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by **Thor Viking** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 12:38 pm

I`ve said it before and I say it again: It`s the managers job to put together a best possible team and to motivate them to do their best in every match ! :angry:

BUT - when he has done that I think the players should have only 1 thing in mind :

" I`m playing for Liverpool ! WOW - we are used to win , and I have to do my very best to keep it up !"

Are they doing that you think ?

by **Starbridge42** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 12:45 pm

Some do, others don't seem motivated. But I feel even then the manager has to instill the belief in his players, you can't just expect the players to discover it. Lets be realistic, this is their job and its a little harder to be motivated than the fan or the local player who watch or play football for fun, the fans don't have to watch or support LFC or any other club so enjoyment is everything but for the players the passion probably is reduced somewhat by the fact they're doing this to earn money. What else are they going to do? Design cathederals? Run for public office?
Don't blame the players, blame the manager.

by **Thor Viking** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:02 pm

If you`re not motivated by playing for LFC- when are you gonna be? I mean, when I go to work designing cathedrals I`m determined to do my job as good as possible. If I in addition made a huge amount of money, and if designing cathedrals was my main interest, I would probably be overmotivated ! maybe that`s the problem - they want too much ?

by **Starbridge42** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:05 pm

My statement may not be correct but its just something I seem to notice in every sport, the greater the team and player the less motivated they are

And since Liverpool is the best team in the universe that must make them pretty unmotivated

by **Owzat** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 2:09 pm

Surely it is the job and the privilege of the incoming manager to replace who he feels necessary. Houllier cleared out most of what he considered Evans' dead wood and the next manager will do the same. Whether their judgement of who to keep and who to get rid of is any good is another matter

by **Thor Viking** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 2:35 pm

Owzat wrote:Surely it is the job and the privilege of the incoming manager to replace who he feels necessary. Houllier cleared out most of what he considered Evans' dead wood and the next manager will do the same. Whether their judgement of who to keep and who to get rid of is any good is another matter

So much for the importance of continuity and stability! If a new manager uses his privilege to get rid of dead wood as you call it, he also creates some turbulance and by that some insecurity among the players? Isn`t that why a new manager often get a good 1st result, because the players will show the new boss they can, and then fall back to where they were ?

by **115-1073096938** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 6:12 pm

Right.

If the manager leaves... what ALOT of people don't understand is a new manager will mean new players all over.

They might not want to play a deep game which doesn't utilise Owens pace, movement and finishing which are his strengths. They may want to play a high defensive offside trap which would leave Sami, Stephane, Carragher and even Finnan exposed as none are blessed with the greatest pace. Houllier sold Fowler because he didn't fit into the style of play and couldn't really keep a player like that as a reserve so don't think a new manager will come in and want to keep the likes of Sami, Finnan, Carragher, Owen, Kewell, Hamann etc. It ain't gonna happen.

A new manager will want to do it his way. Not Houlliers. If he gets it wrong we could end up losing our best players and going back to where we where before Gerard took charge. The only way forward for the club IF Houllier leaves is Phil Thompson.

by **big al** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 8:56 pm

Its a myth to say that changing teams brings instability. I posted here a few weeks back about how much the squad Man U won the Champions league with had changed. In fact go back two seasons and you'd be lucky to get 4 players now playing from that squad.

Change can be very good. The thing that must hold however is the ethos of the club and team. If you get truely professional players (and they are hard to find) then I think you'll find stablility.

This all relates to what Henchoz was saying about players ability, yeah we are close to Man U but I think they have a far superior professional attitude and I believe that Ferguson fosters and maintains that. Regardless of how good you are or how important you think you are to the team, if you don't commit to the ethos and demonstarte true professionalism then he'll show you the door.

Stu we disagree on Houlier but if he'd only showed some of Fergusons attributes I would have a lot more respect for him, as it stands I don't.

by **Owzat** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 9:02 am

Great idea chaps, so let's keep Kermit so that things don't change. So we can look forward to the odd cup or two, living in the shadow of the scum as they overtake our league wins record, finish fifth and continually live on the hope that Kermit might just manage a champions league spot or even win the the title.

What are we looking forward to this season? Maybe a UEFA Cup or FA Cup win and the possibility of finishing fourth. How many seasons of do you tolerate before changes have to be made?

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