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Fowler_E7 wrote:

banana wrote:

stu_the_red wrote:

TBH Stu he got ripped to shreds off Van Persie, Robben, RVN and Kuijt because of his lack of pace AC Milan the first half, 3-0 against Arsenal, he will suit games in the prem where they dont have much pace upfront or on the wing, the likes of Bolton, Blackburn etc etc.
I am not saying get shut certainly not I love him hes been a rock in our defence for years, and his best work is against teams that play the long ball when he nuts it out with his bonce, but teams with pace can leave him standing.

Lyndsey thats mate. He gets exposed by poor players around him. I've gone over this time and time and time again. For FINLAND... who's he got playing around him? I can't name any of them and i bet a pound to a pinch of none of them are class defenders.

Hyypia's NEVER had pace, NEVER will have. That doesnt' make him a bad centre half. His reading of the game positional play and ariel ability make him the monster he is. He's highly influencial. Also, Chelsea had plenty of pace when we kept 2 clean sheets against them, as did Arsenal at Anfield when we conceeded one goal. The fact is Carragher NEVER lets Hyypia down positionally, Riise rarely does it. Traore does it 4 or 5 times again which means Hyypia has to cover a position he's not overly comfortable in. With a good left back and Carragher next to him he's solid as a rock.

I remember when he had Carragher and Henchoz either side of him and there was talk of him being the best in the world. He had players there who didn't let him down and he never once let them down. Now of course with players like Traore next to him, he struggles occassionally, no wonder.

If we want to compete against Arsenal, Man U and Chelse we need defenders like Terry, Carvahlo, Ferdinand, Toure, Campbell etc.

We CANNOT afford to have players with no pace and bad skills on the ball. This IS the issue. We are 30 - 40 points off the pace because we are extremely shaky in DEFENCE.

I think Hyypia is a jolly good lad, and a fine ambassador for LFC. But his SKILLS are just no good enough. He can't pass, he is very very slow, he makes serious errors of judgement and gets caught out of position all the time.

Hyypia was immense when we played a deep defensive line. He had a couple of midfielders to babysit in front of him, and he never got caught out of position since he only was responsible for a few square feet of space in front of the goalkeeper. This also meant that he seldom got outpaced because there was no space between him and the goalie and the midfielders gave him maximum protection in front.

When we try to push forward and play the Liverpool way. pass, move and attack he get exposed all the time. There need not be much quality to get Hyypia in trouble, just a little bit of pace and he is gone. Fulham has done it(both games), Milan (first half), Crystal Palace, Boro, Southhampton, Birmingham, Everton, the list just goes on.

Hyypia did well against Chelsea and Juventus. But in those games we played very carefully and we played a DEEP defensive line. We played Houllier style. We will play that style only on difficult away games in europe and away to Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal. About 10 games a year i guess. In the 40 remaining games we play more attacking football and the defenders must cover more ground. In all these games Hyypia is a accident waiting to happen.

I say again we need Toure, Campbell, Terry kind of players. hyypia is nowhere near that standard and never will be.

If seriously beleive Toure is a better defender than Hyppia then your seriously deluding yourself. You mentioned in your post that we need defenders like Carvhalo and Terry if we are to challenge the top three because our defence lacks pace( your favourite word) and ball skills, even though none these players our particuarly quick or skillfull. You make a point and then and completly contradict a sentence later.

stu_the_red wrote:Hyypia played his last game for LFC?

You reckon?

I'll bet you he hasn't.

I bet the same. Banana, I don't know what you have against Hyypia but he is a rock solid defender who uses his brain. YOu are saying our defence is shaky, check the record and see how many goals were scored against us. Our goal against record is not that bad. Its because our Forward are not scoring enough goals. As for saying Carvalho is better than Hyypia, get a life as Carvalho is one dirty cheating player. He looks good because of the overall defence of CHelsea, if you put him at the defense of the Finland squad replcaing Hyypia, I'm sure he will look as well. Heck, put you there and you will look too. Also, you only named couple players who you think is better than Hyypia. That means not many who is better than Hyypia. You can't have everything in life and Hyypia certainly is not the problem at the moment. You can always criticize someone as it is easy to do but you have to be convincing though. Other than Carra this season, Hyypia was the most consistent player over the last couple of years. If he is , why Inter wanted to get him.... 

Fowler_E7 wrote:

banana wrote:

stu_the_red wrote:

TBH Stu he got ripped to shreds off Van Persie, Robben, RVN and Kuijt because of his lack of pace AC Milan the first half, 3-0 against Arsenal, he will suit games in the prem where they dont have much pace upfront or on the wing, the likes of Bolton, Blackburn etc etc.
I am not saying get shut certainly not I love him hes been a rock in our defence for years, and his best work is against teams that play the long ball when he nuts it out with his bonce, but teams with pace can leave him standing.

Lyndsey thats mate. He gets exposed by poor players around him. I've gone over this time and time and time again. For FINLAND... who's he got playing around him? I can't name any of them and i bet a pound to a pinch of none of them are class defenders.

Hyypia's NEVER had pace, NEVER will have. That doesnt' make him a bad centre half. His reading of the game positional play and ariel ability make him the monster he is. He's highly influencial. Also, Chelsea had plenty of pace when we kept 2 clean sheets against them, as did Arsenal at Anfield when we conceeded one goal. The fact is Carragher NEVER lets Hyypia down positionally, Riise rarely does it. Traore does it 4 or 5 times again which means Hyypia has to cover a position he's not overly comfortable in. With a good left back and Carragher next to him he's solid as a rock.

I remember when he had Carragher and Henchoz either side of him and there was talk of him being the best in the world. He had players there who didn't let him down and he never once let them down. Now of course with players like Traore next to him, he struggles occassionally, no wonder.

If we want to compete against Arsenal, Man U and Chelse we need defenders like Terry, Carvahlo, Ferdinand, Toure, Campbell etc.

We CANNOT afford to have players with no pace and bad skills on the ball. This IS the issue. We are 30 - 40 points off the pace because we are extremely shaky in DEFENCE.

I think Hyypia is a jolly good lad, and a fine ambassador for LFC. But his SKILLS are just no good enough. He can't pass, he is very very slow, he makes serious errors of judgement and gets caught out of position all the time.

Hyypia was immense when we played a deep defensive line. He had a couple of midfielders to babysit in front of him, and he never got caught out of position since he only was responsible for a few square feet of space in front of the goalkeeper. This also meant that he seldom got outpaced because there was no space between him and the goalie and the midfielders gave him maximum protection in front.

When we try to push forward and play the Liverpool way. pass, move and attack he get exposed all the time. There need not be much quality to get Hyypia in trouble, just a little bit of pace and he is gone. Fulham has done it(both games), Milan (first half), Crystal Palace, Boro, Southhampton, Birmingham, Everton, the list just goes on.

Hyypia did well against Chelsea and Juventus. But in those games we played very carefully and we played a DEEP defensive line. We played Houllier style. We will play that style only on difficult away games in europe and away to Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal. About 10 games a year i guess. In the 40 remaining games we play more attacking football and the defenders must cover more ground. In all these games Hyypia is a accident waiting to happen.

I say again we need Toure, Campbell, Terry kind of players. hyypia is nowhere near that standard and never will be.

If seriously beleive Toure is a better defender than Hyppia then your seriously deluding yourself. You mentioned in your post that we need defenders like Carvhalo and Terry if we are to challenge the top three because our defence lacks pace( your favourite word) and ball skills, even though none these players our particuarly quick or skillfull. You make a point and then and completly contradict a sentence later.

banana wrote:Get a life Fowler.

For Terry and Carvahlo pace is not so much of a problem. They have about as much of it as Carragher does. And pace has not been a problem for Carra has it? You can twist and turn on my words how much you like, but you can't make hyypia faster, better on the ball or get me to change my position on the subject. hyypia has probably played his final game for LFC. and i'm perfectly happy with that. So has Biscan, Smicer and Kirkland. And I'm happy with that too. If we want to get better we must get rid of all the deadwood, including Hyypia.