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by **Judge** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:31 pm

your probably correct jbg and woof, but they still have disneyland

by **stmichael** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:39 pm

forget disneyland. most americans, bush included, live in cloud cuckoo land.

by **woof woof !** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:43 pm

The Return of the Judge wrote:your probably correct jbg and woof, but they still have disneyland

So have the French (and the Japanese ) .

Say no more :talktothehand

by **Judge** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:50 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
The Return of the Judge wrote:your probably correct jbg and woof, but they still have disneyland

So have the French (and the Japanese ) .

Say no more

the original is always the best mate, cheap imitations the others are :rasp

by **woof woof !** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:55 pm

, I've only seen the original so i'll have to reluctantly take your word for it .I say reluctantly because you know how good the Japs are at taking someone elses' idea and making it 10 times better .

Anybody been to disneyworld japan ?

by **Judge** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:02 pm

woof woof ! wrote: , I've only seen the original so i'll have to reluctantly take your word for it .I say reluctantly because you know how good the Japs are at taking someone elses' idea and making it 10 times better .

Anybody been to disneyworld japan ?

not been to disneyland japan, but listen to this story:

german scientists had thought they'd made the finest optic fibre in the world. They were so confident it was the best and finest that they sent it to the leading firm in Japan.

on return from japan, the germans couldnt figure out why the japs had sent it back, until one scientist put it under a scanning electron microscope and realised the japanese had drilled it out along the whole length and inserted their own ''finer'' optic fibre in it

by **woof woof !** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:09 pm

Sneaky brilliant bas'tards .

No wonder they all wear glasses .

by **Judge** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:20 pm

i thought that also

by **JBG** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:04 pm

woof woof ! wrote:I'm very much a supporter of the American people but over the last 40 years their politicians have lurched from one disasterous foriegn policy to another ,dragging the world with them .

I'm also a supporter of the American people, and despite the sterotype, most Americans are extremely nice and generous people, if a little niave compared to Europeans.

However, since World War Two but particularly since the 1960s, their foreign policy has led them from one disaster to another.

Their policy of containment of communism in South East Asia spelled disaster for American society as the disupte over it led to domestic fractures that can still be seen today. Its debatable that the war served its purpose of containment - communism spread further into SE Asia after the Americans pulled out, although it stopped short of spreading to Indonesia, and most American cold warriors declared it a political success in the Cold War, albeit at a cost of around 52,000 American lives and countless Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laotions (er.........them people from Laos

).

The bitterness over Vietnam saw the US reverting to a policy of having many of its wars fought by proxy, witnessed by their terrible policies in central America in the 1980s, and their policy in Afghanistan in the 1980s which has led to repercussions today.

I think to get a balanced view read Noam Chomsky's "Hegemony or Survival" and Niall Ferguson's "Collosses": the true story is probably somewhere in between these two views.

by **Judge** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:27 pm

ive read some of chomskys work, and i must say it is intriging reading.

lets hope things in Iraq resolve themselves soon, and that the foreign national insurgents there are sent packing so REAL iraqi's can get on with their lives.

i nearly forgot, the new mayor of baghdad was sworn in the day before yesterday and his first speech went like this

''i dont want the job and look forward to having a replacement soon''. funny but true :laugh:

by **drummerphil** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:41 pm

I had a girlfriend called Iraq and however many times i knew i should withdraw and pull out..
keeping bush happy was a priority

by **Big Niall** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:20 pm

you read it here first - the guys that US and UK have installed in Afghanistan will come back to haunt them.

AFter supporting Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein next up will this bunch of drug dealers, they are now growing more and more heroin and are just as big bassstards as the taliban were.

by **Homebooby** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:25 pm

Big Niall wrote:
The Return of the Judge wrote:the mistake wouldve been to allow saddam to stay in power. if you ask ordinary iraqi's, i bet they are glad that britain and the usa were willing to help them. its a case where the minority are again spoiling the majority.

the terrorists would be more abundent if saddam was still in power, imo

What are you on about? the terrorists would be worse if he was still there? so where were all the terrorists in Saddams reign?

Iraq was secular, no threat to any other country. nothing to do with 9/11. bush wanted oil for america, britain is america's bitch, they invaded and unleashed a world of shitte and then after "our brave soldiers" kill thousands of innocent muslims wonder why any muslim would be willing to kill innocent brits/americans (note - not excusing any terrorism but it goes both ways)

It was obvious the war was wrong from the start. Burn tabloid newspapers and research the truth yourself.

I agree that Bush was interested in oil primarily, but this also causes people to miss the larger picture as well.

1. Bush was President at the time on a dodgy basis. It was likely that re-election wouldn't have happened. A war generally sees the country fall in line as a sign of solidarity and support.

2. The attacks on the US on 9/11 exposed American and western world intelligence on a whole for what it really is....a big smokescreen and not up to much. The repercussions were huge:

a) Security is a state of mind. The american public are extremely sensitive to uncertain conditions and until that moment, the belief that America was the best in the world in everything was untarnished. All of a sudden the myth is exposed a people are very uncomfortable in their surroundings.

b) All money spent on Intelligence, defense etc was potentially put in jeopardy. The question had to rise, why are we spending all this money if it doesn't do anything to help us.

c) Not only did all the intelligence in the world fail to prevent or even foresee the attacks, it also did nothing to help track down Bin Laden after the attacks, further solidifying the potential stance I suggest in point B.

d) All of the above further weakened Bushs' position in the Whitehouse and certainty of a 2nd term.

A war is a perfect method of shifting the goalposts. We can't find Bin Laden, but we can go after Saddam. Look how our mighty warriors barrage their way across the desert to take him down.....best in the world they are. The way that they had reporters delivering live action was sickening.

It all moved towards making people have belief in the system again. It generated billions in the arms industry again. It got the nation behind Bush enough to see him re-elected and follow up his oil plans. The fact that this was all based on dodgy intelligence as well has been lost in the quagmire again and we've all forgotten about Bin Laden (sort of) and the fact that they can't find him.

That's of course assuming they wanted to catch him in the first place.

Acch, the whole thing makes me sick as I think about it.

by **Judge** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:10 pm

Iraq group posts video of U.S. hostage's 'killing' Monday December 19, 09:47 AM
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DUBAI (Reuters) - An Iraqi militant group posted on the Internet on Monday a video it said showed the killing of a U.S. security consultant it had abducted earlier this month.

The Islamic Army in Iraq said on December 8 it had killed the man, identified as Ronald Schulz, because the U.S. government had not fulfilled its demands, which included freeing all Iraqi prisoners and compensation for Iraqi families.

The brief video showed a gunman repeatedly shooting an automatic rifle at a blindfolded man who was kneeling on the ground. It did not show his face.
The video, which was posted on an Islamist Web site often used by Iraqi militant groups, included a still photograph of identity cards bearing Schulz's name and picture.

The Islamic Army in Iraq has claimed a number of kidnappings and attacks on foreign and Iraqi government forces. It killed an Italian journalist it held last year.

Schulz was one of several Westerners kidnapped by Iraqi militants since November.

Gunmen are so far holding hostage four Christian peace activists -- two Canadians, a Briton and an American -- as well as a French engineer. Their fate remains unknown.

On Sunday, Germany announced that a German archaeologist kidnapped by gunmen in Iraq three weeks ago had been freed.

Thousands of civilians have been kidnapped in Iraq since the fall of Saddam Hussein's government, including more than 200 foreigners. Some foreigners were seized by criminal gangs seeking ransom but insurgents have also used these hostages to pressure their governments to withdraw their armies from Iraq.

Many foreign hostages have been released, but around 50 have been executed, some by beheadings broadcast on the Internet. :no

, barbarism

wheres Norman Kember??

by **dawson99** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:44 pm

Well for my two pennys worth i think the war in iraq had to be done, but it was dnoe in the most wrong way ever in the history of anything.

Saddam was abad bad man. Women and children were murdered and stonedt to death and he was also performing his ownform of genocide. He was building an army and no matter was found he was building a nuclear smething. a man in that much power would build this, we know this from numerous bond films.

what should have happened was a united front. not just us and the yanks. We need a world army of sorts that can goern things when they get this out fo hand. the UN isnt working, its just full of fatcats wanting a free lunch without making any decisions.

Saddam had to be taken out,. but its just ti was done wrong and the aftermath is ajoke

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