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by **DrLiverpool** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:16 am

Whenever I go into a thread there is something bad written about Heskey whether the thraed is about houllier or kewell or whatever heskey is always badmouthed.

Many of you think "sell Heskey" as if that would achieve anything (apart from about 3m which is not much to a big club like Liverpool).

Heskey's bad form is Houlliers fault. Heskey was absolute class at leicter and in his first season at liverpool but then houllier started having a bad effect on him and therefore many bad-mouth him.

Everything has been said about him playing out position and not being used as an out and out striker but I wont go into that.

If a new manager comes in Heskey will once again shine. There is a reason why one of europe's top managers ia a big fan of his. The manager is Martin O'Neill the man who is the solution to liverpools and heskeys bad form.

In another thread there was this question
"Can you see Heskey getting 20 goals a season under any manager ?" I answered Yes I can see him do it and I HAVE ALREADY SEEN HIM DO IT.

Selling Heskey wont achieve anything we'd only be loosing a PROVEN GOALSCORER IN THE PREMIERSHIP. A new manager would get his confidence up and he would become a goal-scoring machine once again.

If a good manager comes in the summer I GUARANTEE Heskey will surprise many of those who had doubts about his skill and goal scoring ability.

by **REDTILLDEAD** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:31 am

Heskey is a liability, and a luxury we cant afford anymore. He has been given more than enough chances to prove his claims that justify his selection, and has failed to take them, we should sell heskey to someone like spurs, and invest the transfer money towards bringing in 2 quality midfielders, coz thats where our main problems lie, also in central defence?.

by **Dalglish** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:35 am

Great or really good players can play well under ANY manager. Perhaps Heskey has suffered from poor management as you say , then why hasn't it affected EVERY liverpool player, there are (thank God) still a few that are producing good performances. If anyone but Oneil comes in I think it will be bye bye Heskey:blues:

by **DrLiverpool** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:46 am

I thought o'neill was a big fan of heskey.
If anything he would improve him.

As I said Heskey will surprise those who doubted his skill and goal-scoring ability.

by **redspirit** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 5:44 pm

Send Heskey to fight in the Iraq war, and we'll see what would happen if he doesn't believe in himself. Houllier is full of sh*t in saying all Heskey needs is self belief. Houllier said if one combines the talent and hard work, one will succeed. He was referring to Heskey after the sorry excuse for a striker scored his first two goals in a million years. As much as I want Houllier to be gone as manager of LFC, at the least it was evident Houllier's heart operation derived from hard work and stress.

I can't say the same about Heskey. For what they are paid, for what they get to do for a living, for the privileges they get in comparison to 99% of us, and especially for those who has to suffer for basic necessities, I will never feel sorry for overpaid players such as Heskey. I hope his performances at LFC effectively ends his playing career. It would be best for him to know what its like to EARN his wages. To compete in the real world like the rest of us. To know what it really takes to "win" on a daily basis. Subject himself to Social Darwinism where only the strong survives.

I would take a Dennis Wise, a Roy Keane, an Alan Smith, regardless of their goal rate, over Heskey any day. :angry:

by **redspirit** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 5:47 pm

DrLiverpool wrote:I thought o'neill was a big fan of heskey.
If anything he would improve him.

As I said Heskey will surprise those who doubted his skill and goal-scoring ability.

I wouldn't be so disappointed if I doubted his abilities.

by **Woollyback** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 5:49 pm

DrLiverpool wrote:Heskey's bad form is Houlliers fault. Heskey was absolute class at leicter and in his first season at liverpool but then houllier started having a bad effect on him and therefore many bad-mouth him.

Sorry Doc, I can't agree with that. I've been watching Leicester for 10 years (father in law is big Leicester fan) and Heskey was exactly the same there as at LFC - he used to drive Leicester fans f##king potty with his inconsitency and numerous feeble performances.

Agree he'd be better under a different manager but he has flattered to deceive for years now. He shows bags of potential but is uncapable of realising it. Never be world class.

by **Owzat** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 6:34 pm

I don't know where this theory that Heskey was class at Leicester comes from, I believe he never managed 10 goals in a season there. If he is a "confidence player" then he'll never make it - if he doesn't score goals his confidence drops and without confidence he doesn't score goals............

by **bpm1976** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 6:41 pm

I dont think to many ppl would be to sad to see him leave, the only bad point would be the amount of money lost on him as stated earlier. This will apply to the likes of Diouf, Biscan etc. IMO Heskey has very limited football ability, passing, awarness and finishing borders on the line of average and below. His work rate may be one of his big plus's, but could u really see him lining up for Man U or Arsenal, he would be geered off the pitch. 40k a week, real pressure.

by **Big Niall** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 6:55 pm

I don't know why people think he is inconsistent, he is not, he scores 1 goal every 8 games or so, no goal rushes just a constant drought.

I knew he was sh##e when he signed him. £11m for nothing, that's when I lost faith in Houllier, he was valued at £8m but we paid £3m more so we could secure our place in Champions League with him "firing" in goals for Liverpool. Obviously Leeds got the spot.

He never scored much at leicester, I remember when he was there & Hanson showed on match of the day Heskey's touch compared to Berkamp, it was hilarious.

If he wasn't English people would laugh at him like Forlan.

He is an absolute disgrace. For those who talke about confidence, they make him sound like some special needs kid who should be told "we're all winners". I f##king HATE THE BOLLOX, at least Dean Saunders looked like he was really trying.

I hope I've made it clear what side of the so called argument I am on.

by **115-1073096938** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 7:25 pm

[quote]He never scored much at leicester, I remember when he was there & Hanson showed on match of the day Heskey's touch compared to Berkamp, it was hilarious.
[quote]

And then did he compare Heskey's pace and strength to Bergkamps aswell? Hilairious.

I'm not being funny but if you aren't objective don't argue.

Heskey has immense ability. FACT!!! not opinion.

He is capable of bein an immense player and has the ability to at times be unplayable but the sad fact of the matter is he simply hasn't done it consistently enough and has had his chance at Liverpool football club as far as i am concerned. This season was his last chance in my opinion and he's not delivered what i'd expected even though this season is a massive improvement on last.

In terms of ability he is good enough to play for any club. If he was producing his treble season form we wouldn't need another striker. Owen is world class, Baros a quality player and Pongolle a good prospect. Heskey at his best is top class, as he shown against Chelsea away when playing against Gallas and Terry.

But his ability doesn't come through often enough. He's often hugely ineffective in a large number of games.

All these shitty arguements about it being Houllier's fault are nonsense. He produced the best form of his Career under Houllier. He will never reach the standard he is capable of because of his inability to relax and play his natural game more times than not.

I heard someone say once you can always tell how a player will play by the look in there eyes. You can see when players look bright and sharp with body language etc and i totally agree. Heskey looked bright and sharp through the treble season and again the chelsea away game this year. Some of its down to confidence, cant comment on the rest because i don't know about his life style and the team spirit (even though i suspect its poor) at the club.

by **Owzat** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 8:20 pm

stu_the_red wrote:Heskey has immense ability. FACT!!! not opinion.

If it is a fact then you can prove it. It isn't a fact, it is your opinion.

by **115-1073096938** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 9:07 pm

If it is a fact then you can prove it. It isn't a fact, it is your opinion.

He has proven it.

Football is a game based on fact which cannot be proven. Thats what makes it so interesting.

Don't give me this sh##e about it all being opinions because its bullsh#t. I am not as good as Steven Gerrard... FACT. Its is a fact weather one player is better than another, its a matter of judgement as to who can see the better player.

You can't prove Vieira is better than Steven Gerrard but it doesn't mean one of them isn't the better player. In my opinion its Vieira.

Its the same with every player, you judge using opinions. But the facts are there weather you can see them or not is a different question.

by **stmichael** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:08 pm

he proved it for 1 season on a consistent basis. since then he's had the odd good game here and then. he must have something though because sven adores the guy as much as houllier. he's a good foil for others and will always do a good job for the team. however after that treble season i just haven't seen him progress or improve in anyway. 55 goals in 250 games just isn't good enough for an 11m player who showed a lot of potential by scoring 26 in his first full season at the club. whether you could recoup anywhere near that money for him now is very debatable.

by **Owzat** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 1:09 pm

stu_the_red wrote:
If it is a fact then you can prove it. It isn't a fact, it is your opinion.

He has proven it.

Football is a game based on fact which cannot be proven. Thats what makes it so interesting.

Don't give me this sh##e about it all being opinions because its bullsh#t. I am not as good as Steven Gerrard... FACT. Its is a fact weather one player is better than another, its a matter of judgement as to who can see the better player.

You can't prove Vieira is better than Steven Gerrard but it doesn't mean one of them isn't the better player. In my opinion its Vieira.

Its the same with every player, you judge using opinions. But the facts are there weather you can see them or not is a different question.

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