Liverpool FC Forum

by **Fowler_E7** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:37 pm

personally i think this decision is a disgrace, and i wouldnt be suprised one bit if we happen to meet Man U or Everton in the 3rd round, by the luck of the draw of course :angry:

. How we can be unseeded, its unbelievable to me, i mean as champions we should be seeded by right of actually winning the bloody thing!

Personally i dont blame UEFA entirly for this farce as they were forced into a situation to include us in the competition, even though they should of had regulations in place after the same situatuion happened with Real Madrid a few years ago. The main culprit is the FA, probably the most spineless bunch of wasters on the earth, because they didnt have the balls to drop Everton from the tournament. The spanish FA set the standard a few years ago, so why didnt our own national association follow suit? the FA published on it's website last year when Arsenal and Chelesa played in the quarter finals of the champions league that if the either team went on to win the champions league but failed to finish top four in the league they would qualifiy at the expense of the 4th placed team in the league! this to me is completly out of order and now we will be forced to scrap our entire pre season to play qaulifiers, which will mean our season starts so early that it will be similar to if were entered to play in the intertoto cup!

by **MilitiaRusher** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:38 pm

I just feel its Gods plan for us to dumb Manchester United/Everton out of the Champions league in the 3rd Qualifying round and into the UEFA Cup.

Manure in the UEFA Cup? PRICELESS.

by **MilitiaRusher** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:44 pm

stmichael wrote:1st Qualifying Round (24 teams)

Seeded teams coef. Unseeded teams coef.
------------------------ --- ------- ------------------------ --- -------
Liverpool (TH) Eng 115.864 Rabotnicki Skopje Mac 1.484
Anorthosis Famagusta Cyp 4.694 Dinamo Minsk Bls 1.347
Nova Gorica Slo 4.189 Sliema Wanderers Mlt 0.989
Dinamo Tbilisi Geo 4.034 Pyunik Yerevan Arm 0.989
CL Svk 3.849 - SK Tirana Alb 0.879
Haka Valkeakoski Fin 3.158 Levadia Tallinn Est 0.824
FH Hafnarfjardar Isl 2.594 Glentoran Nir 0.714
Shelbourne Irl 2.374 Llansantffraid Wal 0.604
Zrinjski Mostar Bos 2.364 F91 Dudelange Lux 0.549
Skonto Riga Lat 2.199 CL Azb 0.439
Sheriff Tiraspol Mol 2.089 HB Torshavn Far 0.329
FBK Kaunas Lit 1.759 Kairat Almaty Kaz 0.220

2nd Qualifying Round (28 teams)

Seeded teams coef. Unseeded teams coef.
------------------------ --- ------- ------------------------ --- -------
Liverpool (TH) * Eng 115.864 Hajduk Split Cro 10.981
Celtic Sco 63.477 FC Thun Sui 6.889
Anderlecht Bel 47.477 Malmö FF Swe 5.076
Lokomotiv Moscow Rus 38.470 Anorthosis Famagusta * Cyp 4.694
Partizan Belgrade Srb 30.012 Nova Gorica * Slo 4.189
CL2 Ukr 28.200 Dinamo Tbilisi * Geo 4.034
Maccabi Haifa Isr 21.218 CL * Svk 3.849
CL Den 15.676 Haka Valkeakoski * Fin 3.158
Rapid Wien Aut 15.209 FH Hafnarfjardar * Isl 2.594
CSKA Sofia Bul 15.118 Shelbourne * Irl 2.374
DVSC Debrecen Hun 14.389 Zrinjski Mostar * Bos 2.364
Trabzonspor Tur 12.872 Skonto Riga * Lat 2.199
CL Rom 12.101 Sheriff Tiraspol * Mol 2.089
Vålerengen IF Nor 11.666 FBK Kaunas * Lit 1.759

3rd Qualifying Round

Seeded teams coef. Unseeded teams coef.
------------------------ --- ------- ------------------------ --- -------
Liverpool (TH) * Eng 115.864 Slavia Praha Cze 35.223
Manchester United Eng 110.864 Real Betis Esp 34.326
Internazionale Ita 101.191 FC Basel Sui 33.889
Panathinaikos Gre 70.714 Wisla Kraków Pol 32.930
Celtic ** Sco 63.477 Partizan Belgrade ** Srb 30.012
Villarreal Esp 58.326 Udinese Ita 30.191
Sporting CP Lisbon Por 55.740 Shakhtar Donetsk (**) Ukr 28.200
AS Monaco Fra 53.325 Maccabi Haifa ** Isr 21.218
Ajax Ned 52.144 Everton Eng 20.864
Club Brugge Bel 50.477 CL ** Den 15.676
Anderlecht ** Bel 47.477 Rapid Wien ** Aut 15.209
Glasgow Rangers Sco 40.477 CSKA Sofia ** Bul 15.118
Dinamo Kiev (**) Ukr 40.200 DVSC Debrecen ** Hun 14.389
Werder Bremen Ger 40.166 Trabzonspor ** Tur 12.872
Lokomotiv Moscow ** Rus 38.470 CL ** Rom 12.101
Rosenborg BK Nor 36.666 Vålerengen IF ** Nor 11.666

btw, where did u get this from?

by **stmichael** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:47 pm

MilitiaRusher wrote:
stmichael wrote:1st Qualifying Round (24 teams)

Seeded teams coef. Unseeded teams coef.
------------------------ --- ------- ------------------------ --- -------
Liverpool (TH) Eng 115.864 Rabotnicki Skopje Mac 1.484
Anorthosis Famagusta Cyp 4.694 Dinamo Minsk Bls 1.347
Nova Gorica Slo 4.189 Sliema Wanderers Mlt 0.989
Dinamo Tbilisi Geo 4.034 Pyunik Yerevan Arm 0.989
CL Svk 3.849 - SK Tirana Alb 0.879
Haka Valkeakoski Fin 3.158 Levadia Tallinn Est 0.824
FH Hafnarfjardar Isl 2.594 Glentoran Nir 0.714
Shelbourne Irl 2.374 Llansantffraid Wal 0.604
Zrinjski Mostar Bos 2.364 F91 Dudelange Lux 0.549
Skonto Riga Lat 2.199 CL Azb 0.439
Sheriff Tiraspol Mol 2.089 HB Torshavn Far 0.329
FBK Kaunas Lit 1.759 Kairat Almaty Kaz 0.220

2nd Qualifying Round (28 teams)

Seeded teams coef. Unseeded teams coef.
------------------------ --- ------- ------------------------ --- -------
Liverpool (TH) * Eng 115.864 Hajduk Split Cro 10.981
Celtic Sco 63.477 FC Thun Sui 6.889
Anderlecht Bel 47.477 Malmö FF Swe 5.076
Lokomotiv Moscow Rus 38.470 Anorthosis Famagusta * Cyp 4.694
Partizan Belgrade Srb 30.012 Nova Gorica * Slo 4.189
CL2 Ukr 28.200 Dinamo Tbilisi * Geo 4.034
Maccabi Haifa Isr 21.218 CL * Svk 3.849
CL Den 15.676 Haka Valkeakoski * Fin 3.158
Rapid Wien Aut 15.209 FH Hafnarfjardar * Isl 2.594
CSKA Sofia Bul 15.118 Shelbourne * Irl 2.374
DVSC Debrecen Hun 14.389 Zrinjski Mostar * Bos 2.364
Trabzonspor Tur 12.872 Skonto Riga * Lat 2.199
CL Rom 12.101 Sheriff Tiraspol * Mol 2.089
Vålerengen IF Nor 11.666 FBK Kaunas * Lit 1.759

3rd Qualifying Round

Seeded teams coef. Unseeded teams coef.
------------------------ --- ------- ------------------------ --- -------
Liverpool (TH) * Eng 115.864 Slavia Praha Cze 35.223
Manchester United Eng 110.864 Real Betis Esp 34.326
Internazionale Ita 101.191 FC Basel Sui 33.889
Panathinaikos Gre 70.714 Wisla Kraków Pol 32.930
Celtic ** Sco 63.477 Partizan Belgrade ** Srb 30.012
Villarreal Esp 58.326 Udinese Ita 30.191
Sporting CP Lisbon Por 55.740 Shakhtar Donetsk (**) Ukr 28.200
AS Monaco Fra 53.325 Maccabi Haifa ** Isr 21.218
Ajax Ned 52.144 Everton Eng 20.864
Club Brugge Bel 50.477 CL ** Den 15.676
Anderlecht ** Bel 47.477 Rapid Wien ** Aut 15.209
Glasgow Rangers Sco 40.477 CSKA Sofia ** Bul 15.118
Dinamo Kiev (**) Ukr 40.200 DVSC Debrecen ** Hun 14.389
Werder Bremen Ger 40.166 Trabzonspor ** Tur 12.872
Lokomotiv Moscow ** Rus 38.470 CL ** Rom 12.101
Rosenborg BK Nor 36.666 Vålerengen IF ** Nor 11.666

btw, where did u get this from?

here

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/seedcl2005.html

by **FrankM** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:47 pm

Like most I am deligheted to be in it. however I feel it is disgraceful that we have to defend it from the 1st qualifying round.
As most people agree the culprits are the FA and they should be bombarded with emails to let them know what is thought of the. AR*EHOLES.
Looking on the bright side, rather than defending the trophy ( which we already own) I see this as the first assault on outright ownership of the next one.

by **LFC #1** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:55 pm

We can't draw Manure, as we will be seeded cos of our co-efficient.

Everton is a possibility.

LeeJ, we zare not classed as an English club as we have been invited by UEFA not the FA, therefore we can draw an English club at any stage.

by **stmichael** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:58 pm

LFC #1 wrote:We can't draw Manure, as we will be seeded cos of our co-efficient.

Everton is a possibility.

LeeJ, we zare not classed as an English club as we have been invited by UEFA not the FA, therefore we can draw an English club at any stage.

Took the words right out of my mouth LFC#1.

Just to clear it up people, seeding is based on a team's co-efficient ranking, it has nothing to do with how/why you qualified.

We cannot draw Manchester United in the 3rd qualifying round as they will be seeded too and so the draw seperates us. However, Everton will not be seeded (unless seeds in the 1st/2nd qualifying round get knocked out and don't reach the 3rd round) and so there is a possiblity we could draw them.

*dreams of stuffing Everton in the 3rd qualifying round* :love:

Again, should we make the group stages, we will be in the no.1 group of seeds because we have the highest co-efficient ranking.

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:00 pm

guys.. be happy, we could have not been in it at all. (as we where not good enough last year!!!) Think of the positives.. Everton get less money now we are in it. ha ha h a

by **Roger Red Hat** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:01 pm

Oh this is too confusing.

Whatever happens, we're in.

by **MilitiaRusher** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:02 pm

And assume we do make it to the group phase, will we definately be in Pot 1?

by **lakes10** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:05 pm

radoi 5 have said that liverpool will not be going to japan and this will cost the club £4m?

? as much as that?

by **laza** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:05 pm

Lee J wrote:
laza wrote:
LFC #1 wrote:
aco67 wrote:
stmichael wrote:by my calculations, it is possible that we could draw everton in the third qualifying round.

just imagine how sweet that would be when we put them back where they belong. NOWHERE

I think we'll both be unseeded in the 3rd Qualies
Therefore both have to play a seeded team
So I don't think we can

Sorry Mick

No club can be drawn against a club from their own country until the quarter finals.

Even if they could, Everton are unseeded anyway.

We dont have country protection which i thinks mean we can

Why you no listen?

We don't have country protection - true, but Everton do!! therefore they wont play another English team.

think about it again mate

by **stmichael** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:13 pm

Lee J wrote:Oh this is too confusing.

yeah and to make it even mor confusing, we could possibly draw chelsea in the group stage.

by **hawkmoon269** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:13 pm

Who cares, we're in. For weeks we've been lamenting over the need to be in the CL. Now that we've been allowed in, some people are getting bitter about where we have to start from. We're not Everton, so stop being bitter!

The first 2 qualifiers are against minnows, if we can't beat them, even with a reserve side, we should pack up our bags and forget about it totally.

One of the teams in the unseeded section is Glentoran, from Northern Ireland. A couple of years ago we beat them 4-0, and it was just like a training match to watch.

So, hopefully, we can use these matches to get match fit for the start of the EPL.

by **Spionian** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:16 pm

What's the point in UEFA taking our country protection away if Chelsea, Arsenal, Utd and the bitters have it. Think about it, we are actually nationless if that makes sense so if we did draw the blue noses they WOULD HAVE TO PLAY US, because we will effectively not be from their country

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