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by **vlady16.1** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:29 am

i'm currently watching the red wing game 5-1 end of 2nd -- and i have a question since hockey is really footy on ice

detroit has this fellow tomas holmstrom who's job is to get in front of the goalie and basically flatulate on him
well we have crouch -- now why can't he just play to the wide side of the goalie as physically tight as he can-- letting the goalie know exactly where he is -- the man is huge == as i fully believe in 'stretching the defence' i really think this will open some space -- i realize he has skill but it does no good for him to be out in 'the play' == we really need those ugly goals that kill the other team

just a thought== i can't be at the kop -- just 3k miles away so this may be happening but i don't see it on tv

by **bigmick** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:12 am

vlady16.1 wrote:i'm currently watching the red wing game 5-1 end of 2nd -- and i have a question since hockey is really footy on ice

detroit has this fellow tomas holmstrom who's job is to get in front of the goalie and basically flatulate on him
well we have crouch -- now why can't he just play to the wide side of the goalie as physically tight as he can-- letting the goalie know exactly where he is -- the man is huge == as i fully believe in 'stretching the defence' i really think this will open some space -- i realize he has skill but it does no good for him to be out in 'the play' == we really need those ugly goals that kill the other team

just a thought== i can't be at the kop -- just 3k miles away so this may be happening but i don't see it on tv

Hockey maybe "Footy on ice" mate but there are differences. The tactic (I think) you are referring to is practiced in parks and jumpers for goalpost kickabouts throughout the land. It has various regional names, in my neck of the woods it was called goal hanging, but the actual technique never varies. It usually involves some fat glory hunter dawdling in front of the opposing goalie, hoping for a deft deflection or subtle flick to score a goal before wheeling away in delight before his bored pals..
It has some merit in that it is very annoying and extremely difficult to defend against. Indeed, consensus amongst the playground tacticians is that practically the only method that consistently produces any results is the one known as "zonal lacing". This is where the whole team take it in turns to kick the sh!te out of the offender, soas not to incurr the wrath of the imaginary referee.
Some bod at the FIFA headquarters has obviously been perplexed in his youth by the defensive difficulties the system poses, because they designed a law with the express intention of preventing it. It's at this point that Soccer and Ice-Hockey swerve apart at right angles, this is the main difference in the rules it seems to me, (although in Soccer I think theres no actual rule that says you can't beat somebody up with a Hockey stick) it's called the offside rule. What this states is that if a player is...maybe another time eh.

by **Sabre** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:53 am

The tactic (I think) you are referring to is practiced in parks and jumpers for goalpost kickabouts throughout the land. It has various regional names, in my neck of the woods it was called goal hanging

Yeah, it's international tactic, "Chupagol" (Goalsucker) here

Anyway, pressing the goalie is not a stupid tactic, you can get one of those deflecting goals from time to time, but most importantly, the goalie might get nervous and do a non effective kick, ending the ball in throw in or something. When one of this goalie mistakes occur, all the defence can lose confidence and concentration, so I appreciate this kind of Forwards that are not lazy, and tries this things, as they might not appear in TV highlights, but are more important than it seems at the first glance.

Sabre

by **vlady16.1** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:38 pm

mick i'm cognizant of the offside rule BUT one may move offside and return onside too -- what i'm saying is that when one has a worrisome player why not use him to cause problem-- crouch at 20 yrds out is not as bothersome as when he could be on top of the goalie and he may just drag the defence back in thus opening space

i realize it ain't pretty but i watch van nisterooy do this alot and crouch could be doing it also

by **andy_g** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:43 pm

now that the flood of golden memories inspired by mick's beautiful poetry have subsided...

pressing the goalkeeper is all very well as a plan at situations like corner kicks and inside the box indirect free-kick type situations, BUT these days if you so much as look nastily at the goalkeeper the referee blows up and its a free kick to them.

by **JC_81** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:10 pm

bigmick wrote:
vlady16.1 wrote:i'm currently watching the red wing game 5-1 end of 2nd -- and i have a question since hockey is really footy on ice

detroit has this fellow tomas holmstrom who's job is to get in front of the goalie and basically flatulate on him
well we have crouch -- now why can't he just play to the wide side of the goalie as physically tight as he can-- letting the goalie know exactly where he is -- the man is huge == as i fully believe in 'stretching the defence' i really think this will open some space -- i realize he has skill but it does no good for him to be out in 'the play' == we really need those ugly goals that kill the other team

just a thought== i can't be at the kop -- just 3k miles away so this may be happening but i don't see it on tv

Hockey maybe "Footy on ice" mate but there are differences. The tactic (I think) you are referring to is practiced in parks and jumpers for goalpost kickabouts throughout the land. It has various regional names, in my neck of the woods it was called goal hanging, but the actual technique never varies. It usually involves some fat glory hunter dawdling in front of the opposing goalie, hoping for a deft deflection or subtle flick to score a goal before wheeling away in delight before his bored pals..
It has some merit in that it is very annoying and extremely difficult to defend against. Indeed, consensus amongst the playground tacticians is that practically the only method that consistently produces any results is the one known as "zonal lacing". This is where the whole team take it in turns to kick the sh!te out of the offender, soas not to incurr the wrath of the imaginary referee.
Some bod at the FIFA headquarters has obviously been perplexed in his youth by the defensive difficulties the system poses, because they designed a law with the express intention of preventing it. It's at this point that Soccer and Ice-Hockey swerve apart at right angles, this is the main difference in the rules it seems to me, (although in Soccer I think theres no actual rule that says you can't beat somebody up with a Hockey stick) it's called the offside rule. What this states is that if a player is...maybe another time eh.

I used to hate lads that did that, bloody poachers :laugh:

You'd go on a mazy run past a few defenders and then hit a sweet shot, only for it to take an ever-so-slight deflection off the lard- :censored:

standing on the keeper, then you'd look on in dismay as he claimed your goal :no

On a serious note, obviously there's no offside in ice hockey then because that's what stops professional players from employing this school-yard tactic. Crouch would be class at it though :laugh:

by **Sabre** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:33 pm

You'd go on a mazy run past a few defenders and then hit a sweet shot, only for it to take an ever-so-slight deflection off the lard- standing on the keeper, then you'd look on in dismay as he claimed your goal

That's why it's called GoalSucker here. To combat this, we used to have a rule, I don't know if it was also applied in England:

At least here, no body wanted to be the goalie when playing in the park. So the rule was like every goal against, the last player arriving your own goal, is the new goalie. Thus, everytime you received a goal we all run as hell to our own goal, being the goalsuckers the most probable candidates to arrive the last. :laugh:

Sabre

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