Liverpool FC Forum

stmichael wrote:The pessimism on this board over the past few days has been quite staggering. Anyone would have thought we had just been knocked out of the CL in the qualifiers and were in the bottom three. OK, the team haven't been playing well but I think it's bang out of order what some people have been saying about our manager.

Ok, you may not agree with some of his decisions, but I for one applaud him for his singleminded approach to making Liverpool great again.

1. He signs Peter Crouch against the wishes of many fans, virtually putting himself on a hiding to nothing in the process. If he's a failure its gonna put him under pressure and if he's a a success no big deal will be made of it as we paid 7m for him.

2. Now I'm a big fan of Cisse and think Rafa's wrong on this one but he thinks the team would be better off without Cisse and that's his opinion. He obviously considers the money could be better spent elsewhere for the benefit of the team so we should get behind him. Football is a cruel game and you sometimes have to be cruel to be kind.

3. He got rid of all the players not good enough for club in a hard as Iron way such as Vlad and Igor because he thought that would improve the team. Baros never fulfilled his potential and was also shipped out. I still maintain that this was the correct decision, due to Milan's constant bleating to the press about wanting to move blah blah blah.

So whatever you think of his decisions he is not afraid to take the difficult one if he feels its in the best interests of his team as a whole.

The only word of caution i would add is that as Houllier found out if things dont work out then these decisions can be used against you in the future.

Rafa dosent care and he is gonna do it his way and after winning the CL he has my full support even if i have questioned some of his decison making relating to Moro, Cisse and Owen.

Rafa has to be ruthless. Do you think Fergie would give a monkeys about fans relationships with players? I think what people are failing to understand is that the players, whether good or not so good, are not the most important thing in his system but the system itself. I don't think it's any secret that Rafa and Cisse don't get on off the pitch which consequently puts a severe strain on their relationship. Once the relationship between a player and a manager breaks down, there is unfortunately no way back.

The thing is, his Valencia side defied the odds. Nobody in Spain thought that they stood a chance of winning the Spanish league looking at their team compared to Real Madrid and Barcelona. But they did it twice. And the same could be said of Liverpool's success in the Champions League last season (here with a litle extra help of lady luck, but it wasn't only luck).

Get behind the manager ffs. The fact that people are questioning him after we've just won our third European Super Cup, have qualified for next years CL and have 4 points out of 6 and two clean sheets in the League is nothing short of ridiculous.

YNWA.

stmichael wrote:The pessimism on this board over the past few days has been quite staggering. Anyone would have thought we had just been knocked out of the CL in the qualifiers and were in the bottom three. OK, the team haven't been playing well but I think it's bang out of order what some people have been saying about our manager.

Ok, you may not agree with some of his decisions, but I for one applaud him for his singleminded approach to making Liverpool great again.

1. He signs Peter Crouch against the wishes of many fans, virtually putting himself on a hiding to nothing in the process. If he's a failure its gonna put him under pressure and if he's a a success no big deal will be made of it as we paid 7m for him.

2. Now I'm a big fan of Cisse and think Rafa's wrong on this one but he thinks the team would be better off without Cisse and that's his opinion. He obviously considers the money could be better spent elsewhere for the benefit of the team so we should get behind him. Football is a cruel game and you sometimes have to be cruel to be kind.

3. He got rid of all the players not good enough for club in a hard as Iron way such as Vlad and Igor because he thought that would improve the team. Baros never fulfilled his potential and was also shipped out. I still maintain that this was the correct decision, due to Milan's constant bleating to the press about wanting to move blah blah blah.

So whatever you think of his decisions he is not afraid to take the difficult one if he feels its in the best interests of his team as a whole.

The only word of caution i would add is that as Houllier found out if things dont work out then these decisions can be used against you in the future.

Rafa dosent care and he is gonna do it his way and after winning the CL he has my full support even if i have questioned some of his decison making relating to Moro, Cisse and Owen.

Rafa has to be ruthless. Do you think Fergie would give a monkeys about fans relationships with players? I think what people are failing to understand is that the players, whether good or not so good, are not the most important thing in his system but the system itself. I don't think it's any secret that Rafa and Cisse don't get on off the pitch which consequently puts a severe strain on their relationship. Once the relationship between a player and a manager breaks down, there is unfortunately no way back.

The thing is, his Valencia side defied the odds. Nobody in Spain thought that they stood a chance of winning the Spanish league looking at their team compared to Real Madrid and Barcelona. But they did it twice. And the same could be said of Liverpool's success in the Champions League last season (here with a litle extra help of lady luck, but it wasn't only luck).

Get behind the manager ffs. The fact that people are questioning him after we've just won our third European Super Cup, have qualified for next years CL and have 4 points out of 6 and two clean sheets in the League is nothing short of ridiculous.

YNWA.

GREAT POST, and agree with most of what you say.

I must add, the negative stance of many posters here is putting me off this forum completely. 

oOShrimpyOo wrote:Liverpool 4 EVA these negative posters as you quote, do you know why they are posting these thoughts...? because they want reassurance from others, and stmichael's post was good for all those with a negative stance, and its what they want to hear. well done.

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spot on shrimp 

zarababe wrote:.. I too like you Saint, have been astonished at the levels of negativity towards the Boss. I'm all for constructive criticism, no-one is immune from that, but some of  the stuff posted on some these threads has been scandalous.

People need to think that if the Board and others start telling the Boss who to buy, including in relation to Owen ( though I believe he is being quite for negotiation sakes and not cos he don't want him), the Boss may well decide to pick-up sticks and go, there would be plenty of takers for his services.

If he sells Cisse, then like it or not, we have to trust him. He has established an excellent scouting system, and his dip in to the transfer market is not over, and all on a tight budget.

Cisse like Baros before him, is a frustrating character, brilliant on occassion ineffective on others. I for one was not happy with his reactions yesterday, rather arrogant for me and if those gestures were for the Boss, then I'm afraid he may well have sealed his own fate. Players have to work hard and try and impress the boss. In other instances some players like Mmorientes will get a run to proove themselves..

..whatever in this man we must trust and the players should respect.. including Cisse.

How long do you think the faith in Rafa will last in this crazy world of football 

Alonso14 wrote:Good Post, But dont you think he should put his system around the strenghs to the team and players, instead of using a system that doesnt suit the players atributes? Just a thought.