Liverpool FC Forum

by **Bring Dalglish back** » Sun Feb 01, 2004 12:40 pm

Manchester United 453 PLD 961 PTS
Arsenal 452 PLD 825 PTS
Liverpool 453 PLD 765 PTS

Since the Premier League began in the 1992-93 season through until the present day, Manchester United have amassed a massive 196 points difference between themselves and Liverpool. This gulf needs to be stopped. The reason why Fergie's men have achieved such a gap is owing to the fact that, instead of drawing against the likes of Everton and rueing plenty of chances like we did yesterday, they capatalise on their opportunities.

by **Starbridge42** » Sun Feb 01, 2004 12:50 pm

True, we just can't get the ball in the bloddy net :angry:

by **The Manhattan Project** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:21 am

Arsene Wenger has bought guys like Patrick Vieira and Thierry Henry. He changed everything at Arsenal F.C. Turning a boring club with a defensive outlook into an exciting attacking team with a Continential style and flair.

Sir Alex Ferguson bought Peter Schmichel, Roy Keane, Eric Cantona, Tim Howard, Ruud Van Nistelrooy, and developed young talent like Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes and David Beckham. He applies the philosophies of Shankley and Paisley to Manchester United F.C. and he wins title after title.

Gerrard Houllier has bought Biscan, Smicer, Diao, Diouf, Traore...etc. The best players we have are all homegrown talent: Owen, Gerrard, Murphy, Carragher.

We missed out on Damien Duff, Frank Lampard, Joe Cole, Wayne Bridge, John Terry, etc. Because we didn't act quickly enough and put our trust in the donkeys that Houllier bought.

That's why we are so far behind.

by **Owzat** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:41 pm

I'm more concerned about the current "gulf" than an accumulated difference. We are 19 points behind the mancs and I don't believe their first XI is that much better than ours

Dudek/Kirkland vs Howard
Hyypia vs Ferdinand
Henchoz vs Silvestre
Carragher vs O'Shea
Finnan vs Neville
Hamann vs Keane
Gerrard vs Scholes
Kewell vs Giggs
Diouf vs Ronaldo
Owen vs Van Nistelrooy
Baros vs Saha

by **big al** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:55 pm

Owzat on paper your right' I think if you take the current liverpool squad and play them under Wenger or Ferguson they'd be acheiving much more in the way of results. Whats the common denominator? Why are they underacheiving?

Is it luck?
Is it bad coaching?
Is it the fans not supporting the team?
Is it confidence?
Is it the rotation system?
Is it tactics?
Is it style of play?

Gerrard Houllier set his own standards. He declared a 5 year plan and to be fair he had an exceptional year two seasons ago. But he has failed to live up to his own standard. He has blamed all the above at one point or another but he's yet to hold his hand up.
I would also ask everyone to stop blaming the players put the fault were it belongs!

by **DAV** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:00 pm

Agree with everything u said al. I thought berger was a waste of space.
He leaves us goes to portsmouth and is having his best season ever.
I believe if we had Ronaldon,zidane, figo,totti and raul
We would be still struggling to keep up with Man utd and Arsenal.
Reason for this is houlier
He seems to bring the worst out in players.

by **Owzat** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 6:41 pm

I would not have got rid of Berger. On form he is brilliant and also can fill in in several positions. He can score some vital goals, takes a decent free kick and is left footed, something we don't have an excess of quality in

by **TOOZUP** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:02 pm

HOW FAR BEHIND UTD WOULD WE BE IF WE BOUGHT PLAYERS LIKE RIVALDO, OKOCHA, JOE COL, DUFF, BOWYER, AND IF WE DIDNT LET PLAYERS LIKE BERGER JARI LITEMAN AND FOWLER GO FOR NEXT TO NOTHING I THINK WE WOULD OF BEEN RIGHT UP THERE WIV THE TOP 3 WERE WE BELONG BUT HOULIER THINKS HES GOT IT RIGHT BUT HE OBIVOUSLY HAS NT AND TIME HAS COME FOR HIM TO HOLD UP HIS HANDS AND SAY HE S NOT GOT NOTHING LEFT HE CAN OFFER LIVERPOOL AND TIME TO REPLAACE HIM WITH WHO I THINK IS THE ONLY MAN TO REPLACE HOULIER AS MANAGER AND WORTHY TO BE MANAGER IS MARTIN ONEIL I BELIEVE HE IS THE MAN WHO CAN BANDAGE THE WOUNDS HOULIER HAS GIVEN LIVERPOOL FC .

by **Owzat** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:06 pm

We could still get Okocha, he says he is thinking of moving at the end of his contract (in June)

by **The Manhattan Project** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 7:41 am

We could still get Okocha, he says he is thinking of moving at the end of his contract (in June)

Would he join us though? He may be tempted to go to either Manchester United, Arsenal or Chelsea. The guarantee of UEFA Champion's League football may be too great to resist.

by **Owzat** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:28 pm

Arsenal and manu may not need him, at Chelski he might not get a look in. The best players don't always end up at the top three clubs, we got Kewell didn't we?

by **Scottbot** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:40 pm

Okocha would be a good fit for us - I would be absolutely delighted!

by **redandblue** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:52 pm

We are so far behind United and Arsenal because we have a clown of a manager who keeps bleating on about winning those three trophies a few years ago. A quick glance at the table shows that we are closer to Leeds United, in points terms, than we are to Arsenal.

Anfield needs a huge shake up at the end of the season. We need greater ambition from those who are running the club. Finishing in fourth position will be hailed as a great success by Houllier and his chum Parry. But what sort of success is that if we end up trailing this year's champions by say 30 points?

The gulf in class and performaces between us and the top three is massive.

by **Owzat** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 10:15 am

Scottbot wrote:Okocha would be a good fit for us - I would be absolutely delighted!

I understand he's 30 though, not that age would be a massive problem. I'd still prefer us to be signing slightly younger players so we can get a lot out of them

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