Liverpool FC Forum

by **vvs** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 3:08 am

Do you think that Lfc should have got an English manager?
maybe some1 like bruce,allardyce etc.
rafa is a great manager who has done very well in the la liga but should Lfc have gone for a manager who may know more about the premiership?
Not dissin rafa in anyway just want to know your opinions.

by **L-type** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 3:29 am

Well we all knew this year would be one of transition, which includes Rafa learning the intricacies of the english game. No harm no foul because I would love to see someone like allardyce deal with all our problems while maintiaing a hope of cl football next year.

by **112-1077774096** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:36 am

bruce and allardyce?? are you for real??

neither has any success in the premier league, since the premier league was formed an english manager has not won it so why do you think an english manager would be more succsessful, the closest was keegan in 95/96 season

by **Leonmc0708** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:09 am

vvs wrote:Do you think that Lfc should have got an English manager?
maybe some1 like bruce,allardyce etc.
rafa is a great manager who has done very well in the la liga but should Lfc have gone for a manager who may know more about the premiership?
Not dissin rafa in anyway just want to know your opinions.

There are two reasons why we chose the right man in Benitez rather than any English manager:

1) Alonso

2) Morientes

The fact of the matter is that we would not have signed either of these two players had we gone for another manager, and these two will in my opinion be the players we build the team around for the next five years.

Both are class.

by **African-red** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:59 am

It will be unfair to judge Benitez on his first season alone. No manager could have dealt better with the current situation that he is in. Inherinting a terrible squad and then injuries to very important members of the squad. I think this was a terrible season and we were very unfortunate. We should really be glad at how we still fared though. We did threaten teams with depth, reached a final and having a good run in the CL.

by **JBG** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:12 am

You have to go back to Paisley and Clough to find the last of the genuinely top bracket English managers.

by **akumaface** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:55 am

How about a Chinese, German or Czech manager?? WTF, nationality had nothing to do with it. Its all about ability, knowledge and hard work.

by **Woollyback** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:59 am

Today's premiership squads are made up of lads from all over the world, LFC being a prime example. I can't imagine having an English manager would have any effect whatsoever on any of the foreign players and probably not on the english lads either

by **anfieldadorer** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:12 am

vvs wrote:should Lfc have gone for a manager who may know more about the premiership?

why should we think about other manager than rafa who may know more about the premiership?
if he knew more about premiership, then is he obviously better than a manager of rafa's calibre?
say he does know more about premiership, should he also know more about how survive in european championship than rafa? then who is this man? oh okay, he's mourinho! (

still he's not an english)

by **taff** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:17 am

John Barnes' Granny wrote:You have to go back to Paisley and Clough to find the last of the genuinely top bracket English managers.

El Tel

Robson

Oh and in answer to the question No I dont think an English manager would have done a better job.

by **Big Niall** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:50 am

There is still no excuse for Everton being better than us (the table doesn't lie). look the everton team sheet - rubbish players.

How did we get to be worse than Everton?

by **Woollyback** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:51 am

don't forget moyes has had a fair old while to mould his team into what they are today. Rafa hasn't even had a fulls eason yet

by **bigmick** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:04 pm

It's a fair question as usual recieving some unfair responses. Personally I think in Rafa we have an absolute gem which is just as well considering the shambles he has inherited.
To the guy who said that Allardyce and Bruce have achieved nothing in the Premiership I can't agree there, particularly with Allardyce. True, he's never won the thing but the job he's done at a nothing club like Bolton is absolutely astounding. Similarly, Curbishly at Charlton has been amazingly successful with limited resources. Things follow a pattern on this site with anything from "lesser" clubs being ridiculed, "not good enough for us" etc etc. Just occasionally though, these blokes can make the step up, visa-vis Martin O'Neil's near miss against Mourhinio's Porto in the UEFA final having comfortably disposed of us along the way, or Cahills emergence at Everton from the backwaters of Millwall. It can be done and I for one think that if he ever jumps ship, Allardyce will be a fantastic big-time manager at a big club.
All that said I think Rafa's the man and will support him all the way.

by **maximus** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:31 pm

bigmick wrote:It's a fair question as usual recieving some unfair responses. Personally I think in Rafa we have an absolute gem which is just as well considering the shambles he has inherited.
To the guy who said that Allardyce and Bruce have achieved nothing in the Premiership I can't agree there, particularly with Allardyce. True, he's never won the thing but the job he's done at a nothing club like Bolton is absolutely astounding. Similarly, Curbishly at Charlton has been amazingly successful with limited resources. Things follow a pattern on this site with anything from "lesser" clubs being ridiculed, "not good enough for us" etc etc. Just occasionally though, these blokes can make the step up, visa-vis Martin O'Neil's near miss against Mourhinio's Porto in the UEFA final having comfortably disposed of us along the way, or Cahills emergence at Everton from the backwaters of Millwall. It can be done and I for one think that if he ever jumps ship, Allardyce will be a fantastic big-time manager at a big club.
All that said I think Rafa's the man and will support him all the way.

Mick,

I have heard this argument a million times, about managers doing a fantastic job with limited resources. that is a fair argument, however the pressure of managing a 'big' club (even with our current mediocre status we still are IMO) is such that the pressure to deliver trophies ie. Champions league and premiership, is greater IMO than say 'survival' in the premier League.

Rafa has to emulate the likes of Shanks, Paisley, Dalglish e.t.c. BEFORE he is considered a success, or am I stretching (all be it over say a 10 year period) the expectation too far??
The next question is of course which has been asked on this forum before will we win the Prem. in the next 10 years, I FIRMLY believe we will

by **bigmick** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:37 pm

Dead right Max and I have said that I love Rafa (not in the biblical sense you underatand). I'm merely saying that to constantly dismiss up and comers is a big mistake. People have to start somewhere and my contention is that 8th with Bolton (which is where they finished last season) is an absolutely astounding achievement. There is no guarantee we will finish above them this season though it would be a surprise if we didn't.
As for pressure, is it more pressure trying to get a team into fourth like Rafa or trying to get a team into fourth from bottom like Ian Dowie or Harry redknapp? I know where I'd rather be.

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