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by **JBG** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 2:52 pm

Some crazy decisions made by Souness. Beardsley was superb at the Bitters and even better for a couple of years with the Barcodes.

Unbelievable decision letting him go.

Letting Steve Staunton and Ray Houghtan leave wasn't the smartest move either, both went on to have excellent careers at Aston Villa.

Just thinking about all of this again just makes me as angry as fook! :angry:

by **JC_81** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:56 pm

JBG wrote:Some crazy decisions made by Souness. Beardsley was superb at the Bitters and even better for a couple of years with the Barcodes.

Unbelievable decision letting him go.

Letting Steve Staunton and Ray Houghtan leave wasn't the smartest move either, both went on to have excellent careers at Aston Villa.

Just thinking about all of this again just makes me as angry as fook!

Was just thinking to myself the other day how much souness screwed us over as manager, some of the players he let go were awful decisions, and the ones he brought in were a joke - remember Torben Piecnik? Julian Dicks?? Fu.ck sake

I feel sorry for newcastle at the moment because he is gonna mess them up as well

by **woof woof !** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 5:32 pm

I've got very mixed feelings about Souness . as a player for us he was Fu*king Brilliant , talk about havin' a "Enforcer" in yer team . he was fearless as fu'ck and hard as steel. You just knew with Souey in the side no kunt italians included was gonna :censored:

with us .

He did well as a manager up in scotland and hopes were high that with another legend at the helm LFC would once again assert themselves as kings of England and Europe. What happend ? . His own characteristics as a player influenced his management style and player purchases. I've read many reports that his in yer face "this team has one boss and it's me ! " style of management didn't go down well with many of the veteran members of the (then) Liverpool vetrans and he didn't get the support that a mgr would normally expect to receive . (perhaps some of you lads like jmac who read a lot of biogs could expand on this ? ) .

I wish the fella well . his service to us as a player allows me to forgive his performance as a manager . After all it 's not as though he didn't want us to win.

ps . thinking about "Boys fronm the Blackstuff"

Yozza Hughes "Are you Graham Souness ? "
Souey ! " Yeah !
Yozza Hughes " I could've been you "

Woof Woof " I wish ! "

by **zarababe** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 6:42 pm

.. Beardsley, Barnes, Rush Dalglish and Houghton were the nucleus of the side that played dream footie.. the great Tom Finney descibed that team as the "Dream Team" .. Beardesly was awesome .. simply awesome.. the thru balls.. the one-twos.. the dribbling and goin past players.. he had it all ... awww those were wonderful days..

by **JC_81** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:15 pm

woof woof ! wrote:I've got very mixed feelings about Souness . as a player for us he was Fu*king Brilliant , talk about havin' a "Enforcer" in yer team . he was fearless as fu'ck and hard as steel. You just knew with Souey in the side no kunt italians included was gonna with us .

He did well as a manager up in scotland and hopes were high that with another legend at the helm LFC would once again assert themselves as kings of England and Europe. What happend ? . His own characteristics as a player influenced his management style and player purchases. I've read many reports that his in yer face "this team has one boss and it's me ! " style of management didn't go down well with many of the veteran members of the (then) Liverpool vetrans and he didn't get the support that a mgr would normally expect to receive . (perhaps some of you lads like jmac who read a lot of biogs could expand on this ? ) .

I wish the fella well . his service to us as a player allows me to forgive his performance as a manager . After all it 's not as though he didn't want us to win.

ps . thinking about "Boys fronm the Blackstuff"

Yozza Hughes "Are you Graham Souness ? "
Souey ! " Yeah !
Yozza Hughes " I could've been you "

Woof Woof " I wish ! "

Interesting that you say that his performances as a player forgive his performance as a manager woof.

Souness as a player was a bit before my time, and although I've seen him play on videos I can never really appreciate how good he was never having seen him play every week.

Its different when you watch footage of attackers from the past because you see how good the goals were (talking about the likes of keegan and dalglish), but with a midfielder who does all the 'dirty work' its harder to appreciate how good they were from videos. For example i can look back at games i have seen and say that it was a hard challenge by gerrard that turned the game, but when people look back at these games years from now they will probably just look at the goals.

How would you rate souness compared to gerrard?

by **Sean** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 10:05 pm

Check out a video of the 5-0 game against Forest in '88. That performance was vintage Beardsley.

by **112-1077774096** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:55 am

JBG wrote:
Big Niall wrote:Funny how Kenny went off him after a couple of seasons, began to drop him for a lot of games - never understood that. Anybody got any clue why.

Rumour had it that Beardsley had a lash at King Kenny's missus!

I don't know which is worse: one of your players having a crack at your wife or the particular player being Peter Beardsley!

I never really believed the rumours but like the Henchoz/Hyppia rumour last year, that was what people were saying at the time.

one word, 'awesome'

i heard that dalglish and beardsley use to live next door to each other. one say mrs neardsley thought the dalglishs' were away and took their milk in, mrs dalglish saw this and accused mrs beardsley of stealing the milk, hence an argument ensuid and there was a fall out

by **woof woof !** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:50 am

john craig wrote:How would you rate souness compared to gerrard?

Good question. Gotta bear in mind the team that Souness played in ,it was the era when Liverpool swept everything before them,and therefore easier perhaps for a very good player to look like a great player. Souness certainly stamped his authority on a game ,sitting in midfield breaking stuff up he was however not as quick or creative as Gerrard but he also could get forward and lash in a 30 yd screamer.
Overall I'd have to give the nod to Gerrard as being the more complete player

(seem to have drifted of the Beardsly theme earlier via souness's mngmnt.Sorry folks )

by **azriahmad** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:22 am

The best illustration of Beardsley at his best was the Forest game in which we won 5-0 which was mentioned by Sean. Besrdsley had great close control and some of the attributes of Dalglish. I said "some" because as good as he was (better ball control skills than Dalglish), King Kenny had a better football brain as illustrated in his abilities i.e. bring others into play, linking up with the midfielders and shield the ball (he was said to be one of the very best in the game at this) which is why Kenny is simply great.

As for the comparison between Gerrard and Souness, I believe Souness is the more effective midfield general compared to Gerrard to date. Gerrard has loads more natural ability but he needs ti improve if he is to be as effective as Souness on a consistent level. Potentially, Gerrard is better but not yet the finished product.

Souness also had the benefit of playing alongside much more accomplished team-mates than Gerrard and I don't really remember Souness having to take the game by the scruff of the neck on his own like Gerrard has done on so many occassions for Liverpool. Playing in a techically poorer team does make an exceptional telent like Gerrard to stand out more than Souness did in a more excellent team.

by **JC_81** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:38 am

woof woof ! wrote:
john craig wrote:How would you rate souness compared to gerrard?

Good question. Gotta bear in mind the team that Souness played in ,it was the era when Liverpool swept everything before them,and therefore easier perhaps for a very good player to look like a great player. Souness certainly stamped his authority on a game ,sitting in midfield breaking stuff up he was however not as quick or creative as Gerrard but he also could get forward and lash in a 30 yd screamer.
Overall I'd have to give the nod to Gerrard as being the more complete player

(seem to have drifted of the Beardsly theme earlier via souness's mngmnt.Sorry folks )

Cheers woof.

I suppose Gerrard's best years should be ahead of him too, he may get better

Anyway, better let others get back to the beardsley topic

by **LFCNUTTER** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:20 am

I would love to see gerrard play in those days, when you could put in a meaty tackle.you cant compare stevie and souness cause you cant blow on a player these days and the ref blows up.
Stevie has had to tone his game down over the last few years or he would have been sent off every week but in souness,s day you could get away with it interesting though

by **azriahmad** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:36 am

Souness has an iron fist in a velvet glove.

Younger fans may not remember his playing days but this is a man who is like Paul Ince (who is a good guvnor but rather not-so-good passing), Jan Molby (passing-wise) and Stevie Gerrard (his drive on the field but not as rampaging) rolled into one. He can shoot with good accuraccy with either feet, ferocious in tackling and a good passer as wel as a very good leader on the field. He made that great pass to Kenny to score in that classy winning goal in the European Cup final against Club Brugge in 1978.

Souness will have been a great partner for Gerrard like he was for Terry Mac, leaving the forward runs and most of the midfield scoring role to Terry Mac.

by **Scottbot** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:27 pm

Beardsley was a fantastic player and along with Barnes was my favourite player of that era. I've got a copy of the 5-0 Forrest game and it is vintage Beardo.

As for Souness, i try not to think about the mistakes he made. I was distraught when he let Beardo go so early and Stevie Staunton was a cracking player who should have spent his whole career (he was never the same when we brought him back) at Anfield.

As a player Souness was the DADDY. For me, Gerrard has a way to go to match him. Someone said Souness wasn't quite the rampaging marauding player as Gerrard but he could do it all and even has TWO European hatricks to his name.

by **maximus** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:01 pm

woof woof ! wrote:I've got very mixed feelings about Souness . as a player for us he was Fu*king Brilliant , talk about havin' a "Enforcer" in yer team . he was fearless as fu'ck and hard as steel. You just knew with Souey in the side no kunt italians included was gonna with us .

Reminds of one of the cup finals with the scum in the eighties, Remi Moses was playing then for Manure, the press built it up as the game of the hardmen.

First 5 minutes if I remember rightly, Souness and Remi Moses went in together on 50-50 challenge, it was tearjerking stuff as they both collided, Souness got up dusted himself down, Moses was on the deck for ages...............quality :bowdown

by **azriahmad** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:09 am

Yes, Max, and I am a great fan of Souness who I believed was never really adequately replaced.

It is just a shame that his Liverpool managerial career turned out the way it happened. perhaps he became the club's manager too early into his managerial career and perhaps he did not have enough wisdom and experience to have adopted a more accpetable approach in his managerial style.

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