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by **siti_zaiton1982** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:16 pm

It was a biggest mistake that we didn't buy CB,Hyppia definitely looked jaded .... i won't buy any papers for tomorrow.Wondering what's Mourinho got to say.

by **jack66** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:18 pm

classic counter,i think if that :censored:

traore(i was defending him the other day)hadnt given the pen away we would have seen a different game.

by **mikopool** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:18 pm

Crouch is fantastic, he just needs another striker alongside him, when he is the only focal point he doesn't get space, and when he doesn't get space, he can't use that height of his. He holds up the ball well and he has skinned players with cutting passes a number of times, its only a matter of time.

by **siti_zaiton1982** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:19 pm

Rafa & the players will be definitely be gutted with the results today & i believe they will come back stronger comes next week.

by **jack66** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:19 pm

confidence in the rest of the team will go down hill ,when you see your defence making :censored:

ups like that.

by **lakes10** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:21 pm

Crouch was great today he was just unlucky...the same can not be said for the manager

by **lakes10** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:22 pm

our worse start in 13 years and somthing big should be done about it.

by **lfclfclfc** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:23 pm

we need a solid defence. if we have had a backline like cheatskis, we would be on par. carra just simply can't do four men's job. hyypia is getting skinned everytime he gets drawn out. traore is still a big time bomb and finnan has got to be covered time and again by carra. get a CB and LB, then think of RM and possibly a striker.

by **Homebooby** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:24 pm

I think that Rafa does have a point in how we played in the first half. We did look fairly strong, it was a good first half with a few poor mistakes made.

The results aren't there though and that still stems from the same problem as before....we ain't penetrating at all. No need to worry though...Kewell will be back soon and all our troubles with be over :eyebrow

by **onizukaeikichi** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:28 pm

gotta wonder hows cisse feeling, the 5-4-1 formation just pisses me off and traore & hyppia will have to leave ,traore just aint that good enught for us and hyppia had passed his prime
not only that i think rafa should just get rid of most of the players in the squad and replace them throughly

by **JBG** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:29 pm

Absolutely sickened after that match.

We competed very well and a 1-4 defeat is hard to take. Chelsea deserved to win but not by that scoreline.

The difference today was that we approached the game the same way we did on Wednesday whereas Chelsea changed things. They played more ball into Drogba's feet rather than hit him long, and this worked a treat for them. We tried to hit Crouch but Chelsea just smoothered him.

Chelsea's defences was simply awesome and we never looked like breaking it down. Our formation of 4-2-3-1 is flawed in that the two wide players who make up the three behind Crouch simply are not good enough. Riise and Garcia simply couldn't get behind their centre backs.

Sammi Hyppia was cruelly exposed although I'm sure my friend Stu will take my head off for suggesting that.

I was more concerned with our forward play rather than our defence, however. We had no cutting edge and we never looked like getting behind them.

Chelsea will now go on and win the league at a canter, although there is no romance whatsoever to them. They are a nihilistic club with hollow values and this was summed up by the disgraceful gamesmanship of Drogba and Joe Cole in today's game. I'd go so far as to say that the emergence of Chelsea is the death of football in England. We all hated Man UTD at the height of their success but at least Man UTD played with flair and panache. The bulk of Man UTD's players were either astute signings and young players brought through the youth team rather than a galaxy of hugely expensive purchases. I can't see anybody stopping Chelsea over the next couple of years.

by **GunGod** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:32 pm

Ok, first and foremost i am in absolute shock that people here are calling for Rafa's head. That's totally uncalled for. One bad game and all knives are out, you bunch (you know who you are) can't be geniune supporters. Go support some other teams you fair-weathered fans.

4-5-1 proved to be a success a few days back, Chelsea looked scared to say the least. So it makes perfect sense to put out the same team (almost) again. Put your hand to your heart and say whether you would risk putting out a different formation.

Why things didn't work out today wasn't totally Rafa's fault but the players didn't play according to plan, or simply wasn't able to. Look, would you have thought that Traore would commit such a foul? It almost looked like he did it on purpose. Nowhere near the ball and takes away both of Drogba's legs. Drogba was sent writhing on the floor and notice the replays, he looked at the referee as he was rolling on the ground. I wouldn't blame Drogba though, cos i know every Pool player would have also gone down looking for a penalty with such a stupid tackle.

This defeat should be nothing out of the unexpected if we realize it. See, we knew all along that Traore is not cut out for football at this level. Similarly, we all knew that Hypia is getting slower and slower. Hypia was left standing by Drogba and played Joe Cole onside.Also, we knew that Reina could not be counted on to make anything other than textbook saves. He had a good chance to stop Drogba for one of the goals but he simply couldn't. Furthermore, we all know that Garcia is the point at which we often lose our attacking impetutus and possession. So what's new?

You guys blame Rafa, but who else could he have brought on? Cisse? No, he's not anything special. Sissoko? I think Hamann had a good reason to be included after Wed's game. So who else? Warnock for Traore - yes I would agree to that though.

For those who thought that Crouch played poorly, I must say that he gave you guys the typical performance which you guys have been raving about for weeks. Yet the double standards of you guys decided that when the result's not good, then he must be playing shi.t. But he played largely the same way as he has been for the past few games. He actually even managed to convince me that despite his height, he is one of the better controllers of the ball with his touches.

That said, Crouch is of cos not the perfect striker. He's like a robin to a batman, he needs someone to finish off what he provides. He has yet to head anything on target so far too. But his lay-offs has been good and he's been giving us more time in attack simply by not losing possession easily.

This is a weird game. I feel that our players did not play particularly poorly, and were absolutely committed. The reason for defeat, as much as i would hate to admit it, is that the opposition's of a better grade than us, simple as that. Chelski were far more organized in defence and attack. While our defence uncharacteristically collasped, our attack characteristically had no ideas.

nevertheless, this game has made me hate more people. First on my list - Frank Lampard. The audacity of him to 'shush' the kop. on my god. that really made me blood boil.the arrogance of that @*#(@! secondly - andy gray - he nvr had any good words for pool. any 50-50 decisions are supposed to go in chelski's favor, and anything bad (bad tackles etc) we do, he makes it sound as if we are criminals. Anything chelsea does well, he magnifies it by 10. when are they going to realize that he shouldn't be commenting on our games?

anyway, the one thing rafa did wrong was to brag in midweek. about how we know how to beat chelsea and all. it kinda made us feel superior, and that chelsea was supposed to be afraid of us. had we kept that underdog mentality,maybe we would have performed better.

lastly, as a lot of you had said, though you lot have been defeated, but YOU WILL NEVER WALK ALONE REDMEN!!

by **akumaface** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:33 pm

siti_zaiton1982 wrote:It was a biggest mistake that we didn't buy CB,Hyppia definitely looked jaded .... i won't buy any papers for tomorrow.Wondering what's Mourinho got to say.

Why didn't you say that when we were 0-0 on Wednesday night? Come on, we are one of the team that played well against chelski but they are just too :censored:

good. I hated Chelski but we have to be man enough to admit we got beat by a better team today. I'm sure I will not sleep well tonight but we still need to play the away games and just keep our finger crossed. Don't lose hope guys!! Rock on!!

And Oh, Crouch was great today and he held up the ball very well even against Chelski and that tell you something about his ability. I'm sure Nando and Cisse both could not do what he does. Also, Cisse looked disinterest and I understand it was late in a blown out games but he should keep working hard. As for Garcia, I agreed that he should have sub the first time as he was not doing anything but I guess we don't have lots of attacking option do we?? I hope Kewell and Nando would return and shake things up a little.

by **A.B.** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:34 pm

School boy errors cost us the game. Traore and Hyypia were woeful. Riise apart from that shot wasn't impressive, he had a good oportunity to score in the second half early on but couldn't because guess what it wasn't on his left foot..........

Then later he was open for a shot on a goal but again didn't shoot...... you guessed it, it wasn't on his left foot.

by **lakes10** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:34 pm

bring back 4-4-2 ? not sure, but the way we used our subs was bad, cisse should have started the second half, RB would have been happy with a 4th spot at the start of the year and another CL final....well i am not , give me the league title anyday.....as someone very big once said "its our bread and butter"

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