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by **azriahmad** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:40 am

peewee, I think Iker Casillias, when he made his breakthrough at Real was only 18 or 19 but he kept Bodo Illgner, a world cup winner with Germany, out and made some very outstanding saves for Real in the CL (year 2000 if I am not mistaken). He has been outstanding for them in the La Liga earlier on when he helped them scrape 1-0 wins.

You are mostly right in saying that 'keepers get more stable and mature as they get more experience and grow older but there are some exceptions. Petr Cech is only 22 but he has been really outstanding for Chelski this season and pulled off some saves which earned points for his team.

by **112-1077774096** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:03 am

azriahmad wrote:peewee, I think Iker Casillias, when he made his breakthrough at Real was only 18 or 19 but he kept Bodo Illgner, a world cup winner with Germany, out and made some very outstanding saves for Real in the CL (year 2000 if I am not mistaken). He has been outstanding for them in the La Liga earlier on when he helped them scrape 1-0 wins.

You are mostly right in saying that 'keepers get more stable and mature as they get more experience and grow older but there are some exceptions. Petr Cech is only 22 but he has been really outstanding for Chelski this season and pulled off some saves which earned points for his team.

you said it, they are the exception rather than the rule. im for giving him a chance anyway and see what happens. but i do think the vast majority of keepers improve with age.

stu, was any of that rant aimed at me? i actually agree with some of bananas points for once on the keeper thing. now im sure ive been to more games than you so am i a f*ckwit as well?
while we are quoting fabels, have you heard the one that goes 'with age comes experience'?

by **azriahmad** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:03 am

if we have 4th place all sewed up (which we don't by a long way) and if this Carson is really as good at that age as Casillias, perhaps he can be considered but we don't have the luxury and he needs to be slowly bedded in at the domestic stage first.

by **hawkmoon269** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:24 am

ivor_the_injun wrote:The away goal has changed the complexion of the tie, but let's not forget that they've now got 2 of their first choice midfielders suspended. Biscan and Hamann were bossing them completely, so god only knows what Hamann and Stevie will do to their second string choices. Yes, they're a tough proposition at home, but on our day we can do serious damage to any team whether it's going toe-to-toe or on the counter, so I'm far from pessimistic.

It's such a shame that we haven't got the 3 goal cushion, and I'm as frustrated as anyone with Dudek's timing, but let's not forget that his 2 very good saves earlier in the half avoided a scoreline that could very easily have been 2-1 or even 2-2. Obviously everyone's entitled to jump all over Jerzy for the blunder, but to be honest I wouldn't put my shirt on any of our three keepers to get through 90 mins without doing something stupid, so it's not as if dropping him is the obvious thing to do.

Agreed Ivor....
If we let them come back from 3-1 down, to win, then we don't deserve to go through.

We just need to play with the same level of committment, passion, heart, desire....all those words, and we will win.

Last night was the first time in ages that we chased every ball, and closed down the opposition in their own half - look at the number of times Bayer was caught in possession.

We can do this.

Walk on...

by **Ciggy** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:40 am

Dudek needs shootin for yet another stupid blunder, the team worked really hard and he give BL a lifeline, f@ckin idiot :glare:

by **Sean** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:42 am

Another change in goalkeeper at this stage of the season is likely to upset the defence. I reckon Benitez should back Dudek until May, get the most out of him and then replace him.

As much as we are prioritising Gerrards situation and loving the signing of Morientes, it has to be acknowledged that all successful teams have one common denominator.......a top class goalkeeper. Chelsea will win the premiership this year largely due to the fact that Peter Cech does not concede goals. Their back four play confidently knowing that they have a world class keeper behind them.

The decline of United's premiership dominance coincided with Schmiceals retirement. No matter who they play in the back four they have been vulnerable ever since. For all Arsenals tricks up front I'm sure Wenger would willingly trade one of his prized outfielders for a young David Seaman. Would Forest have won the european cup twice without Shilton ? In the last world cup Germany got to the final with one of the worst teams in their history because of Oliver Kahn. Everyone remembers the great Brazil team of '82 with Zico, Socrates etc....but did they seriousl think they would win the world cup with a dodgy keeper (Peres) ?

We haven't had a top class keeper for 15 years. Since then we have enjoyed only two seasons when our goalkeeper performed well.....2001 when Westerweld was crucial in us winning the treble and 2002 when Dudek had his best season and we came second in the league.

Hopefully, Carson is the answer because we need to find a world class keeper who will serve us for 10 years and enable us to build a team from there.

by **hawkmoon269** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:46 am

cisses_gona_get_ya wrote:Dudek needs shootin for yet another stupid blunder, the team worked really hard and he give BL a lifeline, f@ckin idiot

100% agreed Lyndsay - fu(king @rsehole!!!

by **Ciggy** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:47 am

Another pathetic blunder last minute goal conceeded against Pompey :Oo:

That was so stupid it was unbelievable :upside:

by **hawkmoon269** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:50 am

cisses_gona_get_ya wrote:Another pathetic blunder last minute goal conceeded against Pompey That was so stupid it was unbelievable

As I said before - concentration of a goldfish, or was it a goalfish - he is always fishing the ball out of the back of the net.

by **Santa** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:04 pm

ivor_the_injun wrote:It's such a shame that we haven't got the 3 goal cushion, and I'm as frustrated as anyone with Dudek's timing, but let's not forget that his 2 very good saves earlier in the half avoided a scoreline that could very easily have been 2-1 or even 2-2. Obviously everyone's entitled to jump all over Jerzy for the blunder, but to be honest I wouldn't put my shirt on any of our three keepers to get through 90 mins without doing something stupid, so it's not as if dropping him is the obvious thing to do.

Jerzy was paid good money to keep goals and make saves us mere mortals can only dream of. Instead he makes howlers after howlers in important matches these past 2 seasons. (I am sure I could do better than him on this occasion

)

Never have I seen such good performance by our team (when everyone is writting us off) tasted so sour!

Well, if the Mancs and Chelski get a trashing toight, it just might put a smile back to my face...

by **Fowler_E7** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:15 pm

Dudek is finished imo. He's made far too many errors now to command the trust of the manager and the defence. I think he will be in the team for the rest of the season but for no longer, he will most probably be sold in the summer.

by **stmichael** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:19 pm

dudek's main problem is his mental state. he's still haunted by demons if you ask me.

by **antz** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:31 pm

Concentration, I used to play cricket and was a wicket-keeper which requires 100% concentration on every ball which is bowled as you never know when your going to be called upon. The minute you switch off by sods law is the time the chance comes which you are not prepared for as your mind is somewhere else. Dudek seems to me to switch off when he isnt involved frequently. He seems to be able to make good saves back to back in a shot space of time but if not called upon for a length of time goes into la la land.

by **Polish fan** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:42 pm

To all supporters that condemn Jerzy,you should always support your player.I am not sure if we were watching the same game yesterday,Jerzy saved you and you should be grateful for that.To my mind there is no need to remind you the game,but i'd like to put stress on the 2nd leg when Jerzy was fantastic.You should remember whole the game,not just a last minute.Nobody is perfect,to remind you Khan,Barthez,Seaman,or Schmaichel.You neeed to remember that you still have in your club ,one of the best goalkeepers in europe.Jerzy neeeds good atmosphere around him,today he's afraid of reading newspapers since it doesn't matter he did good or not you'll always critisize him.You're trying to compare Jerzy to Kirkland,there is nothing to compare.Kirkland is just a puppy of British media,Jerzy not.Nothing less nothing more.I hope that Jerzy'll finally change the club and he''ll go to the club where everybody wants him.I hope that a POlish team will beat you in manchester on october of 2005 and Jerzy'll become a player of the game.Respect to all real fans of Liverpool
Caruso(Poland)

by **antz** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:44 pm

Thanks for that polish fan???

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