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Postby oldredeyes » Fri Apr 02, 2004 9:21 pm

I suppose Henchoz would have been better going along the lines of....
'I don't like sitting on the bench so I am going to make sure I get my place back and keep it by playing well'.
That would have kept GH and the Board happy,
But in reality everybody knows that Henchoz is way better than Biscan and nobody can understand why he is not in the team.
And if GH had any sense he would have told the lad why he was being left out in the first place.
Managers always go on about getting respect from players.
It would be nice to see GH give the players the same respect he craves himself.
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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Fri Apr 02, 2004 9:36 pm

or accepting that the fans ,just might know more than a little about football and by taking into consideration the hints they give him every match day when certain players take to the field,that they consider not capable to play in that position ie Murphy,and Biscan ,not discrediting us by ignoring our pleas for sanity,week after week we witness Biscans apparent ineptitude and Murphys sloppiness and now he expects us to believe Henchoz is out of order for airing his views .STATING THE OBVIOUS MORE LIKE
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Postby Woollyback » Fri Apr 02, 2004 11:52 pm

oldredeyes wrote:I suppose Henchoz would have been better going along the lines of....
'I don't like sitting on the bench so I am going to make sure I get my place back and keep it by playing well'.
That would have kept GH and the Board happy,
But in reality everybody knows that Henchoz is way better than Biscan and nobody can understand why he is not in the team.
And if GH had any sense he would have told the lad why he was being left out in the first place.
Managers always go on about getting respect from players.
It would be nice to see GH give the players the same respect he craves himself.

I can understand what you're saying here Redeyes but I don't think we can expect the players to be all polictical about how they get their message across. Let's leave that to the government spin doctors. (Going off on a tangent here but GH would walk into a job at Whitehall with his uncanny ability to dress up a shitstorm into a big achievement - re: "draw at Leicester was a good result")

With something as blatant as Henchoz sitting on the bench while dickhead Biscan's getting the nod I think Henchoz can be forgiven for expressing his frustration and just telling it like it is. He can't be pilloried for saying what most people are thinking. His job is on the field, not as a spokesman. He's been a loyal servant to the club, not to mention a great defender and it speaks volumes when a quiet man makes his views known. Sadly Houllier's probably got the knives out for him as we speak.

We can talk about this till we're all blue in the face but I just don't think GH has the sense and tact to step down, or the board the strength to make that decision for him.

I think we'll finish 4th (not by us deserving it, but by Newcastle failing to seize the oppotunity) and the stubborn git will stay on. If so I think we'll still have a better season than this but we still won't be within a f##king mile of Arsenal, Man U & Chelsea
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Postby ivor_the_injun » Sat Apr 03, 2004 12:29 am

This from GH in a news piece liverpoolfc.tv...

"We all gave Milan a round of applause when he returned to training because it is special to score a goal for your country. Didi Hamann scored as well for Germany."

I sincerely hope that he didn't mean that as it sounds - we clapped for Milan because he's a good lad, but not for Didi because the knives are out...
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Postby Woollyback » Sat Apr 03, 2004 12:37 am

So that's what GH said about Baros & Hamann. Would love to know what Hamann was thinking about saying to Houllier in return
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Postby 115-1073096938 » Sat Apr 03, 2004 6:23 pm

Houllier just a stubborn, arrogant moron he couldnt win us the league if man u, arsenal and chelsea dropped out!


Well that shows just how petty and personal you have become.

We have finished outside the top four once in 3 years and look like we're about to finish fourth again this season.

That comment invalidates your whole arguement imo. :)
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Postby 115-1073096938 » Sat Apr 03, 2004 7:25 pm

or accepting that the fans ,just might know more than a little about football and by taking into consideration the hints they give him every match day when certain players take to the field,that they consider not capable to play in that position ie Murphy,and Biscan ,not discrediting us by ignoring our pleas for sanity,week after week we witness Biscans apparent ineptitude and Murphys sloppiness and now he expects us to believe Henchoz is out of order for airing his views .STATING THE OBVIOUS MORE LIKE


The fact is the fans couldn't do his job any better than him. He's there because he knows about the game. Not because he he's an idiot. Do you honestly believe one of the fans could build a squad like that and take us to a cup treble, second in the league, a league cup, beating europian cup finalists (admittedly under strength but to go 3-0 up is an acheivement against a side as good as that). I'm not being funny, but people are far to quick to critisise without actually thinking about the genuine facts.
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Postby 115-1073096938 » Sat Apr 03, 2004 7:35 pm

I can understand what you're saying here Redeyes but I don't think we can expect the players to be all polictical about how they get their message across. Let's leave that to the government spin doctors. (Going off on a tangent here but GH would walk into a job at Whitehall with his uncanny ability to dress up a shitstorm into a big achievement - re: "draw at Leicester was a good result")

With something as blatant as Henchoz sitting on the bench while dickhead Biscan's getting the nod I think Henchoz can be forgiven for expressing his frustration and just telling it like it is. He can't be pilloried for saying what most people are thinking. His job is on the field, not as a spokesman. He's been a loyal servant to the club, not to mention a great defender and it speaks volumes when a quiet man makes his views known. Sadly Houllier's probably got the knives out for him as we speak.

We can talk about this till we're all blue in the face but I just don't think GH has the sense and tact to step down, or the board the strength to make that decision for him.

I think we'll finish 4th (not by us deserving it, but by Newcastle failing to seize the oppotunity) and the stubborn git will stay on. If so I think we'll still have a better season than this but we still won't be within a f##king mile of Arsenal, Man U & Chelsea


Woolyback i'm not picking on you because you're a wool mate but i disagree with alot of this.

These players have agents and advisors and if they don't know how to get a message across without p#ssing anyone off they should keep there mouth shut. They are aid rediculous amounts of money to do this and i know for a fact i'd be furious with a player if they went moaning to someone in the press about not playing. Especially if they hadn't been to talk to me first, which Henchoz clearly states he didn't do.

The point is Biscan has been chosen. He offers Liverpool more going forward from centre half than Henchoz does and offers a good link to the midfield from the defence. He is also quicker than Henchoz. I'm not condoning playing Igor by any stretch of the imagination but the fact is that is what the manager has chosen, he should shut his mouth and accept it.

Its not about sense and tact though. He clearly believes in his own ability and thats a major strength. He'll keep going untill he achieves what he wants through hard work. He has the desire and commitment to achieve success given the time and patience. He is always going to do things people disagree with, he's a similar character to myself i would think from what i've seen, but the fact of the matter is, more often than not he gets it right and thats why he's a manager and we're sitting here talking about it.

Finally in football you get what you deserve. Its as simple as that. When you go onto the pitch you get exactly what you deserve and the league table doesn't lie. There are REASONS (more than one) as to why teams finish where they do.

All this sh##e about deserving something stinks. I can't stand that attitude. It pisses me off... oh we deserved more than we got. The fact is if you don't take your chances you deserve f##k all.
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Postby Fowler_E7 » Sat Apr 03, 2004 7:53 pm

stu no one ones saying that houllier didnt do well in the past, the fact is that last season and this season we have been an absolute disgarce. do yoy really believe we have been a good side? were awful. No liverpool fan wants to say these things but facts are facts
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Postby zardd » Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:19 am

stu_the_red wrote:
The point is Biscan has been chosen. He offers Liverpool more going forward from centre half than Henchoz does and offers a good link to the midfield from the defence. He is also quicker than Henchoz. I'm not condoning playing Igor by any stretch of the imagination but the fact is that is what the manager has chosen, he should shut his mouth and accept it.

Frankly I do not think Biscan can offer anything better than Henchoz. He's rash, play weird passes to his mates which put them in trouble, pace wise isn't much better than Henchoz, whereas Henchoz is more stable & reliable.
In defence, stability should be of greater importance. Of all the combination of central defenders currently in LFC, Hyypia & Henchoz should be a much better pairing.
But I must admit we must buy a new central defender with much pace to compliment Hyypia strength & leadership at the back,otherwise we will still get exposed at the back with pacy attacking opponents.
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Postby 115-1073096938 » Sun Apr 04, 2004 1:28 pm

Look i don't disagree with Henchoz being in the team. I wouldnt pick Biscan at all. Henchoz would be my first choice. But the fact of the matter is i can see the thinking in playing Biscan. He isn't good enough imo but that doesn't mean he isn't better than Henchoz at the things i pointed out because he clearly is.

At the moment i'd rather Traore given a go than Biscan as he has the right qualities to make it in this system.

stu no one ones saying that houllier didnt do well in the past, the fact is that last season and this season we have been an absolute disgarce. do yoy really believe we have been a good side? were awful. No liverpool fan wants to say these things but facts are facts


We've been very poor, no-one disagrees. But the first three years we weren't. We were an excellent side prior two these last years and because of a blip i ain't gonna get on the managers back, especially after the injury list this season. It aint' gonna happen. He's not all of a sudden become a bad manager. Last summer his signings were mistakes, the summer just gone his signings shown vision. Kewell 25, Finnan 27 and not reached full potential and the two french kids who look superb prospects.
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Postby vlady16.1 » Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:50 pm

i fully accept that you have a far better knowledge of the game than me, but i am baffled by your strong support of gh

players played out of position, lack of tactical change during games, boring losing football, poor purchases

what i see is a demotivated team that lacks direction and very well may have given up on him-- the big 3 just play better football- are they that much better? i think not- our first 11 are quite good therefore i can only blame management-- to bring someone in is a risk- it could get worse- to stay the course will not win-- the last few years have shown that- the decline will continue, owen and gerrard will leave then we'll be ******

now i'm depressed
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Postby 115-1073096938 » Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:59 pm

Listen we aren't in decline. We haven't moved forward for two years but we aren't in decline.

I'll explain later in a new thread. :)
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Postby SantaGiveHoullierTheSack » Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:20 pm

If we are not in decline, how else do you explain the past 24 months? Our target is to match and beating team that is setting the standard right now (i.e a#se, Manure & Chelski) but instead we are having trouble and losing to teams like Bolton, Leeds, Wolves, Portsmouth, Southampton... Fighting it out to stay ahead of Villa, Birmingham, Charlton, Bolton and Newcastle is the sad scenario we are currently in. Losing in Europe to mediocre team the pass 3 seasons (Celtic, Bronby and Marseille) mean qualifying for Champions League won't mean sh*t! Our football is boring...GH must go for us to move forward...and he must go soon!
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Postby Fowler_E7 » Sun Apr 04, 2004 9:24 pm

how are we not going backwards! last year i thought it was a blip, a freak season. But you do not have two unlucky seasons. Houllier has lost the plot with his team selections and tactics. on paper we have a very good team, almost as good as man u's i would say but in terms of we play, were miles behind the top three
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