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by **Kid a** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:24 pm

AussieKopite wrote:Also a kid, sorry for being a smart but you mentioned that you knew you sounded like a sore loser and I felt the need to agree. Just taking the mate.

Cheers.

Thanks, mate. I just don't like to feel attacked, when I feel that I didn't come at people badly with anything I said. That's all.

Damn you, Judge. Personally, I will be cheering on England. Against everyone except Argentina, though. And, no, I wasn't fully supporting Argentina until now...so you can't rub that friendly win in my face. I didn't care then.

by **el_stinger** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:34 pm

Kid a wrote:
Lionheart wrote:Kid a - I'm not sure if you have actually discussed the footballing history between our two nations (Uruguay & Australia) but I hardly think you, or any Uruguayian for that matter, are in a position to lecture on sportsmanship and negative play.

Ask your father about Uruguay's tour of Australia in 1974...(for the readers - and I hope I don't bore anyone here, skip to the last paragraph maybe). The first match was in Melbourne and finished 0-0. The Uruguayans became frustrated and resorted to horrible foul tactics, expecially off the ball and behind play.

Three days later the two sides met again in Sydney (and I was there and witnessed the game first hand). This was a game that demonstrated the worst fouls and acts of poor sportsmanship ever seen on a football park anywhere.

To paraphrase the 1974 German football historian Andre Kruger, " The Uruguayans kicked, punched and cursed, they hit everything they could reach . In fact Australian's striker, Ray Baartz, came in for special attention (he was playing brilliantly and had put Australia 1-0 up 60 minutes into the game) at one stage when he received a 'karate chop' type blow directly to his throat from Uruguayan defender Baristo (unseen by officials). Baartz collapsed to the ground and was unable to breath and required urgent medical attention. Baartz collapsed later that night suffering from symptoms similar to a stroke (secondary to the blow which caused the blood vessels in Baartz neck to swell and occlude the blood supply to his brain). He was on life support for the next two days and took two years to get back onto the park. Baartz missed the 1974 World Cup because of that dispicable callous act.

Baristo was later sent red carded (by English referee Campbell) and the Uraguayans 'went mad'. Campbell was actually punched in the nose and he was forced to warn the Uraguayan coach that he would abandon the match if things didn't settle down. Garisto actually had one of his own team mates hit him in the face and then went to the referee to blame it on the Australians (this was 10-15 meters in front of where I was sitting with my father). Baristo was off...things calmed down and from the restart the Uraguayan Morena controlled the ball, with two hands, before kicking the ball into the back of the net. The offence was as clear as day to everyone. In fact the action was just plain childish and silly, but when the goal was disallowed the Uruguayans whipped themselves into an even greater frenzy of frustration, anger and disappointment.

Toward the end of the match Uruguay pushed EVERYONE, except the keeper (Fernandez), forward in the hope of getting an equaliser. What happened next would have been just comical if everyone hadn't been so dumbstruck by the Uruguayan's bad behaviour and poor sportsmanship - Peter Ollerton found himself on the receiving end of a goalmouth clearance and ran forward to Uruguay's goal. Fenernadez came out at a rush to meet Ollerton and the ball on the half way line. Ollerton rounded the keeper and set off toward the goal with ALL of the remaining 10 Uruguayan players in hot persuit. The Australians just stopped and watched Ollerton slot the ball into the net when he was just short of the 6 yard box. Final score 2-0.

The World's press were shocked by the result but even more shocked when footage of the game reached them. No less that 8 Uruguayan players should have been sent off for seperate incidents of foul play.

The game is different today. If that game had taken place today Uruguay would have been banned from international football FOREVER. They came to Australia as former world champions, they were brash, arrogant, and thought they were going to play a team of sheep sh@ggers and kangaroo cowboys. What they got was a footballing lesson in discipline and fair play. For some reason the Aussies still went and offered to shake hands after the game...the Uruguayans spat at us!!

I'm not excusing the modern Australian teams, we have LEARNT to develop out 'gamesmanship' from a wonderful tutor...in 1974.

So you see 'Kid a' before you come in here and sprout off about how Aussies are poor loosers and winners, check your history. You are hardly in a position to take any moral high ground here.

It's best to leave what goes on the park...on the park. Otherwise it could get thrown back in your face.

Lionheart, from reading your post and everything you seem like an intelligent and knowledgable person. Certainly fit to talk on this matter. You, like most, have also misinterpreted the basis of what I was trying to say. Now, instead of just calling me a sore loser - you went a little more in-depth but still chose to also talk down to me. I never lectured anyone. You just lectured me. I merely pointed out that you Aussies have no room to talk down, considering your actions and play during these two games. From reading your post, you basically say that the past excuses your actions today. I think that's a sad excuse. I'm not aware of the total history between Uruguay and Australia (Perhaps I will ask my father about 1974), but as I said and acknowledged beforehand - I know the Uruguayans reputation. I know that their play and sportmanship in the past is certainly questionable, I never denied that. Also in talking about Australia now, I never excuse Uruguay of any actions. I'm just sick of reading Australian fans critize Uruguay and praise their own team, when I feel they turn a blinde eye to their actions during these two games. That is all. Why is that so hard for people to understand...

I see the taste of your own medicine is bitter

by **Lionheart** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:05 am

Kid a wrote:Lionheart, from reading your post and everything you seem like an intelligent and knowledgable person. Certainly fit to talk on this matter. You, like most, have also misinterpreted the basis of what I was trying to say. Now, instead of just calling me a sore loser - you went a little more in-depth but still chose to also talk down to me. I never lectured anyone. You just lectured me. I merely pointed out that you Aussies have no room to talk down, considering your actions and play during these two games. From reading your post, you basically say that the past excuses your actions today. I think that's a sad excuse. I'm not aware of the total history between Uruguay and Australia (Perhaps I will ask my father about 1974), but as I said and acknowledged beforehand - I know the Uruguayans reputation. I know that their play and sportmanship in the past is certainly questionable, I never denied that. Also in talking about Australia now, I never excuse Uruguay of any actions. I'm just sick of reading Australian fans critize Uruguay and praise their own team, when I feel they turn a blinde eye to their actions during these two games. That is all. Why is that so hard for people to understand...

Kid a...no one is going to win this arguement. Do you realise that? You have your view, and others have an opposing view and in varying degrees in between.

What I objected to was you coming in here with a condescending attitude and levelling certain accusations that the "majority" of Australians were sore winners/loosers and that our team's tactics were equally as bad as Uruguay's. Granted, the modern game demands a response to certain tactics, and Australia's response may very well be less than exemplarary sportsman like behaviour.

I say your attitude was condescending and arrogant based on the following remarks made by you;
"...you seem like an intelligent and knowledgable person. Certainly fit to talk on this matter." (I don't need your approval to discuss this matter based on your perception of my intelligence;
"I don't think Australia have a great team or anything" (no, just good enough to get to Germany 2006...anything from here is a bonus);
"You people are biased" (let me know if there is a nation of passionate supporters who aren't!!);
"Uruguay have more than enough talent to beat Australia over two legs, and more than enough talent not to be playing this play-off and to qualify directly." (And the reason you didn't is Australia's fault??...so why are you playing this 2 leg qualifier?? You had months and months to sack the coach. Australia had just a few short weeks with their coach before coming up against the mighty Uruguay).
"I think Uruguay did have a right to go to the World Cup" (you EARN that right {Australia just did}, no such thing as divine right...how arrogant can you be??);
"They have a good footballing history, passionate country and fans, and they had more than enough talent to do so." (So does Australia mate).

But you complain about Australia's tactics and I'm trying to explain (not lecture) to you that the modern game DEMANDS a response to certain tactics if the game is to progress and advance...Uruaguay's tactics in '74 was dispicable, unsportsman like, and frankly something the Australian's had not been exposed to from a 'team' perspective (there have always been individuals that have been poor sportsman, and their always will be). I would go so far as to say the Uruguayan team from 1974 were butchers (a term you don't seem to appreciate)...and frankly I don't care how funny or hilarious you think that might be.

I'm not talking down to you...I'm responding to your accusations. Just as the Australian soccer teams have done since 1974. I just want you to understand one thing in regards to Australians. We are a diverse group, and eclectic society. We believe in giving people a fair go. That is the Australian way. We can even laugh at ourselves and can appreciate how we must look to other in the world. But Australians won't just roll over. We'll stand up for the little bloke, we'll protect dignity, and self respect.

A suitable (if somewhat crass) analogy might be that Uruguay came to Australia in 1974 and wanted us, the Australian football team and community, to bend over so they could 'scew' us in the rear end. So why act surprised when we fight back with equally aggressive tactics to protect our self dignity and just place in this world, especially on the football field.

But if you want ONE statement that sums up the difference between you and the general Australian football fan it is...

"One thing I am severely :censored:

off at, is that I spent like 50 dollars on a Uruguay jersey and now there's less and less chance I'll be able to wear it for the near future"

That's just plain SAD!!!

:eyebrow

by **wee_boi888** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 2:15 am

All this banter about fair play by the fans, unsportsmanlike behaviour will keep going as Lionheart said just before. There is no real way to end it, as he said that fans will always be biased to the team they are passionate about.

Kid A, I see what you are getting at, but the point from us Aussies is that though we give everyone a fair go, we stand up for ourselves and also give back shyte whatever is given to us. We don't take things like that lying down.

As for then anthem booing, I was disgraced by it; however, I didn't regret we did it...contridictory I know, but after the Montivideo crowd did it to us, I felt that we should give it back to them.

The hotel noises were a bit unfair though. I really don't think that it was warrented - but I don't really think it would have affected the team that much. We all have experienced loud parties next door to our own homes and its not that hard to get to sleep. I think its just excuses the management and press are making for the loss to "lowly" Australia - where "an excuse is just a well thought out lie". Uruguay got played off the park and Australia fully deserved to win.

I really enjoyed both games - though there weren't many goals, it was very entertaining. Popovich should have been sent off, but so should have your whole coaching staff. Fossati is a poojabber (I love that word by the way, its my new favourite insult, so don't take it literally) and he disgraged Uruguay. As for recoba - he's a fantastic talent but an arrogant twit. To sum it up, both teams and their fans didn't act totally "fair" to each other - but I guess its up to the individual to choose whether they cancel each other out. As I stated at the start, fans are biased, so it probably wont be.

Either way, we won and it should end there. I hope we get drawn with England so we can beat them 3-1 again

by **Red** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 2:44 am

I'm an aussie an I was not impressed with the booing of the national anthem nor the diving or elbow swinging by our team. I did see Urugay do all the above, but we are better than that.

Kewell played ok, but after 40 mins of play he was tired and stopped really penetrating the Urugayin defence also the goal came from a miss kick of his. I was happy to see his confidence back, but he is certainly not back to his best. Oh for all the kewell haters out there who want him sold. Root for him to have a blinder in the world cup when big clubs go mad spending in the months post world cup, eg Houllier : Diouf.

by **el_stinger** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:51 am

Lionheart wrote:
Kid a wrote:Lionheart, from reading your post and everything you seem like an intelligent and knowledgable person. Certainly fit to talk on this matter. You, like most, have also misinterpreted the basis of what I was trying to say. Now, instead of just calling me a sore loser - you went a little more in-depth but still chose to also talk down to me. I never lectured anyone. You just lectured me. I merely pointed out that you Aussies have no room to talk down, considering your actions and play during these two games. From reading your post, you basically say that the past excuses your actions today. I think that's a sad excuse. I'm not aware of the total history between Uruguay and Australia (Perhaps I will ask my father about 1974), but as I said and acknowledged beforehand - I know the Uruguayans reputation. I know that their play and sportmanship in the past is certainly questionable, I never denied that. Also in talking about Australia now, I never excuse Uruguay of any actions. I'm just sick of reading Australian fans critize Uruguay and praise their own team, when I feel they turn a blinde eye to their actions during these two games. That is all. Why is that so hard for people to understand...

Kid a...no one is going to win this arguement. Do you realise that? You have your view, and others have an opposing view and in varying degrees in between.

What I objected to was you coming in here with a condescending attitude and levelling certain accusations that the "majority" of Australians were sore winners/loosers and that our team's tactics were equally as bad as Uruguay's. Granted, the modern game demands a response to certain tactics, and Australia's response may very well be less than exemplarary sportsman like behaviour.

I say your attitude was condescending and arrogant based on the following remarks made by you;
"...you seem like an intelligent and knowledgable person. Certainly fit to talk on this matter." (I don't need your approval to discuss this matter based on your perception of my intelligence;
"I don't think Australia have a great team or anything" (no, just good enough to get to Germany 2006...anything from here is a bonus);
"You people are biased" (let me know if there is a nation of passionate supporters who aren't!!);
"Uruguay have more than enough talent to beat Australia over two legs, and more than enough talent not to be playing this play-off and to qualify directly." (And the reason you didn't is Australia's fault??...so why are you playing this 2 leg qualifier?? You had months and months to sack the coach. Australia had just a few short weeks with their coach before coming up against the mighty Uruguay).
"I think Uruguay did have a right to go to the World Cup" (you EARN that right {Australia just did}, no such thing as divine right...how arrogant can you be??);
"They have a good footballing history, passionate country and fans, and they had more than enough talent to do so." (So does Australia mate).

But you complain about Australia's tactics and I'm trying to explain (not lecture) to you that the modern game DEMANDS a response to certain tactics if the game is to progress and advance...Uruaguay's tactics in '74 was dispicable, unsportsman like, and frankly something the Australian's had not been exposed to from a 'team' perspective (there have always been individuals that have been poor sportsman, and their always will be). I would go so far as to say the Uruguayan team from 1974 were butchers (a term you don't seem to appreciate)...and frankly I don't care how funny or hilarious you think that might be.

I'm not talking down to you...I'm responding to your accusations. Just as the Australian soccer teams have done since 1974. I just want you to understand one thing in regards to Australians. We are a diverse group, and eclectic society. We believe in giving people a fair go. That is the Australian way. We can even laugh at ourselves and can appreciate how we must look to other in the world. But Australians won't just roll over. We'll stand up for the little bloke, we'll protect dignity, and self respect.

A suitable (if somewhat crass) analogy might be that Uruguay came to Australia in 1974 and wanted us, the Australian football team and community, to bend over so they could 'scew' us in the rear end. So why act surprised when we fight back with equally aggressive tactics to protect our self dignity and just place in this world, especially on the football field.

But if you want ONE statement that sums up the difference between you and the general Australian football fan it is...

"One thing I am severely off at, is that I spent like 50 dollars on a Uruguay jersey and now there's less and less chance I'll be able to wear it for the near future"

That's just plain SAD!!!

Lionheart.... If only all your posts were as reasonable and expertly written like this one. My sentiments are the same, and for once you and I are thinking on the same page. But, when are you going to admit that Viduka sucks?? :rasp

by **AussieKopite** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:56 am

Red wrote:I'm an aussie an I was not impressed with the booing of the national anthem nor the diving or elbow swinging by our team. I did see Urugay do all the above, but we are better than that.

Kewell played ok, but after 40 mins of play he was tired and stopped really penetrating the Urugayin defence also the goal came from a miss kick of his. I was happy to see his confidence back, but he is certainly not back to his best. Oh for all the kewell haters out there who want him sold. Root for him to have a blinder in the world cup when big clubs go mad spending in the months post world cup, eg Houllier : Diouf.

Although, I can't believe that palm into Cahill's face went completely missed.

It was so blatant.

by **AussieKopite** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:56 am

drummerphil wrote:be honest with you i will be very surprised if Kewell is even on the bench tomorrow.....In the last week two games,travel to south America,travel from south America to Australia,travel from Australia to uk............very very unlikely he will feature.

The Courier-Mail in Queensland said that Kewell will be rested against Portsmouth.

by **Lionheart** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:00 am

el_stinger wrote:Lionheart.... If only all your posts were as reasonable and expertly written like this one. My sentiments are the same, and for once you and I are thinking on the same page. But, when are you going to admit that Viduka sucks??

Now I'm REALLY worried!!!

We'll just have to agree to disagree re. Viduka. Can you cope with that?? :;):

by **Lionheart** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:01 am

AussieKopite wrote:
drummerphil wrote:be honest with you i will be very surprised if Kewell is even on the bench tomorrow.....In the last week two games,travel to south America,travel from south America to Australia,travel from Australia to uk............very very unlikely he will feature.

The Courier-Mail in Queensland said that Kewell will be rested against Portsmouth.

I hope so...off the bench at worst!!

by **AussieKopite** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:02 am

Hey guys, I just heard that Keane is leaving Manure effective immediately. Seeing as Manure beat Chelsea without him do you think that Manure will continue to be as competitive or will this be the straw that breaks the camels back. The reason I bring this up here is that we need all the teams we can to beat Chelski.

by **Kid a** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:20 am

Lionheart wrote:
Kid a wrote:Lionheart, from reading your post and everything you seem like an intelligent and knowledgable person. Certainly fit to talk on this matter. You, like most, have also misinterpreted the basis of what I was trying to say. Now, instead of just calling me a sore loser - you went a little more in-depth but still chose to also talk down to me. I never lectured anyone. You just lectured me. I merely pointed out that you Aussies have no room to talk down, considering your actions and play during these two games. From reading your post, you basically say that the past excuses your actions today. I think that's a sad excuse. I'm not aware of the total history between Uruguay and Australia (Perhaps I will ask my father about 1974), but as I said and acknowledged beforehand - I know the Uruguayans reputation. I know that their play and sportmanship in the past is certainly questionable, I never denied that. Also in talking about Australia now, I never excuse Uruguay of any actions. I'm just sick of reading Australian fans critize Uruguay and praise their own team, when I feel they turn a blinde eye to their actions during these two games. That is all. Why is that so hard for people to understand...

Kid a...no one is going to win this arguement. Do you realise that? You have your view, and others have an opposing view and in varying degrees in between.

What I objected to was you coming in here with a condescending attitude and levelling certain accusations that the "majority" of Australians were sore winners/loosers and that our team's tactics were equally as bad as Uruguay's. Granted, the modern game demands a response to certain tactics, and Australia's response may very well be less than exemplarary sportsman like behaviour.

I say your attitude was condescending and arrogant based on the following remarks made by you;
"...you seem like an intelligent and knowledgable person. Certainly fit to talk on this matter." (I don't need your approval to discuss this matter based on your perception of my intelligence;
"I don't think Australia have a great team or anything" (no, just good enough to get to Germany 2006...anything from here is a bonus);
"You people are biased" (let me know if there is a nation of passionate supporters who aren't!!);
"Uruguay have more than enough talent to beat Australia over two legs, and more than enough talent not to be playing this play-off and to qualify directly." (And the reason you didn't is Australia's fault??...so why are you playing this 2 leg qualifier?? You had months and months to sack the coach. Australia had just a few short weeks with their coach before coming up against the mighty Uruguay).
"I think Uruguay did have a right to go to the World Cup" (you EARN that right {Australia just did}, no such thing as divine right...how arrogant can you be??);
"They have a good footballing history, passionate country and fans, and they had more than enough talent to do so." (So does Australia mate).

But you complain about Australia's tactics and I'm trying to explain (not lecture) to you that the modern game DEMANDS a response to certain tactics if the game is to progress and advance...Uruaguay's tactics in '74 was dispicable, unsportsman like, and frankly something the Australian's had not been exposed to from a 'team' perspective (there have always been individuals that have been poor sportsman, and their always will be). I would go so far as to say the Uruguayan team from 1974 were butchers (a term you don't seem to appreciate)...and frankly I don't care how funny or hilarious you think that might be.

I'm not talking down to you...I'm responding to your accusations. Just as the Australian soccer teams have done since 1974. I just want you to understand one thing in regards to Australians. We are a diverse group, and eclectic society. We believe in giving people a fair go. That is the Australian way. We can even laugh at ourselves and can appreciate how we must look to other in the world. But Australians won't just roll over. We'll stand up for the little bloke, we'll protect dignity, and self respect.

A suitable (if somewhat crass) analogy might be that Uruguay came to Australia in 1974 and wanted us, the Australian football team and community, to bend over so they could 'scew' us in the rear end. So why act surprised when we fight back with equally aggressive tactics to protect our self dignity and just place in this world, especially on the football field.

But if you want ONE statement that sums up the difference between you and the general Australian football fan it is...

"One thing I am severely off at, is that I spent like 50 dollars on a Uruguay jersey and now there's less and less chance I'll be able to wear it for the near future"

That's just plain SAD!!!

I was joking around with that comment, if you want to take it literally go ahead. Knock yourself out. I was making fun of the fact that we didn't qualify, not that I regreted anything. I love this kit compared to the other one I have. Laugh instead of cry. You're scraping the bottom of the barrel with that nonsense, I take back every complimenting your intelligence.
What's sad is that you're probably 30 years older than me, but resort to insulting me with nonsense such as that. Were you even at the last game?? I don't think so, atleast I don't remember reading such. Haven't really paid attention to you before you quoted me, though. Excuse me if you were. I traveled 12 hours to be at the first leg from Argentina. And I've made the same trip alone beforehand in the qualifiers a couple times, how the f.uck are you going to talk down to me and tell me what a fan is?? Just shut up. You're an idiot. Do you want my opinion on the average Australian football fan, since you commented on me so freely and negatively?? The average Australian football fan knows nothing of passion or history. You have none. People laugh at the United States in terms of football, and I wouldn't rank Australia in the same league as them at International level now. What kind of professional football league do you have in Australia?? Surely, it isn't top notch. Can't compare with any South American league or the MLS. Canadian football leagues might be on par or even ahead. Dwight Yorke not the big name playing in Australia?? What exactly do you have to be proud of, mate?? Please tell me. Does Australia produce countless quality players like Uruguay does year after year, sending them all across Europe?? I don't think they do. Is your whole country at all passionate about football like Uruguay is?? Do you see kids playing football in the middle of the street everywhere?? Are there football fields every few blocks, or atleast one makeshift one kids put together in Australia?? Everyone you know support a club, and defend them at all costs when think think someone have no room to talk badly about it and their players?? Do you actually know what it is to see people hate eachother on sight because of the clubs they support?? Is there any derby in Australia that can compare to Penarol vs. Nacional, or River vs. Boca?? I think second/third division derbys in either Argentina or Uruguay have more going on, but I gave you the most popular. Going to the World Cup means NOTHING to the average Australian fan compared to a Uruguayan. NOTHING. I've been living in Argentina for the past 2 years or almost that, my past two years mean more than anything probably YOU or the "Average Australian football fan" will feel or see of the sport in their lifetime. One first division game in Argentina means more than you could ever experience in Australia during a lifetime. Just shut the fu.ck up and don't ever think you can comment on me and what type of fan I am. You're having a laugh. A serious laugh.... :eyebrow

I never came in here wanting to argue with anyone, but debate. This isn't what I set out for, but it's obvious no one of can undserstand that. What's sad is that you feel the need to dissect and give false meaning to every little word I say,
so as for you to to try to manipulate it and get whatever little point across that you try to make. That's what is sad. The fact that you STILL do not understand the basis of what I was saying, and continue to lecture me with "demands of modern football" and other excuses. It is what it is, accept it and don't try to dress it up as anything else. I haven't in regards to Uruguay, maybe you should start doing the same. Your team played just as dirty if not dirtier. Elbowing Recoba in the head on purpose, or targeting Forlan and making him
leave the game when he didn't even have the ball - demands of the modern game?? I understand the rivalry and being fed up by getting pushed around, but don't dress it up as anything else but what it is. You are the arrogant one. Get over yourself. El Stinger atleast admitted to Australia's play over the last two games, you're still trying to dress it up
and give me a lecture. Did you ever see me denying anything bad said about Uruguay, I don't think I did. If I agree with someone, I'll agree. You're thick-head and refuse to see the truth in what I say, and keep on coming at me with the past. I never claimed that they were angels. Why are you lecturing me?? For all the debating skills you think you have, you're really an idiot. Alot of what you say is unneccesary in regards to what I have said, you just waste your time typing it out and my time reading it and responding. You look for an argument when I think that I really haven't acted all that disrespectfully. I've been joking around with El Stinger and what not even. And have said that I wasn't coming from a bad place. You're the one forcing me to be rude. That whole rant about the Australian fan is due to you, if you want to come at me like that...I will certainly show you up. And, frankly, that's what I did. I like Australia, you are forcing me to appear like I hate everything in regards to it by responding to your nonsense. I enjoyed watching Australia in the Confederations Cup, I like some Australian players in Kewell and Aloisi (Always looked out for him when he was at Osasuna), I like Australian bands, and I've interacted with many Australians online due to my posting on an Australian bands website. They're likeable people. I just don't like you. You forced me to talk badly about Australia, when I really don't have any bad feeling. You wanted to have a go about who a fan was, and I told you. That's it. :eyebrow

Uruguay have more than enough talent to beat Australia over two legs, and more than enough talent not to be playing this play-off and to qualify directly." (And the reason you didn't is Australia's fault??...so why are you playing this 2 leg qualifier?? You had months and months to sack the coach. Australia had just a few short weeks with their coach before coming up against the mighty Uruguay).

Did I ever say it was Australia's fault?? I mean it directly is since they won over two legs, but I didn't blame them for
anything else.

Do you see how you waste my time with unneccesary garbage?? I even said that I knew it would be tough the moment we clinched the play-off spot. I've seen Australia in the Confederations Cup and everything. I knew they weren't going to be pushovers. I still stand by what I said. Uruguay have loads more talent than Australia in individuals. If you want to argue with me on that, go ahead. Save yourself the trouble, though, because we both know that you would lose. I've spoken out about their team play and have blamed the coach for this. They were close to sacking him a couple times, they didn't because they didn't. I'm not on the board, I don't have a say. I, personally, feel that if Uruguay had a better coach take over when Fossati did it would have been very different for Uruguay. The Copa America was good, but their team play since then has mostly been terrible with a few highlights here and there. And with the talent they have, I don't see where the problem lies but in the coach. I feel this generation of players did have a right to go to the World Cup, it was a good squad. What do you want me to say?? I never said divine right. Do you see how you manipulate things?? How old are you?? Notice how you didn't quote how I said that most knowledgable Uruguay fans know that Uruguay would have been lucky to go to the World Cup, with how the way that they haven't really developed a system of play that shows them as a good team (instead of just great individuals). Notice how you didn't quote how I said that their right was do to their talent also. That's mainly what I was basing it out, you choose what you want to see. If you think that no one is going to win the argument, why do you try so hard to?? Although, I could see where Recoba was coming from. Uruguay have won the World Cup twice, in regards to footballing history Uruguay are ahead of Australia. They've earned their respect in world football. You people take his comments too seriously. He was just trying to get people fired up. If you notice, I even said he was wrong for doing it and I don't like it when people are cocky. This is yet another thing you've wasted my time on responding to. Read first, then comment on my post. If you feel my comments discredited Australia's win, we could have settled that with a few sentences. I never said that Australia played terribly or anything. Look at all the garbage you made me type out to counteract yours. I bet you feel stupid also insulting me as a football fan. What do the average Australian football fan have over me?? Such a joke...

And, yes, the smilies were to annoy you...

by **Kid a** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:25 am

AussieKopite wrote:
Red wrote:I'm an aussie an I was not impressed with the booing of the national anthem nor the diving or elbow swinging by our team. I did see Urugay do all the above, but we are better than that.

Kewell played ok, but after 40 mins of play he was tired and stopped really penetrating the Urugayin defence also the goal came from a miss kick of his. I was happy to see his confidence back, but he is certainly not back to his best. Oh for all the kewell haters out there who want him sold. Root for him to have a blinder in the world cup when big clubs go mad spending in the months post world cup, eg Houllier : Diouf.

Although, I can't believe that palm into Cahill's face went completely missed.

It was so blatant.

That was Gonzalo Rodriguez. I commented on that, while also commenting on Australia. Many things went unpunished on both sides. The ref was terrible. Just saying this, because some people are blind and just want to have a go at people for no reason...

by **el_stinger** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:17 am

Lionheart wrote:
el_stinger wrote:Lionheart.... If only all your posts were as reasonable and expertly written like this one. My sentiments are the same, and for once you and I are thinking on the same page. But, when are you going to admit that Viduka sucks??

Now I'm REALLY worried!!!

We'll just have to agree to disagree re. Viduka. Can you cope with that??

OMG, seriously, Viduka was rotten. It capped it off when he stepped up to the spot, and like the dud he is goofed it wide of the post. He can be there, but he is not International Player material. Maybe he should go back to Sydney.

by **el_stinger** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:27 am

Kid a wrote:The average Australian football fan knows nothing of passion or history.

You are a fu.ckhead. Typical Urgayan arrogant, pigheaded mierda. Concha su Madre hijo de puta. Guevon!

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