Liverpool FC Forum

by **big al** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 9:02 pm

I used to love this forum because it had so much passion and intellectual conversation. People like old red eyes and JBG brought Anfield to life. They offered the distant fans like myself (Belfast) a taste of the real Liverpool. Stu the red then came and insulted me and kept my blood boiling. Young Beavis and Dom, and all the crew members kept me alive and ticking over. In fact the membership Green_and_red ect still do. Supersub is really so aloof, I think he's probably the most passionate person on this forum but he takes so many deep breath's before he comes on, than when he does speak he is at times so non commital. I love all the intrigues and the humour of good old Cheesey. But I actually for the first time I feel that inside I'm dying.

I could'nt care less about the debates because Houllier is winning, every week his mediocrity is wearing me down. I have not took up the last two of my supporters club's ticket allocations, instead I watched BBC2 and sulked. I grow boredand tired with the team, yet Gerrard, Owen, carragher and the shirt still fill my heart. I love Liverpool, just as I did as a 9 year old sitting in front of our first colour telly watching Keegan and Tossack beating B Muchengladbach. My sisters sat in the kitchen with Kenny Rodgers in the background singing about his lose heel on his shoe( Lucille) But we won and suddenly as a club were equal to Man U. that summer ended with the Jacksons 'show you the way to go' this was our destiny because for so long we showed them all.

I don't want the old days back Iwant to move forward I want to be as good as we can be. I love the people of Liverpool, because my uncle spoke with that rich and beautiful accent. My uncle Stan, came home to with his Belfast wife ( he was a soldier here in the early 70s) and brought me a scarf that I wore playing football in the street. That scarf made me god and every kid in the street called for me for the next month. I still have the scarf. I don't have my uncle Stan! That's why I'm so offended by Stu and his small mindedness.

Anyway thats an aside, bit too long granted. I'm annoyed about shooting Houllier, beating Houllier or any overly negative thinks about Houllier. Gerald Houllier has been a very good manager for Liverpool, But he's frozen, he's stopped progressing, he had the chance and he wasted it. He will never get that back therefore he must go. Too many idiots on this forum are going way way over the top. He must go but he's not a hate figure he never will be. Those that put him as a hate figure will long regret that. Houllier turned Liverpool around. he brought us hope and allowed us to stick our finger up at the Mancs. I admit that by dwelling too long he is doing more damage but he should leave so that we all, every fan can give him a round of applause. Its like taking a scorer of a hat trick off in the 88th minute Let everyone say what a good job you did. Please leave MR Houllier

Stop the hate mail and talk with pride, history and knowledge, not anger.

by **big al** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 9:42 pm

TO MR HOULLIER

To keepin silence I resigned
My friends would Think I was a nut
Turning water into wine
open doors would soon be shut
so I went from day to day
tho my life was in a rut
till I thought of what I'd say
which connection I should cut
I was feeling part of the scenery
I walked right out of the machinery
My heart going Boom boom boom
hey he said, Grab your things
I've come to take you home.
Back home.

by **CeeBee** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:02 pm

I agree wholeheartedly with Big Al,s sentiments gh did turn the club around, yes, he has bought very poor players ,but I dont think he did that deliberately. the second class trophies are better than no trophies, I think that he SHOULD resign but i cant think of any manager worthy of replacing him who would want to come to LFC and thats what hurts me.

by **Dalglish** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:48 am

Growing up in the same generation as big Al i identify so readily with what beinga Supporter of LFc was and still is all about. the only difference being we only had a Black and white to watch the 77 Euro Cup final !! Back to reality and i honestly can't disagree with what Al's saying . The venom and Anti GH backlash on here has at times saddened me and its caused rifts between many fans. The strength of personal insults against GH have tended to cloud the issue . Houllier HAS turned LFC around, I fear we would have been in perhaps Spurs position or even Blackburn's if he had not come in and did what he has done. Thats a FACT, you can hollow, swear, curse and generaly repeat something you heard in the pub all you like but GH has given us some great memories and for that i thank him. On the flip side the ahs took LFC as far as he can and needs to call it a day, the dream is over GH for you personally but lets not forget the man nearly died !!!!!

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 11:49 pm

Well said Al,you took me back to a time when Liverpools name was synonymous with exellence and passionate support ,an era when we spent our holidays in Butlins walking ten feet tall secure in the knowledge our team had swept all before them and were the pinnacle of footballing genius ,10 years old and you felt you could take on the world,a time when Terry Mc made the goal of the season his annual award,when total football was'nt just played in Holland ,and King Kenny had graduated from royalty to the second coming ,halycon days ,the kop was a wall of noise the banter was witty ,Souness performed miracles on Anfields hallowed turf ,and everything was perfect ,a place we seen Legends perform ,and the walk back to the bus stop me our kid and me dad clutching a pack of old english spangle's after witnessing another mesmerising display by the finest team ever assembled ( started wandering a bit there , are well )

by **115-1073096938** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:14 am

Sorry for insulting you, i was p#ssed off and always say stuff i don't mean when i am.

I don't believe Houllier has done all he can yet, i believe he can at least get us back to the level we were at in 2001-2002 but thats where we'll have to disagree.

I can accept opinions like that as its sensible, maybe you have got an idea afterall. A thoughtfull and emotional post which again... made me smile. I'd rather see it put like that than, "f##k off Houllier" "Houllier out" "Houllier's sh##e" etc etc.

I hope next season he proves you wrong, for the sheer effort he's shown and guts after his surgery he deserves it in my opinion. I'd love to see him stick two fingers up to the fickle ba#ta#ds who call him sh##e.

by **115-1073096938** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:16 am

Actually thats one of the best posts i've read in a long time.

Even though i disagree with it and you made me feel guilty.

by **JBG** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:51 am

Big Al: I have noticed how depressed you have become lately. A few months ago you were as angry as anyone here, but lately you seemed forlorn and distressed with your comments.

I too rate Gerard Houllier as a decent manager who did wonderful things for Liverpool. The memories he gave us in 2001 and 2002, after so many barren years, were unforgettable, and he really looked like he had us marching us in the right direction again. He seems a nice man and I know he's going through a hard time now.

I also dislike the personal abuse he gets, particularly the "French tw#t" or "French t#s#er" nonsense. There's no need for that. People should be constructive or thoughtful in their criticism: personal abuse will get us nowhere and is a black mark against the club.

However, Houllier, while a decent manager, has his limitations, and these have been cruely exposed in the past 18 months. I think he did a great job for us, but somewhere along the way (summer 2002) he started messing with things and taking gambles, which sadly backfired. Since then he has been unable to turn things around, and every bad result now surely are nails in his coffin.

As a Liverpool supporter I sincerely hope Stu is right and Gerard Houllier turns things around next season if he's here, and honestly I would absolutely love it to see Gerard Houllier lift the Premiership trophy. If he does I will gladly eat humble pire and admit I have been wrong about him. However, I don't think I am and sadly that gives me no pleasure.

by **Woollyback** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:31 am

Come on Big Al, cheer up mate you're getting me all weepy! You were lucky you had a telly to watch the Munchengladbach game on (a colour one at that!). I had to listen to it on my dad's radio - still have it taped incidentally! Maybe cos I grew up in North Wales where they still don't have coulour telly... although if you read Leonmc's comments on other threads that should disquailfy me from any right to support LFC.....

On a more serious note I agree wholeheartedly with your point, GH isn't the devil, he isn't a sh##e manager, he has done a lot for LFC and he should not be subjected to a constant tirade of personal insults. GH's downfall is that he has taken our club as far as he can and the time is right for a fresh approach. My opinion is that MON is the man for the job, I'm not saying he is absolutely perfect but who is? Was AF when he went to Utd? no. Was AW when he joined Arsenal? no. Of all the crop of managers who are potentially in the frame for the job if GH goes MON for me is the most suited to the post

by **big al** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 1:22 pm

The colour telly was areal treat My dad rented it from Vision hire It had a slot in the back and you had to put a shilling in to watch the telly. My cousin Sammy and I had spent the week stealing empty lemonade bootles to get the deposit back in the end we got caught and had to give the money back. but when Sammy(my cousin) told his dad what it was for he give him the money and Sammy promised not to steal anymore. You could'n t trust Sammy as far a you could throw him he even changed to support Arsenal ( dodgy guy or what)

JBG I am down mate, your right I was talking with my son and his mate last night about the state of Liverpool. I know its only football. But Houlliers reign has become an anti-climax. Two years ago I was thinking, yes finally this is it we're on are way next year we'll be right up there. This year although we're fourth, this is the worst I have seen any Liverpool team ever preform 28 points behind. Arsenal, Chelsea and Man U are light years ahead. Even Martin O'Neill wil need to rebuild the team completley. We have at least 7 or eight good players but by the time we get back on level terms with the elite these guys will be too old. Realistically therefore a new manager will have to bring in a bout a dozen players and take another three years minimum. Even Houliier would require that time and no one is going to give him it.

Heres who could be there in three years

Carragher
Gerrard
Finnan
Owen
Baros
Kirkland
Kewell
Pongolle
Le Tallec
Traore

This is a quarter of the size of squad needed. Theres only one other way and thats for Moore to take Morgans money and start spending it on players but thats not going to happen. I had a tour of Ibrox before xmas, I also went to Parkhead. It was clear to me who was going to be the future of Scottish football, Ibrox is in a time warp, tradition, old, resting on laurels and doffing the cap. Parkhead was modern progressive, ambitious and young they had a vision and it was'nt simply about beating Rangers, it was about beating the world. That was us once.

by **JBG** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:32 pm

Extremely well said Big Al.

I read a newspaper article last week which absolutely frightened the sh##e out of me.

It was a broad sheet article, not tabloid nonsense.

The writer described Anfield as a museum, a monument to a great club that is now dead.

He said that Liverpool are a club haunted by its past (Hysel, Hillsboro, past success) and it needs a clean sweep if it is going to drag itself out of its rut.

The guy ended the article by saying that if the new manager after Houllier (either now 2004, 2005, 2006 or whenever) fails, then the club will never be a power in football again.

Frightening stuff.....then I had to watch the Leicester game the day after.

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