Why the injuries?

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Postby stmichael » Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:30 pm

I was having a discussion with a mate of mine yesterday who also happens to be a liverpool supporter and funnily enough we got to talking about our current injury crisis. he seems to be under the impression that the reason for our injury problems is to do with the weak european style of training and warm-ups we have. I dont know how different we are training and warming up now compared to last season? Anyone please???
   

Personally I think when you have a change of manager and coaching staff there is always the chance of injury. If you think about it logically then many of our players have been probably undergoing a similar training regime for the last four years, so their bodies will be used to that way of training, when a new manager comes in and the training regime changes I think all the players bodies will react differently and it could easily explain why some pick up injuries in training or in games.

One thing that I've always found bizarre is that when substituted, players then go and sit in the cold on the bench for the rest of the game, the sitting position must surely allow their calves and hamstrings to tighten. To me if a player is brought off the field early for a rest I think they should go straight down the tunnel to a hot bath or for a good massage to prevent the muscles tightening and thus reduce the risk of injury.

Just a thought like. ???
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Postby Leonmc0708 » Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:45 pm

I know for a fact that the training is stricter than under GH.
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Postby Homebooby » Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:59 pm

I am not so sure if you can put it down to that, several of the injuries were unavoidable for Benitez

Kewell has been carrying ever since he arrived and no manager has had the foresight or guts to take him out and allow him the operation and recovery that he required.

Cisse was unfortunate. I would find it hard to believe that training would have been a cause there...that was just a freak thing.

Nunez was unfortunate. you can hardly blame a rigid training schedule as he hadn't been at the club more than 48 hrs.

I think that this is more related to some misfortune on our part. Every season at least one team gets crippled by injuries and sadly due to a lack of depth, we've suffered a little today.

That said, I think we're well placed to hit that fourth place.
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Postby jim_morrison_supported_liverpool » Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:43 pm

a lot of the injuries have been freak, Cisse, Kewell (there before Benitez) Pongolle (twisted knee), Josemi (cracked head!!, Alonso (ankle breaker)

all the rest have been run of the mill type which every squad has.

i dont think its down to training schedule that Lampard caught Alonso the way he did, if you know what i mean. same goes for most of them.
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Postby stmichael » Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:48 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:I know for a fact that the training is stricter than under GH.

True leon.

I was just wondering if the new training regimes may or may not have anything to do with it. What we saw in our increased stamina and performance second half vs Fulham, Arsenal, Olympiakos etc etc may be having an adverse affect on the resistance to injury our squad has.

Ok, broken bones you can do little or nothing about, Alonso's, Cisse's and Gerrard's injuries have all come from direct collisions, but in pre season training a number of players remarked about how it was a lot tougher than under Houllier, but that it had given them the extra fitness needed to push on for 90 minutes, rather than sit back and lose leads, or have that "if we dont score first we havent got a chance" mentality.
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Postby Scottbot » Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:09 pm

stmichael wrote:I was just wondering if the new training regimes may or may not have anything to do with it. What we saw in our increased stamina and performance second half vs Fulham, Arsenal, Olympiakos etc etc may be having an adverse affect on the resistance to injury our squad has.

Its unlikely that the tougher training regime would have contributed to our current injury crisis. As long as the players get adaquate rest in between games that is.

Again - I would be surprised if Spanish techniques for warm-up are any different from our own. Incidentally - There is no proof that stretching during a warm-up has any impact on whether we get injured or not.

I think its mmore likely that we are simply the unluckiest buggers in the league this season  :(
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Postby stmichael » Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:25 pm

Scottbot wrote:I think its more likely that we are simply the unluckiest buggers in the league this season  :(

On top of those fractures to Cisse and Gerrard (to go with two early during 2003/04), there have been a series of muscle problems: hamstring trouble for Baros and Luis Garcia, causing both to miss a succession of games, and Harry Kewell has been in and out of the side all season with lingering calf and groin injuries. Josemi has missed games from a stomach-turning clash of heads, and now has another injury. Kirkland's back started causing him trouble again, not long after he'd looked to have made the goalkeeper's position his own (albeit far from convincingly).

Within a day of his arrival in England, Antonio Nunez fell awkwardly and damaged his knee, which delayed his debut by almost four months. Vladimir Smicer has missed the entire season so far, and will miss a fair bit more of it. Igor Biscan, in the best form of his Liverpool career, fell into the advertising hoardings at White Hart Lane and hasn't been the same since.

Nearly all of this season's injuries have befallen Liverpool's best players, or the 'lesser' players when they were in their best personal form. Benitez has had his hands tied in trying to pick a side, all season long.

Maybe you're right Scottbot :(
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Postby A.B. » Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:49 pm

We have the worst league in England, I hope for a much a better and healthier season next year.
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Postby chiggz_likes_owen » Fri Jan 28, 2005 5:05 am

I don't think so Mick, I think we're just unlucky.
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Postby Red_Si » Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:03 am

Basically, half the team have weak knees and groins.
Benitez has been up to something.
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Postby hawkmoon269 » Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:12 am

Scottbot wrote:
stmichael wrote:I was just wondering if the new training regimes may or may not have anything to do with it. What we saw in our increased stamina and performance second half vs Fulham, Arsenal, Olympiakos etc etc may be having an adverse affect on the resistance to injury our squad has.

Its unlikely that the tougher training regime would have contributed to our current injury crisis. As long as the players get adaquate rest in between games that is.

Again - I would be surprised if Spanish techniques for warm-up are any different from our own. Incidentally - There is no proof that stretching during a warm-up has any impact on whether we get injured or not.

I think its mmore likely that we are simply the unluckiest buggers in the league this season  :(

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Postby stmichael » Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:05 pm

it's that bad that even the official lfc site is injured now. :(
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Postby RED BEERGOGGLES » Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:20 pm

A gypo's curse perhaps ? has Rafa turned away any new age travellers and poured scorn on their cheap and nasty clothes pegs ?
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Postby RobG14 » Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:46 pm

There is no reason for the injuries besides bad luck. Cisse's, Gerrards and Nunez's injuries were all 'freak injuries'. Alonso got injured because of a sh ithouse challenge by lampard, like those tackles we used to see his cousin do. Pongolle's injury may have been another freak one, either that or he did not warm up properly before he came on.

To suggest that the injuries is a result of the training is rediculous!
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