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Postby LFC #1 » Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:58 pm

I think you are missing the main point here Chelsea Forever. Chelsea can buy whoever they wnat but it is the other shady dealings that surround your club which are the disgrace. Arnesen , Ashley Cole,  Frisk - the list goes on.

I appluad your so far limited success on the pitch, but I am compeltley againt the wya the club is run and would rather see LFC slide down the divisins than turn into a club like Chelsea. Thankfully our tradition and great fans allows us to keep at the top without selling out like Chelsea and Man Utd.
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Postby 116-1104673748 » Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:58 pm

Chelsea forever. wrote:First off this is still a RUMOUR - just like Owen going to MAnu was .. so dont go all crazy before its even confirmed.

Secondly whats wrong in us signing SWP? Jose has a certain method of coaching, he wants 2 players for each position. We have Robben and Duff who are both left footers (Although they can play on both flanks) and we have Joey who isnt really a winger (more of a midfielder) but can play in that position. This season Duffer was a bit tired towards the end of the campaign and it clearly showed. Whats wrong in having SWP in the squad? Robben and Duff on the left - SWP and Cole on the right - 2 players for each position.

I cant understand why people have a problem with us buying players.

IF you can provide a logical explaination rarther than abuses and rants it would be an interesting conversation.

Well then.May I ask you,
"How many years have you been supporting Chelsea?"
If you have been supporting them for 3 years,answer the next question..
"Don't you feel sad seeing Chelsea being mutated into a business club?"
"Don't you feel sad seeing your favourite players being ignored and getting out?"
"Don't you ACTUALLY feel annoyed being surrounded by fake fans?"
"In fact,don't you actually feel ashamed that the club you're supporting turns out this way?"
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Postby Chelsea forever. » Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:09 pm

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Chelsea forever. wrote:First off this is still a RUMOUR - just like Owen going to MAnu was .. so dont go all crazy before its even confirmed.

Secondly whats wrong in us signing SWP? Jose has a certain method of coaching, he wants 2 players for each position. We have Robben and Duff who are both left footers (Although they can play on both flanks) and we have Joey who isnt really a winger (more of a midfielder) but can play in that position. This season Duffer was a bit tired towards the end of the campaign and it clearly showed. Whats wrong in having SWP in the squad? Robben and Duff on the left - SWP and Cole on the right - 2 players for each position.

I cant understand why people have a problem with us buying players.

IF you can provide a logical explaination rarther than abuses and rants it would be an interesting conversation.

Well then.May I ask you,
"How many years have you been supporting Chelsea?"
If you have been supporting them for 3 years,answer the next question..
"Don't you feel sad seeing Chelsea being mutated into a business club?"
"Don't you feel sad seeing your favourite players being ignored and getting out?"
"Don't you ACTUALLY feel annoyed being surrounded by fake fans?"

I have been supporting Chelsea long before Roman.

Yes it is sad to see Mika,Babayaro,Jimmy,Zenden,Parker (who has so much potential) and the rest leave.

Jose is IMHO the best Coach/tactition currently in charge of a FC in the world. And you need to understand that he has his own methadocial way of operating.

He doesnt 'Necessarly' go for names - but for profiles. Jiri Jarosik - had anyone heard of him? is he a world class player? Paulo Ferrera who was dropped from the Portugal Euro team after the 1st match. Ricardo who not many had heard of.

Jose looks for profiles, for certian qualities in players which he wants,likes and which fit in his plans.

Drogba has been :censored: - i say it openly .. i have been saying it and i will say it till he performs. 24M? no farkin way! We could have easily let go of him and got someone else - but thats not what its about. Jose loves him to death and see`s him as the ideal CF for us.

If Liverpool had the money and were flooding the markets and buying top players and winning trophies - would ANY ONE of you guys be complaining?
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Postby Lando_Griffin » Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:10 pm

Because, dear boy, Chelsea are, as I have already said, attempting to create a monopoly so that no other team in England can compete. It is typical of a tycoon to want this, and in the world of oil production - fine. But football is still a sport. I really wish someone would point this out to Abrahmovic, as this ruthless rule-breaking is beyond all redemption. I wonder, considering the amount of rules the blues have broken, how they would react if a transfer and wage cap was compulsary? There'd be more court cases than you can count. No real football fan can be happy with what Chelsea are doing, nor can you, CF, if your honest. I'm sure you realise that this is a downward spiral, and little clubs with big sugar daddies cannot be the way forwards. Football is about the fans. I'm happy knowing that the majority of my ticket money has gone towards signing our players/paying wages. You lot would need an 80million seater stadium packed to the rafters for every game to break even, assuming Roman decides to retire to his yacht full-time. Greed is consuming a game that is essentially for the working classes. Be warned, CF, as your ticket prices will rise 10 fold in the near future, cos as soon as Roman checks his spending, you will be in dire straights. It's not what any footy fan wants, but I really hate the entity that is CFC, and as Man U are already on their way, you lot are my choice for bankruptcy and relegation in the very near future. You do realise that as soon as Roman moves on, he will be looking for a total recoup of expenses, and your squad even now is not worth what you paid for it. For saying sake, if he spent £380m on your squad, it's only worth about £180m now. You lot will really struggle, and I have no real sympathy for the bandwagoners, only the handfull of true support.
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Postby Chelsea forever. » Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:12 pm

Money means nothing - one can buy the top most players in the world and yet not win anything - ala Madrid 2 seasons running -

Its the hard work, motivation, dedication and winning mentality instilled in Cfc by him that has made the players win. He has transformed Joe Cole from a tricky flicky to a mature player who has now even cemented a spot in the England squad.

Dont hate the money and the owner - appreciate the quality and the dedication.
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Postby JC_81 » Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:13 pm

Think a few of you boys are jumping to conclusions here.  I hear what you are saying about chelski's dodgy dealings and I totally agree that the whole ashley cole/arneson/frisk sagas have been a disgrace, not to mention courting Erliksson, Stevie G and Rio. 

Something does have to be done by the FA.  Heavier penalties for breaking the rules must be brought in, money doesn't matter to chelsea, so fines are no good.  Hit them where it hurts . . . Premiership points deductions or give their champions league place to someone else.  They have stepped over the mark too many times.

As for SWP, if chelski want him and he decides to go there then thats fair enough IMO, we can't complain.  I'd love him to sign for us but if he wants to go there then that says a lot about the man and we'd be better off without him in that case.  Realistically though I can't see that deal happening.  Do you really think Ian Wright will be advising SWP to sign for chelski??  Bollox.  And with the world cup next summer, do you really think SWP wants to walk into a squad rotation situation??  Doubt it
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Postby Lando_Griffin » Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:16 pm

OK John Craig, but I was commenting more on the situation, rather than the transfer. Agreed, if he wants to go there, then we're well out of it. More the point that they are trying to sign every good player, as if to avoid real competition.
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Postby Chelsea forever. » Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:17 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:Because, dear boy, Chelsea are, as I have already said, attempting to create a monopoly so that no other team in England can compete. It is typical of a tycoon to want this, and in the world of oil production - fine. But football is still a sport. I really wish someone would point this out to Abrahmovic, as this ruthless rule-breaking is beyond all redemption. I wonder, considering the amount of rules the blues have broken, how they would react if a transfer and wage cap was compulsary? There'd be more court cases than you can count. No real football fan can be happy with what Chelsea are doing, nor can you, CF, if your honest. I'm sure you realise that this is a downward spiral, and little clubs with big sugar daddies cannot be the way forwards. Football is about the fans. I'm happy knowing that the majority of my ticket money has gone towards signing our players/paying wages. You lot would need an 80million seater stadium packed to the rafters for every game to break even, assuming Roman decides to retire to his yacht full-time. Greed is consuming a game that is essentially for the working classes. Be warned, CF, as your ticket prices will rise 10 fold in the near future, cos as soon as Roman checks his spending, you will be in dire straights. It's not what any footy fan wants, but I really hate the entity that is CFC, and as Man U are already on their way, you lot are my choice for bankruptcy and relegation in the very near future. You do realise that as soon as Roman moves on, he will be looking for a total recoup of expenses, and your squad even now is not worth what you paid for it. For saying sake, if he spent £380m on your squad, it's only worth about £180m now. You lot will really struggle, and I have no real sympathy for the bandwagoners, only the handfull of true support.

Yes well you will always have your openion and i will have mine.

But if i ask you this one question -

If liverpool was owned by someone as rich - and if Liverpool was buying top players, hiring the best coach (you did organize a meeting with Jose on the day of last years CL final but he refused) giving the players the best training facilities and winning trophies, setting records like the least away defeats, most wins, most minutes without conceding a goal, most away wins .. i could go on --------- would you say its not right?
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Postby 116-1104673748 » Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:18 pm

Chelsea forever. wrote:If Liverpool had the money and were flooding the markets and buying top players and winning trophies - would ANY ONE of you guys be complaining?

All clubs enjoy a bit of extra spending money once in a while.But we're not aiming at replacing the whole team.Rafa's revolution is a mutual change where we get rid of our extra load,bring in some players and get back on track.This isn't the case with Chelsea.They snap up any player they like without caring at all.The whole team is a completely different one compared to the days before Abramovich.Even when they were under Ranieri who was there before Abramovich,it is just not the same team Chelsea fans know and love anymore.

Much as I hate manure,their fans are very loyal to resent Glazer and attempt rebuying the club.You don't see Chelsea fans doing that.
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Postby Chelsea forever. » Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:23 pm

CR had no idea what his startin 11 were. We would see a different 11 each game, different tactics each game.

Once Jose has come in all the players that didnt fit in his plans were slot,released or loaned out. Players needed to replace them were brought in.

Drogba
Ferrera
Carvalho
Kezman
Jiri Jarosik
Tiago

These are the players he got with him -- do you see a WORLD STAR in there? Were any of the considered WORLD CLASS PLAYERS - TOP PLAYERS - PLAYERS OTHER CLUBS WOULD DIE FOR?

NO!

They were players he wanted for the TEAM, who fit the PROFILE and who had the winning mentality which was needed.
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Postby JC_81 » Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:28 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:OK John Craig, but I was commenting more on the situation, rather than the transfer. Agreed, if he wants to go there, then we're well out of it. More the point that they are trying to sign every good player, as if to avoid real competition.

I hear what you're saying, and SWP does seem a bit of an unessesary buy for cheatski, but there are enough good players around for the likes of us, arsenal and the scum to strengthen our squads with. 

The only player cheatski signed that really pi.ssed me off was duff.  He had been a long term target of ours, grew up as a liverpool fan and had been a favourite of mine in the Ireland team for years.  He wanted away from blackburn and would have preferred to sign for us, but we couldn't afford the 17 mil get-out clause in his contract.  Still bitter about that :angry:
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Postby 116-1104673748 » Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:31 pm

CR had no idea what his startin 11 were. We would see a different 11 each game, different tactics each game.

Once Jose has come in all the players that didnt fit in his plans were slot,released or loaned out. Players needed to replace them were brought in.

Drogba
Ferrera
Carvalho
Kezman
Jiri Jarosik
Tiago

These are the players he got with him -- do you see a WORLD STAR in there? Were any of the considered WORLD CLASS PLAYERS - TOP PLAYERS - PLAYERS OTHER CLUBS WOULD DIE FOR?

NO!

They were players he wanted for the TEAM, who fit the PROFILE and who had the winning mentality which was needed.

CR was simply being fair.He employed different tactics to keep opponent managers alert.Mourinho has been employing the winger formation for so long its boring man.
You haven't been keeping up with other leagues,have you?
Drogba was a real big star to die for back in the French league.
Kezman was one of the topscorers in the Dutch league.
What about Mutu?He was real big,captain of his country,a celebrity and loved by his countrymen until Mourinho put him in the bench once too many until he gets depressed and turns to drugs.Mourinho doesn't give a damn,man.He just eliminates the ones that don't please him.
You forget Mourinho's a Portugese and he knows the market there and thats how Ferrera came.

In the same case,Alonso and Garcia were unknown in English leagues before Benitez brought them.
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Postby LFC #1 » Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:33 pm

Chelsea forever. wrote:If Liverpool had the money and were flooding the markets and buying top players and winning trophies - would ANY ONE of you guys be complaining?

Yes, if the money had come from a dodgy source and started illegal activity occurring within the club.

It's not the Liverpool Way to sell out on the traditions of the club, Liverpool FC has so many qualities that Chelsea will never have - 5 European cups for starters.
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Postby JC_81 » Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:36 pm

Chelsea forever. wrote:Drogba
Ferrera
Carvalho
Kezman
Jiri Jarosik
Tiago

These are the players he got with him -- do you see a WORLD STAR in there? Were any of the considered WORLD CLASS PLAYERS - TOP PLAYERS - PLAYERS OTHER CLUBS WOULD DIE FOR?

NO!

You're right, but of those players,

Tiago and Jarosik warm the bench, and aren't better than the likes of parker who was allowed to leave

Drogba and Kezman have been poor

Ferrera and Carvalho (who have been quality) cost a combined 35 mil

Think this proves that Jose isn't that great in the market without dosh
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Postby LFC #1 » Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:38 pm

Chelsea forever. wrote:Money means nothing - one can buy the top most players in the world and yet not win anything - ala Madrid 2 seasons running -

Its the hard work, motivation, dedication and winning mentality instilled in Cfc by him that has made the players win. He has transformed Joe Cole from a tricky flicky to a mature player who has now even cemented a spot in the England squad.

Dont hate the money and the owner - appreciate the quality and the dedication.

I agree with most of what you have said here, but this is not my major quarrel with Chelsea.

My problem is the source of the moeny, and the way your club conducts itelsf off the field. It is a cancer on the game, and you really have too look at yourselves and wonder if what is going on is good for the long term stability of the club, or will jsyt bring short term gians, only to see the club end up in the sh!tter.
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