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by **76-1115222408** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 7:49 am

Giant Steps Towards Cashless/Surveillance Society Going On Unnoticed In London

Tube fares go up if you want to use cash, go down if you use cashless "Smartcard"

Steve Watson | October 04 2005

We have previously exposed how there is a movement afoot towards a cashless society, to be tied into the surveillance database grid behind national ID cards and Biometric Passports and driving licenses.

A cashless society would mean total control over everyone as people would be forced to pay for everything electronically. Every purchase would be traceable and the ability to buy or sell could be halted immediately at any given moment.

The latest beta tests are going on at the moment with electronic smartcards, biometric readers and RFID tags, which are gaining increasing momentum despite mass public distrust of such devices.

The BBC has today reported on how London's transport fares are to be put up, but only for people who wish to pay in cash. For those who get an electronic smart card, the price will go down.

The Mayor even had the nerve to state that it was the "free choice" of people as to whether they continue to pay by cash.

The oyster card is waved over a reader in underground stations to gain entry, users top it up as they would credit on a cell phone.

Its is all about getting people used to a cashless society in which it is deemed an inconvenience to have actual money. It will become positively embarrassing to be seen to hold up the queue because you want to use real money.

I live in London and I only occasionally use the tube, thus I have no call to get an Oyster card. This is clearly aimed at people who do not need a smart card but will be easily persuaded if the price is right.

It has been previously exposed how Oyster cards are also used to track commuters.

The ad campaign behind the card is that it's easier and less hassle and can magically transport you quicker, something that anyone who uses the Northern line regularly will know is BS.

We have continually warned how these big brother tools will be marketed as convenient as well as cool and fashionable. Even the Oyster Smartcard is being marketed in this way as people are wearing it on handbags and clothing.

The ultimate element of a controlled cashless society is of course the implantable microchip. We have previously exposed how this is being used in Europe to gain VIP access to nightclubs and pay for drinks.

How long will it be before we have to take the chip to get on the tube?

by **Woollyback** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:47 pm

did you know many big retailers (particularly clothing retailers) already insert microscopic tags into their garments which register every time you go in and out of one of their shops? it's all for market research purposes so they say, but it's clear to see that the technology could easily be used (or might already be) to track people's movements unwittingly

i for one heartily disagree with id cards, if i wanna walk down a street anywhere in britain anonymously and retain the right to keep my identity to myself then that's my business, i don't want to live in a place where the state can legally force me to prove my identity on demand

another method which could easily be misused is the "pay as you go" road tax and insurance technology which has been proposed, basically your car gets tracked by GPS wherever you go and you pay per mile. this is far too much information for anybody other than yourself to know imo

i remember reading an article many years ago about how it would be virtually impossible to live anywhere in the uk and "drop off the radar", never using anything other than cash, never using loyalty cards, never having an NI number, never paying tax, never recieving mail, never using a bank etc etc it would be impossible

by **hawkmoon269** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:55 pm

Revelation 13:16,17 "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

by **Woollyback** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:55 pm

hawkmoon269 wrote:Revelation 13:16,17 "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

666: the number of the beast

667: the neighbour of the beast

by **hawkmoon269** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:02 pm

999 - his Australian Cousin

by **hawkmoon269** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:03 pm

Woollyback wrote:
hawkmoon269 wrote:Revelation 13:16,17 "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

666: the number of the beast

667: the neighbour of the beast

Good song that!

by **woof woof !** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:22 pm

Woollyback wrote:666: the number of the beast

667: the neighbour of the beast

666 A .

The fella who's sublettin' from the Beast .

by **andy_g** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:33 pm

Woollyback wrote:666: the number of the beast

667: the neighbour of the beast

actually, 667 would be the guy living across the road from the beast. 664 and 668 would be the neighbours. :nod

by **JBG** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:35 pm

Mobile phone companies want to push targeted marketing at customers through their networks.

For example, you might be walking about half a mile away from a McDonalds and you'll get a text message alerting you to the fact.

by **hawkmoon269** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:37 pm

JBG wrote:Mobile phone companies want to push targeted marketing at customers through their networks.

For example, you might be walking about half a mile away from a McDonalds and you'll get a text message alerting you to the fact.

And that would be the day my mobile ends up in the next bin!

by **Woollyback** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:54 pm

andy_g wrote:
Woollyback wrote:666: the number of the beast

667: the neighbour of the beast

actually, 667 would be the guy living across the road from the beast. 664 and 668 would be the neighbours.

how did i just know some smarta*se was going to metion that, and how did i just know that smarta*se was going to be you

actully i'm reliably informed that the beast lives one one of those new barratt estates where the numbers just go up one house to the next instead of odds & evens on either side of the road :rasp

by **76-1115222408** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:57 pm

Woollyback wrote:i for one heartily disagree with id cards, if i wanna walk down a street anywhere in britain anonymously and retain the right to keep my identity to myself then that's my business, i don't want to live in a place where the state can legally force me to prove my identity on demand

YES!!!!

by **andy_g** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:48 pm

Woollyback wrote:
andy_g wrote:
Woollyback wrote:666: the number of the beast

667: the neighbour of the beast

actually, 667 would be the guy living across the road from the beast. 664 and 668 would be the neighbours.

how did i just know some smarta*se was going to metion that, and how did i just know that smarta*se was going to be you

actully i'm reliably informed that the beast lives one one of those new barratt estates where the numbers just go up one house to the next instead of odds & evens on either side of the road

reliable old andy_g

so the beast is moving up in the world? must be a lot of demand for quality beasting thse days.

and on the subject of invasion of privacy, RFID, and all sorts of tracking and monitoring technologies - well, that IS the beast. and one of the problems is that loads of young people (i.e. target market) either aren't aware or even think its cool.

i do a bit of teaching now and again on a smart design and multimedia MA. one of my recent students proposed for his final project an RFID based thing whereby sufficiently 'privelaged' consumers would be entitled to certain direct marketing bumpf. less 'privelaged' or credit-worthy consumers would still be targeted but with all sorts of less appropriate crap.

the scary thing is that many marketing and advertising execs would think this is a great idea, and i'm sure its being developed here there and everywhere anyway - but i felt like knocking the fecker across the room.

by **drummerphil** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 9:03 pm

I totally agree i,m against ID cards too,imagine in years to come you go out on a date and you hand over your cards over to each other within minutes you know everything about each other in 2 minutes flat,your date would last 5 minutes flat and you cant bull :censored:

the girl into bed any more......what a b@stard

by **76-1115222408** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:39 am

Nice to see people are against ID CARDS. That really is the beginning of the end for life as we have come to know and love it, trust me.

I really thought people didnt give a f.uck. Well its not like loads of you are saying it, but for me, one is enough, we have to fight this and make sure it comes down to a vote, instead of just being implemented, as every-f.ucking-thing is at the moment. Like the congestion charge in London being extended, despite 75% of people in the proposed extended zone being against it.

What a great thing democracy is!!!!

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