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by **LFC #1** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:37 pm

Rafa will be successful if he wins one or two leagues and European Cup in the next 7-8 yrs if he is still here.

by **JBG** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:38 pm

taff wrote:
John Barnes' Granny wrote:You have to go back to Paisley and Clough to find the last of the genuinely top bracket English managers.

El Tel
Robson

Oh and in answer to the question No I dont think an English manager would have done a better job.

How many Championships and European cups did they win in England?

by **Big Niall** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:38 pm

drifting from the topic, I don't consider Dalglish a successful manager, he took over the number one team, had 3 great seasons 86-88 but when he left us Arsenal were the best team in England. We never got back.

by **dawson99** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:44 pm

rafa is still the man for the job. i beleive that more than ever. hes got the right attitude and passion if u ask me, and all this talk does nothing for fan morale

by **Rafalution** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:25 pm

vvs wrote:Do you think that Lfc should have got an English manager?
maybe some1 like bruce,allardyce etc.
rafa is a great manager who has done very well in the la liga but should Lfc have gone for a manager who may know more about the premiership?
Not dissin rafa in anyway just want to know your opinions.

Personally, I think Rafa is doing a magnificent job and I cannot think of a single English manager who would be doing any better.
I think a major factor which everyone on here seems to be overlooking about our current sqaud is all the internal problems we have been having.
In my opinion, Houllier was doing a good job at the club. We won the treble and I think all of us were thinking that the premiership would come soon, then the team started playing how they've been playing ever since. Under acheiving massively.
I think the reason for the downturn in form is probably behind the scenes problems amongst the players. It's been well documented in the press about the problems between the English lad's and the foreigners not getting on too well off the field (and on it in my opinion !!). Add to this the problems between Sami and Henchoz which eventually lead to Henchoz leaving the club. Then for good measure take into account all the transfer speculation surrounding Owen and now Gerrard in recent seasons and that to me equals a very unsettled picture behind closed doors.
I think Houlliers downfall was his failure to release Henchoz from the club sooner (anyone noticed how Sami's form has picked up since he has left the club ?) and his constant praise for Owen and Gerrard in the press which will have only increased hostilities between the English and foreign players.

What Rafa has done since he has been at the club is to try to turn this around. You can see he is trying to sort out the mentality of the players so that they all play as a team and not as individuals as we have seen in recent years. For example his condemnation of Gerrard for saying that we will not win the Champions Leage. That for me was an indication that Rafa will not take anyone speaking out of turn and that includes the skipper. That sends out a message to the other players. I think also that is why Biscan has come back to the fore after looking like he was going to leave. I think he has sorted out his mentality and has proven that he wants to play for the team.
I think this is most evident in the Spanish players. Although there has been criticism of them on these pages and people have questioned their commitment to the club. I think the one thing all the Spanish players have shown is their commitment to their manager. That to me is as important as their love for the club as they all came to Liverpool to play for Rafa.
I think that in the summer, Rafa will continue to remove the players from the club who either don't have the right mental approach for the way Rafa wants to play, and also those who he feels no longer want to either play for the club or work as a team and accept the managers decisions.

Until all that has been sorted out, I cannot see us winning much, however I feel Rafa has gone a long way already with this process and I think we will be a much better team next season !

That is my opinion anyway.

by **stmichael** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:30 pm

i think leon pretty much summed it up. high profile managers who have won major honours are able to attract higher profile players due to their reputation. if we had got a manager such as curbishley for example, alonso and morientes would never have come here in a million years.

by **banana** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:53 pm

Most English managers are bad. Pure and simple. The current generation of English manager were part of an era when players were out drinking booze and fighting 6 times a week. They played kick and run football and had no clue about nutrition and scientific training methods and football tactics.

Things are changing however. A new generation of manager will force its way through. And these guys will have been influenced by modern managerial techniques primarily introduced in England by the influx of foreign players and trainers. Hopefully this will lead to a more technical game and to english youngsters having better basic skills on the ball.

by **stmichael** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:54 pm

banana wrote:Most English managers are bad. Pure and simple.

amazing how scotland produce so many great managers when their football team is sh#te isn't it? :laugh:

by **taff** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:10 pm

John Barnes' Granny wrote:
taff wrote:
John Barnes' Granny wrote:You have to go back to Paisley and Clough to find the last of the genuinely top bracket English managers.

El Tel
Robson

Oh and in answer to the question No I dont think an English manager would have done a better job.

How many Championships and European cups did they win in England?

How many international tournaments did they compete in

Ok seriously I rate those two, look at Robson at Ipswich and El Tel at Palace and Spurs. I think the difference with Paisley and Clough is they stayed at the same clubs. Now you could argue for Clough cos he did it from scratch and with chairmen incomparavle to ours but I absolutely adore Paisley so he gets my vote all the time. Also remember that Robson and El Tel competed against Paisley and Clough and somebody has to lose but it doesnt make them bad managers

Now with RB IMO, he competed against bigger teams in La Liga which has to be respected, but he is not Mourinho in personality or financial backing. He strikes me as a Clough or Paisley type of manager who will need time and backing but will produce the results

by **ronmeister** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 3:02 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
vvs wrote:Do you think that Lfc should have got an English manager?
maybe some1 like bruce,allardyce etc.
rafa is a great manager who has done very well in the la liga but should Lfc have gone for a manager who may know more about the premiership?
Not dissin rafa in anyway just want to know your opinions.

There are two reasons why we chose the right man in Benitez rather than any English manager:

1) Alonso

2) Morientes

The fact of the matter is that we would not have signed either of these two players had we gone for another manager, and these two will in my opinion be the players we build the team around for the next five years.

Both are class.

Gotta agree with that.

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