stu_the_red wrote:stmichael wrote:stu_the_red wrote:He has Marcus Bent and Defoe who never seem to get anywhere near the team despite showing masses of potential and ability.
nearly fell off my seat there stu.
i presume you mean darren bent? please tell me you do.
No i meant the lad from Everton
I dunno why i keep getting them mixed up. (yes i meant Darren).
Ace Ventura wrote:I agree if you take Lampards goals away he is quite average.
I also dont think he is in the same class as Gerrard who has an all round midfield game, but at the end of the day whatever you say about lampard he will score goals and it is in games that count.
Remember the 2 away at Bayern Munich for Chelsea ?
I like Parker and he deserves a chance, he also has a good all round midfield game and as i previously said i think they could play Parker in the holding role with Gerrard Lampard and Beckham ahead of him,we dont have any width in the team with cole and beckham in them areas anyway so it shouldnt affect the balance too much. It would just give the back 4 some guaranteed protection. imo to take Lampard out of the England team is laughable...he was our top scorer in the qualifiers...love him or hate him.
Santa wrote:stu_the_red wrote:stmichael wrote:stu_the_red wrote:He has Marcus Bent and Defoe who never seem to get anywhere near the team despite showing masses of potential and ability.
nearly fell off my seat there stu.
i presume you mean darren bent? please tell me you do.
No i meant the lad from Everton
I dunno why i keep getting them mixed up. (yes i meant Darren).
Kevin Beattie...anyone?
stu_the_red wrote:Holding midfielder Ledley King?
Don't make laugh. As good a player as he is he's not a centre mid, do that against a good side and you'll come unstuck.
Parker or even Carrick (who i don't think is brilliant but is a good player) should be in there.
The team balence is incorrect with Lampard in the centre, yet he refuses to find another alternative to him. Parker for me is a better player than Lampard or is at least as good, due to Franks reputation though, he keeps his place. Gerrard and Lampard will not give you the right balance.
He then has Dean Ashton, who is the typical old style centre forward, he's got good skill, decent pace, very strong, superb in the air, very intelligent with his passing and build up play and knows where the net is. Yet he continues to look at the likes or Crouch and Heskey, while both players have decent ability, neither are what you would call top quality.
He has Darren Bent and Defoe who never seem to get anywhere near the team despite showing masses of potential and ability.
He lets Beckham drift all over the show which helps lose the balence. The problem is, now people believe Beckham isn't the player he was, he's still a class act, just used wrongly. His crossing and passing are still second to none and he's still probably one of the best right sided (not central) midfield players in world football.
You then have the left side. He's tried the world and his wife there. Yet he won't give Gareth Barry a go. Who is easily the best player at Villa and easily one of the most consistent players in the country. Very much like Finnan in that he's solid rather than spectacular but he knows how to defend, can deliever a cross, add width and generally knows how to play left midfield and left back. A good player who's never had a look in down to Svens cluelessness.
Jermaine Pennant. Again, a quality player with alot in his locker, better than Wright-Phillips alround and doesn't get a look in. Sven might tell you its down to discipline, yet i know the fact is its because he hasn't got a clue.
Lee Bowyer is another one who should be in and around the squad, i can however understand him not being picked.
Stewart Downing and even Steven Warnock should be in and around the squad. Yet he doesn't bat an eyelid in there direction without a shove. Danny Murphy could be in and around the squad, Kirkland, Robinson and Green should be the goalkeepers, yet he keeps picking James...
The mans clueless, i won't even go into his tactical play....
BarryBelfast wrote:Right enough though thats th M/F i would pick,no way Sven will though,he'll always start golden balls!!
Btw Beckham has been worldclass for R Madrid has anyone been watching??
Still he wouldnt fit into my England team!!
To be honest I've not been watching the Spanish league this season, but it doesn't really matter, judging Beckham by his England performances he shouldn't be playing. Time to give others a chance.
Espionage wrote:what about his current from for Real Madrid, how can you argue with that??
john craig wrote:I know Barry, It's a disgrace Beckham starts every game for England, never mind being captain. When was the last time he produced a match-winning display for them? A long time ago, and for the captain that's not good enough.
To be honest I've not been watching the Spanish league this season, but it doesn't really matter, judging Beckham by his England performances he shouldn't be playing. Time to give others a chance.
john craig wrote:stu_the_red wrote:Holding midfielder Ledley King?
Don't make laugh. As good a player as he is he's not a centre mid, do that against a good side and you'll come unstuck.
Parker or even Carrick (who i don't think is brilliant but is a good player) should be in there.
The team balence is incorrect with Lampard in the centre, yet he refuses to find another alternative to him. Parker for me is a better player than Lampard or is at least as good, due to Franks reputation though, he keeps his place. Gerrard and Lampard will not give you the right balance.
He then has Dean Ashton, who is the typical old style centre forward, he's got good skill, decent pace, very strong, superb in the air, very intelligent with his passing and build up play and knows where the net is. Yet he continues to look at the likes or Crouch and Heskey, while both players have decent ability, neither are what you would call top quality.
He has Darren Bent and Defoe who never seem to get anywhere near the team despite showing masses of potential and ability.
He lets Beckham drift all over the show which helps lose the balence. The problem is, now people believe Beckham isn't the player he was, he's still a class act, just used wrongly. His crossing and passing are still second to none and he's still probably one of the best right sided (not central) midfield players in world football.
You then have the left side. He's tried the world and his wife there. Yet he won't give Gareth Barry a go. Who is easily the best player at Villa and easily one of the most consistent players in the country. Very much like Finnan in that he's solid rather than spectacular but he knows how to defend, can deliever a cross, add width and generally knows how to play left midfield and left back. A good player who's never had a look in down to Svens cluelessness.
Jermaine Pennant. Again, a quality player with alot in his locker, better than Wright-Phillips alround and doesn't get a look in. Sven might tell you its down to discipline, yet i know the fact is its because he hasn't got a clue.
Lee Bowyer is another one who should be in and around the squad, i can however understand him not being picked.
Stewart Downing and even Steven Warnock should be in and around the squad. Yet he doesn't bat an eyelid in there direction without a shove. Danny Murphy could be in and around the squad, Kirkland, Robinson and Green should be the goalkeepers, yet he keeps picking James...
The mans clueless, i won't even go into his tactical play....
A lot of good points Stu, agree with a fair few of them.
The (lack of) balance in the England midfield is the root of all their problems. On the left Joe Cole has improved his end-product over the last year at club level, but he's not International class, his decision-making isn't good enough, wastes the ball too much.
Gerrard and Lampard don't function together, simple as that, they both can't play in the centre. And on the right, I don't think Beckham is half as dangerous as he was at his peak with United. Not entirely his fault as he has played out right, then centre mid, then out right again constantly over the last few years for both club and country. But I don't think he gets into as many crossing positions as he used to (and crossing is his main attribute) and he is too fond of the long pass, he neglects the simple parts of his game. He can't play centrally imo as he is atrocious at tackling. As for being captain, he handles the media well and is a good ambassador, but he is not a leader on the pitch. The younger players look more to Campbell, Terry and even Gary Neville for leadership I think.
Don't agree with Gareth Barry, I think he is a good premiership player but he's not an International. I don't see what the obsession is with England in terms of having no naturally left sided wingers. Chelsea are effective with Duff and Robben out wide who are both left footed, so why can't England play 2 good right footed wingers and make it work? Also Pennant is good, but better than SWP? Not sure about that Stu to be honest. A better crosser yes, but SWP is quality, he's a better dribbler and carries more of a goal threat. They are quite different players but I'd still go with SWP over Pennant.
Personally this is the midfield I'd go with, ignoring reputations:
(Left) Wright-Phillips Lampard Parker Gerrard (Right)
Gerrard and SWP can swap wings and Parker can sit and allow Lampard to go forward
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