would never cajole you to mass debate :laugh:

by **112-1077774096** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:25 am

peewee has managed to find the following facts on Iraq, i hope you enjoy them

Factofile: Iraq
Population About the same as France
Capital City Baghdad
Area About the size of France
Neighbors Harry and Maureen Perkins
Main exports Oil, moustaches
Climate Similar to France
Religion Tricky area
Currency Dinar. $1 = ∞dinar (2003)
Official language Rhetoric
Literacy What?

Iraq – A Short History

The area of the world now known as Iraq is roughly equivalent to ancient Mesopotamia, or 'the cradle of civilization'. It is the place where Adam is thought to have given birth to Eve. The exact spot is now occupied by E Coli's Kebab Heaven.

How Did This First Civilization Take Root?
Nice use of metaphor, because the answer lies in the very fertile soil of the Euphrates basin, where the world's first farmers grew flowers for sale in the Sumerian fruit markets. Their secret? Written records: archaeologists have found the oldest surviving bookkeeping artifacts in this area. Each individual arabic numeral was chiseled into clay using bare fingernails. It is estimated that it took several generations to record one season's harvest of wheat. When the farmers realized they were getting behind with their books, all transactions were recorded using felt tip marker pens made from whicker bamboo imported from China.

Inevitably, business people used symbols instead of iconographic symbolisms, and the art of writing (using symbols) was born. You might be surprised at some other things invented by the Sumerians (early Iraqis): banking, agriculture, the wheel, murder, wax, gossip, the moon, furniture and, of course, Christianity.

Christians
In 3700BC the land was run by high priests known as Ziggurats, named after the ancient priests who used to hold sway over this part of the world. These Ziggurats worshipped the Sun God, bringer of harvests, to whom they sacrificed goats – you know, the usual thing. But in 4000BC the real God brought a great flood upon the lands, washing away everything except Noah's Ark. Containing every species of animal in the world, this Ark was the size of Jupiter, and displaced enough water to give an average American whore an enema fifty times over.

Muslims (Careful Now)
By the seventh century AD Muslims had conquered Persia, under the leadership of Al-Exander the Great. The whole country converted to Islam, invented tarmac, and due to strict religious doctrine, no-one had any fun at all.
In the sixth century BC a young horseman named Nebuchadnezzar rowed into Assyria in his boat. After a spell in the Civil Service, he married Princess Amytis and together they ruled over the land. They had a baby in 601BC, and to celebrate the fact they renamed the city Babylon. The legendary Hanging Gardens were designed by Nebuchadnezzar's mother-in-law, who thought their yard could do with some color.

Genghis Khan
In 1219 the nomadic Mongol people, who had been wandering around looking for trouble, discovered a tiny babe living in a whicker chair in the middle of the Arabian desert. Thinking him to be the son of Genghis Khan, they named him Genghis Khan (son of Khan) and killed him on the spot. Then they went on the rampage, killing every living thing.

The Ottoman Empire
Abu Said, a small Turkish entrepreneur, invented in 1550 a laundry box with a soft lid for sitting on. Thus was born a baghdad (literally, soft-topped towel container). The City went from extreme poverty to huge prosperity over the course of the next 400 years.

The Rise of Saddam
After the First World War, the British Government, looking for something to do, invaded Iraq and destroyed Baghdad, rebuilding it in the shape of King George's bum. When Iran invaded in the early 1960s, the British hurriedly withdrew, leaving junior typist Saddam Hussein in charge of the radio. Using extraordinary diplomatic skills, he signed an agreement with the Shah of Iran, then went home and declared war once again. The Iran-Iraq war lasted eight years, killed four hundred million people, and only ended when UN resolution 598 declared 'I mean, really, this is getting rather silly now.'

The Gulf War – 1990
In January 1989 Saddam Hussein was visited by April Glaspie, US Ambassador to Iraq. Glaspie informed him that if he wanted to invade Kuwait that would be "just fine and dandy." In August 1990 the Iraqi army overran the country, and in retaliation the US bombed Baghdad to oblivion and gassed half the British army.

Since then the attention of the World community was centered on finding and eliminating Saddam Hussein's Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD). US Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld, having not kept the receipts from the original sales, could not be sure which weapons were stored in Iraq. So UN Weapons Inspector Hans Blix was sent in on a fact-finding mission.

The Second Gulf War
Unfortunately, despite strenuous efforts by the US to keep WMD out of the hands of crazed war-mongers intent on destruction, they had to bomb the country and overthrow the regime.

Sadly, UN agreement for such action could not be reached, and it is now thought that the organization is an impotent talking-shop, ineffective in today's world.

Except when things get difficult afterwards

Winning the Peace
Who can forget the historic images sent by CNN anchor Barbararbra Leibowitz, embedded within the statue of Saddam Hussein, as it was toppled by the crazed heroic citizens of Baghdad? Very soon – some say within the next fifty years – ordinary Iraqis will have control of their own country once again, able to vote in democratic elections and work in burger chains and office cubicles like any other civilized peoples.

Meanwhile, the search for WMD goes on. In October 2003 a special CIA taskforce reported that an unsecured gas cylinder was found in a caravan off the Tigris road. "Left unattended," they warned, "this could have caused some nasty burns."

The lesson from history is clear.

saddams palace, can you spot the hidden weapons?

by **Judge** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:28 am

peewee wrote:peewee has managed to find the following facts on Iraq, i hope you enjoy them

Factofile: Iraq
Population About the same as France
Capital City Baghdad
Area About the size of France
Neighbors Harry and Maureen Perkins
Main exports Oil, moustaches
Climate Similar to France
Religion Tricky area
Currency Dinar. $1 = ∞dinar (2003)
Official language Rhetoric
Literacy What?

Iraq – A Short History

The area of the world now known as Iraq is roughly equivalent to ancient Mesopotamia, or 'the cradle of civilization'. It is the place where Adam is thought to have given birth to Eve. The exact spot is now occupied by E Coli's Kebab Heaven.

How Did This First Civilization Take Root?
Nice use of metaphor, because the answer lies in the very fertile soil of the Euphrates basin, where the world's first farmers grew flowers for sale in the Sumerian fruit markets. Their secret? Written records: archaeologists have found the oldest surviving bookkeeping artifacts in this area. Each individual arabic numeral was chiseled into clay using bare fingernails. It is estimated that it took several generations to record one season's harvest of wheat. When the farmers realized they were getting behind with their books, all transactions were recorded using felt tip marker pens made from whicker bamboo imported from China.

Inevitably, business people used symbols instead of iconographic symbolisms, and the art of writing (using symbols) was born. You might be surprised at some other things invented by the Sumerians (early Iraqis): banking, agriculture, the wheel, murder, wax, gossip, the moon, furniture and, of course, Christianity.

Christians
In 3700BC the land was run by high priests known as Ziggurats, named after the ancient priests who used to hold sway over this part of the world. These Ziggurats worshipped the Sun God, bringer of harvests, to whom they sacrificed goats – you know, the usual thing. But in 4000BC the real God brought a great flood upon the lands, washing away everything except Noah's Ark. Containing every species of animal in the world, this Ark was the size of Jupiter, and displaced enough water to give an average American whore an enema fifty times over.

Muslims (Careful Now)
By the seventh century AD Muslims had conquered Persia, under the leadership of Al-Exander the Great. The whole country converted to Islam, invented tarmac, and due to strict religious doctrine, no-one had any fun at all.
In the sixth century BC a young horseman named Nebuchadnezzar rowed into Assyria in his boat. After a spell in the Civil Service, he married Princess Amytis and together they ruled over the land. They had a baby in 601BC, and to celebrate the fact they renamed the city Babylon. The legendary Hanging Gardens were designed by Nebuchadnezzar's mother-in-law, who thought their yard could do with some color.

Genghis Khan
In 1219 the nomadic Mongol people, who had been wandering around looking for trouble, discovered a tiny babe living in a whicker chair in the middle of the Arabian desert. Thinking him to be the son of Genghis Khan, they named him Genghis Khan (son of Khan) and killed him on the spot. Then they went on the rampage, killing every living thing.

The Ottoman Empire
Abu Said, a small Turkish entrepreneur, invented in 1550 a laundry box with a soft lid for sitting on. Thus was born a baghdad (literally, soft-topped towel container). The City went from extreme poverty to huge prosperity over the course of the next 400 years.

The Rise of Saddam
After the First World War, the British Government, looking for something to do, invaded Iraq and destroyed Baghdad, rebuilding it in the shape of King George's bum. When Iran invaded in the early 1960s, the British hurriedly withdrew, leaving junior typist Saddam Hussein in charge of the radio. Using extraordinary diplomatic skills, he signed an agreement with the Shah of Iran, then went home and declared war once again. The Iran-Iraq war lasted eight years, killed four hundred million people, and only ended when UN resolution 598 declared 'I mean, really, this is getting rather silly now.'

The Gulf War – 1990
In January 1989 Saddam Hussein was visited by April Glaspie, US Ambassador to Iraq. Glaspie informed him that if he wanted to invade Kuwait that would be "just fine and dandy." In August 1990 the Iraqi army overran the country, and in retaliation the US bombed Baghdad to oblivion and gassed half the British army.

Since then the attention of the World community was centered on finding and eliminating Saddam Hussein's Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD). US Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld, having not kept the receipts from the original sales, could not be sure which weapons were stored in Iraq. So UN Weapons Inspector Hans Blix was sent in on a fact-finding mission.

The Second Gulf War
Unfortunately, despite strenuous efforts by the US to keep WMD out of the hands of crazed war-mongers intent on destruction, they had to bomb the country and overthrow the regime.

Sadly, UN agreement for such action could not be reached, and it is now thought that the organization is an impotent talking-shop, ineffective in today's world.

Except when things get difficult afterwards

Winning the Peace
Who can forget the historic images sent by CNN anchor Barbararbra Leibowitz, embedded within the statue of Saddam Hussein, as it was toppled by the crazed heroic citizens of Baghdad? Very soon – some say within the next fifty years – ordinary Iraqis will have control of their own country once again, able to vote in democratic elections and work in burger chains and office cubicles like any other civilized peoples.

Meanwhile, the search for WMD goes on. In October 2003 a special CIA taskforce reported that an unsecured gas cylinder was found in a caravan off the Tigris road. "Left unattended," they warned, "this could have caused some nasty burns."

The lesson from history is clear.

saddams palace, can you spot the hidden weapons?

cajoled indeed peewee

who's harry and maureen perkins??

by **112-1077774096** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:32 am

Iraqs neighbours, cant you read?

by **Judge** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:37 pm

god i hate peewee and heres his picture

by **112-1077774096** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:55 pm

actually i did post a link to a newspaper article with my picture in it, i think jbg is confused which one was me in the pic, i was the handsome one not the short fat one

by **Judge** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:10 pm

public transport has definatley improved in iraq since the US went in

by **dawson99** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 1:37 pm

ok, in know its xmas, happy times, but this is why we had t go into iraq in the first place:

from bbc news:

Mass grave unearthed in Iraq city

The remains are believed to be that of Shia rebels
A mass grave has been discovered in the predominantly Shia city of Karbala south of Baghdad, Iraqi police said.
Dozens of bodies have reportedly been found, apparently those of Shia rebels killed by Saddam Hussein's army after its defeat in the 1991 Gulf War.

The Shia revolt was crushed and as many as 30,000 people were killed, many of them buried in mass graves.

The remains were uncovered by workmen digging a new water pipe in the centre of the city known for its Shia shrine.

They called the police, who cordoned off the area. Clothing found with the bodies indicated that they included men, women and children.

"The remains of dozens of victims were found in the pit - some 500 metres from the mausoleum of Imam Hussein," Abdul Rahman, a Karbala police spokesman, told news agency AFP.

Shia pilgrims converge on Karbala twice a year to mark the death Hussein, the Prophet Muhammad's grandson, 1,300 years ago.

Several mass graves containing thousands of bodies have been uncovered since the fall of Saddam Hussein in April 2003, notably in the Shia south and Kurdish north.

However, there have been concerns that most useful evidence from the graves has been destroyed as relatives tried to recover the remains of their loved ones.

The former Iraqi leader and seven members of his regime are currently being tried for the killing of 148 people in Dujail in 1982. They all deny responsibility.

Other charges are expected, including ones relating to the suppression of the 1991 uprisings, which were encouraged by the United States following the liberation of Kuwait, but not supported by coalition forces.

The elite Republican Guard was able to crush the rebellion and tens of thousands of Shia across the south were imprisoned, tortured and killed.

The holy shrines in Karbala and Najaf were smashed by the tanks and artillery of government forces. They were, however, quickly restored by the government.

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