What was footie like in 70s/early 80s

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Postby Big Niall » Wed May 04, 2005 12:41 pm

it was mid 1980s before I was able to watch football but it amazes me that Forest won Euro cup twice and Shilton&O'Neill are the only players I know. How did Villa become champions - I don't know a single player who is remembered as being class.

I mean nobody talks about that villa team. they had no great players and clubs like Juve/Barca/ Munich etc weren't up to their level.

I can't imagine English football was that good (failed to qualify for 74&78 world cups).
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Postby jonnymac1979 » Wed May 04, 2005 3:33 pm

The Villa side were supposed to be a good side, I don't remember as I was only two years old but they had good players going by reputation and archive footage what I've seen.  Peter Withe was pretty good and they had this little fast winger called Gary Shaw.

The Forest sides were very hard to beat and played good football.
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Postby woof woof ! » Wed May 04, 2005 5:11 pm

I remember watching the Villa /Bayern final on the telly ..As I recall Villa started or played most of the match with a teenage keeper playerg his first senior game !! and he had a blinder . Bayern murdered them for 99.9% of the game but couldn't score ,it was like the "Alamo" bodies falling every where.. On a rare Villa counter the ball came in from wide on the left and Peter Whithe ? bundled it in for Villa's winner .

Don't remember how Villa won the league they were pretty average IMO .

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Postby Leonmc0708 » Wed May 04, 2005 5:13 pm

woof woof ! wrote:I remember watching the Villa /Bayern final on the telly ..As I recall Villa started or played most of the match with a teenage keeper playerg his first senior game !! and he had a blinder . Bayern murdered them for 99.9% of the game but couldn't score ,it was like the "Alamo" bodies falling every where.. On a rare Villa counter the ball came in from wide on the left and Peter Whithe ? bundled it in for Villa's winner .

Don't remember how Villa won the league they were pretty average IMO .

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Postby bigmick » Wed May 04, 2005 5:21 pm

Like all Championship winning teams the Villa one was a good side. Workmanlike with little bits of flair thrownin. They had couple of older guys and a couple of really promising younger fells who never really kicked on and fulfilled their potential.
Top of my head (and one or two of these may not have been in THAT team but were definately of that era) has Derek Mountfield at centre-half who was very John Terry like in his goalscoring prowess. They had Dennis Mortimer and Gordon Cowans in midfield who were both good players (particularly Cowans), a bloke called Tony Morley who was a bit of a pigeon catcher on the wing, and the aforementioned Withe and Gary Shaw upfront.
Morley and Shaw never really kicked on as itlooked like they might, though in the case of the prodigeously talented Shaw, I'm almost certain that serious injury did as much as anything to stop him in his tracks.
They were a good side though, don't let anyone tell you different.
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Postby woof woof ! » Wed May 04, 2005 5:27 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:I remember watching the Villa /Bayern final on the telly ..As I recall Villa started or played most of the match with a teenage keeper playerg his first senior game !! and he had a blinder . Bayern murdered them for 99.9% of the game but couldn't score ,it was like the "Alamo" bodies falling every where.. On a rare Villa counter the ball came in from wide on the left and Peter Whithe ? bundled it in for Villa's winner .

Don't remember how Villa won the league they were pretty average IMO .

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Spot on Leon .
I've just looked it up , he replaced Rimmer after 10mins ,he had previously made only one first team apperance ,and like I said he played an absolute blinder .If Bayern had thrown a kitchen sink at him he would have saved it .  :D
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Postby woof woof ! » Wed May 04, 2005 5:32 pm

bigmick wrote:They were a good side though, don't let anyone tell you different.

Your right Mick ,you don't win the league and a european cup unless you've got something to offer . Guess I think of them as average as they never became a dominant force , they were good for 2-3 seasons then declined .
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Postby taff » Wed May 04, 2005 7:53 pm

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Postby yckatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed May 04, 2005 8:57 pm

bigmick wrote:Like all Championship winning teams the Villa one was a good side. Workmanlike with little bits of flair thrownin. They had couple of older guys and a couple of really promising younger fells who never really kicked on and fulfilled their potential.
Top of my head (and one or two of these may not have been in THAT team but were definately of that era) has Derek Mountfield at centre-half who was very John Terry like in his goalscoring prowess. They had Dennis Mortimer and Gordon Cowans in midfield who were both good players (particularly Cowans), a bloke called Tony Morley who was a bit of a pigeon catcher on the wing, and the aforementioned Withe and Gary Shaw upfront.
Morley and Shaw never really kicked on as itlooked like they might, though in the case of the prodigeously talented Shaw, I'm almost certain that serious injury did as much as anything to stop him in his tracks.
They were a good side though, don't let anyone tell you different.

they were a good side in those days under ron saunders and they were not one season wonders either, they`d been finishing in the uefa cup places for a few years. they had 3 scousers in their team kenny swain, dennis mortimer and peter withe as well. must admit i`m struggling to remember any more players from that side but i think the current tranmere boss brian little, ken mcnaught and des bremner were another 3 playing for them around then.
ipswich had a good side in those days too with the likes of paul mariner, eric gates, arnold murhen, frans thiessen, george burley, terry butcher, alan brasil and john wark. their keeper paul cooper was a excellent penalty saver who used to `sway` on the line as the pen taker ran in to shoot.
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Postby gabbyh » Wed May 04, 2005 9:11 pm

In the 7o's and 80's the tackling was ruthless and hard. Tackling from behind was allowed and keepers were not as well protected as they are now.
The English league in the 80's was well respected in Europe, we were hard and firm tacklers, didn't cheat by diving and trying to get a fellow professional booked or sent off. If a player fell to the floor, he was definitely injured!!

European teams may have thought us lacking in the skill they had, but they still respected us. Liverpool at the time were a mix of grafters and skilled players.

The difference now is the amount of money in the game. Money ruins all sports eventually.
Todays players may be more skillful, but their attitude stinks.
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Postby yckatbjywtbiastkamb » Wed May 04, 2005 10:35 pm

gabbyh wrote:In the 7o's and 80's the tackling was ruthless and hard. Tackling from behind was allowed and keepers were not as well protected as they are now.
The English league in the 80's was well respected in Europe, we were hard and firm tacklers, didn't cheat by diving and trying to get a fellow professional booked or sent off. If a player fell to the floor, he was definitely injured!!

European teams may have thought us lacking in the skill they had, but they still respected us. Liverpool at the time were a mix of grafters and skilled players.

The difference now is the amount of money in the game. Money ruins all sports eventually.
Todays players may be more skillful, but their attitude stinks.

yeah i agree with you gabby the game was harder then but it wasnt only the british sides. the italians were ruthless too, players like gentile revelled in their reputations as `hatchet men` kicking anything that moved and i also remember athletico madrid (or was it bilbao?) had a side that were a right bunch of bruisers. the centre halfs looked like the boxers and gangsters you`d find in the old laurel and hardy films - you know the type.....black hair and loads of stubble on granite jaws.
lucky we had souness.
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Postby Igor Zidane » Thu May 05, 2005 1:36 am

when LFC were winning everything there were alot more teams capable of winning the title not just the top 3 ie forest,villa ,spurs bluesh!te,leeds arsenal even QPR and west ham the title was much harder to win imo
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Postby taff » Thu May 05, 2005 11:18 am

Football Focus cult heroes last Saturday had the Villa keeper Spink as the main feature.

He was saying how young keeprs these days laugh when he tells them you could pick up a back pass years ago.

How times have changed eh
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Postby Big Niall » Thu May 05, 2005 1:47 pm

The good ol back pass was great, I played centre back and wasn't the fastest or most skillfill, it was a great "get out of jail free" card.
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