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neil wrote:When this gun was fired did anyone take note of the atmospheric conditions? It is well documented that overcast conditions in cricket can adversely effect the 'swing' causing it to 'outswing'. Also the bullet has already been shown to suffer from a  'dopla-effect' in which it violently shifts from side to side during propulsion. These could well be the root of our problems causing inability to 'burst the onion bag'

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JohnBull wrote:Leon
Without the tradition, without the 60s,70s,80s, there would be no LFC as we know it. If you don't look back you have no datum to judge your present position by.  It will take Chelsea years to get what we already have, you cannot buy it and it is that bond which keeps the fabric of "LFC" together.
If you don't like living in the shadows move into the light.

neil wrote:

NiftyNeil wrote:

JohnBull wrote:If you shoot at a target and miss, who do you blame?
Do you blame the bullet ? blame the rifle ? blame the trigger ? or do you blame the guy on the trigger ?

Otherwise you can always blame the target !

What about the ballistics and the sight? Come to think about it, what about the guy who sold the bullets and the guy that made the gun? What about the grip on the gun, if this is faulty, then how can he fire a good shot? 

just joining in the fun Paul.

Effes wrote:Remember when we got knocked out the cup to Burnley last season?
Everyone was slagging off Rafa then too. We hadn't been too clever in the CL either.
For me personally, Rafa will turn it around eventually.
But it wont happen overnight.

Yeah he turned it round in the CL but he didn't in the league which is our bread and butter 

Leonmc0708 wrote:

JohnBull wrote:Leon
Without the tradition, without the 60s,70s,80s, there would be no LFC as we know it. If you don't look back you have no datum to judge your present position by.  It will take Chelsea years to get what we already have, you cannot buy it and it is that bond which keeps the fabric of "LFC" together.
If you don't like living in the shadows move into the light.

John Bull

You read it wrong, its always about trying to make yourself out as a better supporter than everyone else cus you went to or know about or embrace games from the glorious past of this club.

We all get it wrong sometimes (every close season with you) and the passion we have about the club can not be measured by how much we embrace or know about the past mate.

I respect you a lot, but to try and be little me rather than take up the discussion is sad mate.

By your reckoing, how far do we go back, cus we where in the 2nd division once, so to be in the top flight is progress using your theory.

Fact of the matter is, Rafa has not just inherited Shanks or Uncle bob's squad, he picks up the team after years of mis management at various levels. To think its just a matter of buying two players and working with the others for twelve months and they suddenly play like we did in the olden days is naive.

Anyone who says that Shaks or Uncle Bob would turn in their grave after the magic of Istanbul is clueless.

You have to look at it rationally mate. If a man can win the biggest cup in club football with our (mediocre to average) team last year, and win the spanish league with Valencia against the might of Barca and Real two out of three years then he MUST have the right credentials to mount a challenge here for us.

He simply must have the time to assemble the squad that he wants, and to assert upon the players the way that he wants things to be done.

There is not (as JBG mentioned) a magic formula or wand or lucky rabbits foot to rub that will make this happen overnight.

Our targets this season must surely be:

1)     Finish above Arsenal, Man United or both.
2)     Close the gap on top spot to 3-4 (5 at the most) wins
3)     Progress in europe to the semis or better
4)     Maybe an FA cup final appearence

Did anyone really think we would challenge for the title this season ?

Effes wrote:Remember when we got knocked out the cup to Burnley last season?
Everyone was slagging off Rafa then too. We hadn't been too clever in the CL either.
For me personally, Rafa will turn it around eventually.
But it wont happen overnight.

stiff*little*fingers wrote:

Effes wrote:Remember when we got knocked out the cup to Burnley last season?
Everyone was slagging off Rafa then too. We hadn't been too clever in the CL either.
For me personally, Rafa will turn it around eventually.
But it wont happen overnight.

The CL final was won with the grit and determination of Stevie Gerrard and he is still carrying the team now.Dudek was also of course a star that night and look what benitez done to him.Cisse hardly gets a start because he favours the spanish morientes.the excuses will continue and we are becoming everybodys favourite laughing stock.