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by **76-1115222408** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:22 pm

JohnBull wrote:It's pathetic that people are obsessed with looking for "big names" all the time.
Big Names guarantee nothing but team players give you a chance. Stevie is a great player who at times gave a lot less than 100% last year. He'd made his mind up to leave last year and a last minute change of heart didn't make him a solid red again. It was no different to catching your missus playing away from home - you may get back together but it's never the same.

Spot on JohnBull, its all about team players.

by **tubby** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:28 pm

More updates are filtering through from unofficial channels as to where these stories have all originated. The stories in today's press did come from SFX it seems. Not from Gerrard's actual agent Struan Marshall though, but allegedly from other senior members of staff at the agency.

The reports in last week's Spanish press are alleged to have come from Real Madrid, who are moving as they often do to unsettle players through the press.

The delay, albeit a very short one, has come from Rick Parry assuming that there was no need to rush into the deal as Gerrard wanted to stay. Gerrard has privately made it very clear that he does want to stay.

The management at SFX seem to be on their own agenda. They want Gerrard to move away from Anfield so that they can get higher commission. Last year it was a move to Chelsea, this year it's a move to Madrid.

Last week's stories were "leaked" by Madrid. Stories that claimed Gerrard wanted to leave. Whether SFX had any dealings with this story is unknown, but they have since used it to their advantage, by saying that Liverpool had planted the stories to make Gerrard unpopular. They even claimed that Benitez had leaked the story - something which has made Benitez extremely angry as he denies doing this.

Parry and Benitez have been meeting with Gerrard this afternoon, in an attempt to explain their side to the captain. Hopefully they'll be able to do this without members of SFX present. We are told that the "bust-up" on Saturday did not happen - it was invented by SFX. Liverpool are willing to meet his contract demands. There's been a major misunderstanding between the two sides, with the agency in the middle trying to turn Gerrard's head. Again.

From what we have been told SFX, Chelsea and Real Madrid have all been involved in leaking stories in an attempt to engineer matters to their own advantage. There's even allegations that some of this may have been bending UEFA and FIFA rules, if not breaking them.

Struan Marshall also handles Jamie Carragher, but Carragher is not likely to leave Anfield. He's trusted by Gerrard, but Gerrard will no doubt question this in light of the recent events. Gerrard is reportedly extremely upset and pressured, as people he trusts are all contradicting each other. He needs to take stock of what is happening and work out who he should trust. If Struan Marshall is an innocent party in this - and from what we've been told he isn't responsible for the manipulation of the media - then he needs to get to the bottom of what's happened internally within SFX to ensure Gerrard is now told the truth.

Liverpool's financial problems are still there but are not playing any part in these problems surrounding Steven Gerrard.

by **captainduck** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:28 pm

LIVERPOOLANYTIME wrote:
captainduck
i dont agree with that.. obviously you havent seen the drunken photos of stevie, carra, etc now thats what I call body language im sure he was just trying to act professional in istanbul so he doesnt get ripped on, on tv and the papers. everyone already knows of his love for liverpool anyways.

Obviously I HAVE seen the photos actually, less presumptions please!!

The key word you use is DRUNK, drink plays with the senses, have you never been down and thought let me have a drink (if you are old enuff that is? Not taking the p.iss btw!)

And everybody knows of his love of the club, well im sure MOST are really beginning to question tat now, if he really loved the club he would come out and say 'I LOVE THIS CLUB, I AM SIGNING' end of...until he does that i'm sorry but this will now be questioned.

i can drink you under the table :cool:

by **tubby** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:29 pm

After reading this i have nothing left to say except "does anyone know the addresses of SFX senior members""?

by **76-1115222408** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:31 pm

captainduck wrote:
LIVERPOOLANYTIME wrote:
captainduck
i dont agree with that.. obviously you havent seen the drunken photos of stevie, carra, etc now thats what I call body language im sure he was just trying to act professional in istanbul so he doesnt get ripped on, on tv and the papers. everyone already knows of his love for liverpool anyways.

Obviously I HAVE seen the photos actually, less presumptions please!!

The key word you use is DRUNK, drink plays with the senses, have you never been down and thought let me have a drink (if you are old enuff that is? Not taking the p.iss btw!)

And everybody knows of his love of the club, well im sure MOST are really beginning to question tat now, if he really loved the club he would come out and say 'I LOVE THIS CLUB, I AM SIGNING' end of...until he does that i'm sorry but this will now be questioned.

i can drink you under the table

Go for it mate!! Not really a drinker, more of a smoker myself, if you check my avater and sig!!!

But saying that, bring on the spirits anytime and I'll do ya, as long as i can smoke too!!!!

by **Homebooby** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:34 pm

Evenin all,

Long time since I posted but felt compelled to check you all out having just seen the latest speculation.

I said the same thing last year when the rumours were rife that are being highlighted here.

1. If he goes, he goes. None of us want a 2nd rate Gerrard walking around the pitch looking fed up. I seemed to see that quite a lot last season.

2. No player is indispensable. We'll certainly move on without him.

3. I have never felt that he is as great a player as most make him out to be. He has had some wonderful moments and the CL was a great example of how he could save us at the last minute, but I always have the feeling that we are too 1 dimensional when he plays, perhaps due to awe of him, his dominance or something else. In some ways I felt he had just as much a bad effect on the team.

4. I actually think he had problems merging with the new midfielders that came in (hence us playing better without him). It could be partially for that reason he is moving on. Too big to knuckle down and work at it, use the easy excuse and move on. It'll be interesting to see how he fares elsewhere.

5. Personally I think that this will be his undoing and not the making of him. Partially for reason 4. above and also because at the end of the day, he is Liverpool through and through and I should imagine that any victory achieved elsewhere will be a little bittersweet as it will be not the same as winning with your own club.

On the positive side as I don't believe that finances for him can be the issue (maybe I am wrong), but I am sure that it is the focus of the agents. That is how Owen got to leave as well last year.

There is something to be said for his age now and the quality of player around him. Arguably most players are expected to hit their prime around the 27 - 28 mark, which gives him 2 -3 seasons of growing before he reaches his pinnacle. Realistically it is still going to take 1 or 2 seasons before we start really hitting the top flight that we are aiming for and at this moment, the quality of the players/play is patchy at best. Being the big fish in the small pond (to put it proverbially) isn't the best way to improve yourself. Walking into Madrid, he will be competing for a place, playing/training with a much higher standard of player and another style of football. It is probable that he will grow much faster in those conditons than staying at Liverpool and that his decision could be an entirely professional one.

I've never felt that Owen leaving was a bad move for him. Sometimes a change can do wonders for a player and I think Gerrard has hit the same lull that Owen found himself in. Even sitting on the bench is all character building and I am sure he has learned loads from it all.

Let's also not forget about the life lesson of taking the opportunities while they are there. I wouldn't blame him for going to Madrid. I wouldn't understand if he went to Chelsea.

All the best Stevie. Thanks for the memories (and see you again soon)

by **JohnBull** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:37 pm

You're posting about this affair as if Gerrard doesn't know whats going on - He's already made his mind up that he's going to the Pier Head, he's just not decided which bus he's getting on.
Don't forget that around this time last year Carra was throwing the head in at Stevie at the England training ground over the Chelsea move. Two players who are chalk and cheese.

by **skipper** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:38 pm

If gerrard goes to chelsea, then we will definitely throw phones, bottles, and other projectiles at him when he comes back to anfield to play us.

by **mikopool** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:39 pm

that is a bloody stupid idea.

by **tubby** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:43 pm

I think if you read that article on anfieldroad.com its easy to see what we all suspected i the begining.

1) LFC DO want him to stay
2) Money is not the problem
3) Chelsea,RMadrid and SFX are engineering these claims?

Gerrard has had this all explained to him today as you might have seen him walking in the rain at Melwood. He loves this club more than anything and if we managed to keep him last season after winning nothing im sure he will certainly stay this season having won big ears. SFX lost out on a lot of comission last year when he done a U turn at the 11th hour but they are determined this year top make sure he goes.

And they even made up the supposed bust up claims.

Well done everyone

by **Fernando Morientes > 19 <** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:45 pm

that's why i say that agents are spoiling the game

by **tubby** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:49 pm

If they are found fabricating material in order to engineer a move then they should be reoprted to FIFA.

Didnt this same guy manage Michael Owen

by **Fernando Morientes > 19 <** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:52 pm

i don't know about owen but according to the article on top, SFX is also the agent of Jamie Carragher.

by **yckatbjywtbiastkamb** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:53 pm

skipper wrote:If gerrard goes to chelsea, then we will definitely throw phones, bottles, and other projectiles at him when he comes back to anfield to play us.

not me mate, i remember watching gerrard as a kid when he first broke into the side at right back busting a gut to clear a certain goal off the line in the last minute of a derby at anfield. when he saved the goal he ran around punching the air and kissing the badge with tears in his eye`s. anyone else would have thought he`d won the world cup but to a young scouser playing in a derby stopping everton scoring a certain goal probably meant more.
whatevers gone on since or whatever happens next he deserves respect for what he`s done for us.

by **skipper** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:59 pm

Just kidding guys. Why would I do that? Stevie's my favorite player and I wouldnt throw anything at anyone, especially him.

However, if he leaves, he will be leaving on a sour note ( at least the media is making it sound this way). Right now, I really dont know what to think. Should I hit stevie when I see him playing for chelsea or hug him for what he has done for us? Im confused and Im hoping this comes to an end tomorrow morning. This situation has gotten out of hand. We need a resolution right now.

And I agree with Fernando Morientes > 19 that agents are ruining the sport.

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