Liverpool FC Forum

by **A.B.** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:45 pm

Look mate, we all support LFC here, we're all on the same side. But being a fan means you have to support the club through thick and thin. It's easy to blame the manager, anybody can do that but not everybody can support the club through hell.

I don't know what you expected this year but things don't happen over night. Ask Man Utd and Arsenal. It took them some time to get where they are now. If you want instant success then you might as well buy yourself a Chelsea kit and support them.

Its easy to support a team through a good spell of results, but when you run into obstacles then thats the time you have to support the club the manager and the players the most.

This week our players have been on a different planet, no will,no confidence. You could be Ronaldinho but without self-confidence and will you're a waste of space.

by **lakes10** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:56 pm

A.B. wrote:Look mate, we all support LFC here, we're all on the same side. But being a fan means you have to support the club through thick and thin. It's easy to blame the manager, anybody can do that but not everybody can support the club through hell.

I don't know what you expected this year but things don't happen over night. Ask Man Utd and Arsenal. It took them some time to get where they are now. If you want instant success then you might as well buy yourself a Chelsea kit and support them.

Its easy to support a team through a good spell of results, but when you run into obstacles then thats the time you have to support the club the manager and the players the most.

This week our players have been on a different planet, no will,no confidence. You could be Ronaldinho but without self-confidence and will you're a waste of space.

i know what you are saying is right. i dont like the way the club is going right now just as i did not like all the poor players that gh gave to the club , i think if we have learned anything from GH is that not to let the new manager to bring a load of players from his own country over with him, saying that GH players where not even proper french where they .

it just seems that rafa has not looked into the history of the club before he speeks sometrimes and things like that wind me up . the fa cup means a lot to me due to the fact that i lost a dear friend at hillsborough and since then i feel that when we play the fa cup games we do so in the memory for those 96 loved ones we lost there.

it has been a hard week to take as a liverpool fan and it taking its toll on me and yes sometimes i do say some things that i dont mean i i am not happy with rafa and as you know i felt like that even before he come here.

by **A.B.** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:00 pm

Football has changed and we have to change as well. I believe you're stuck in the past. FA cup is sadly meaningless. Man Utd won it last year but finished third and 20 some points behind Arsenal. To say that Benitez doesn't care about our history is insane.

Wenger brought players from France but unlike Houllier he was able to get something out of them. With time Rafa will do the same.

Might I remind you that Pires,Henry,etc.. were all poor in their first year in the Premiership. Look at them now.

by **lakes10** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:08 pm

true but i think we send Mauricio Pellegrino back the better and i dont think Antonio Nunez can cut it , i have a bit of hope for Luis Garcia but only a bit , he has speed and i like that but his passing is poor and hee needs to look before he shoots and see if any other liverpool players are in a better spot than him.
is mellor injured as he would havew done well today

by **A.B.** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:17 pm

Morientes and Baros couldn't score, what makes you think Mellor could? Our midfield was totaly shut out and when that happens then it's a hell of a lot harder to score up front.

by **lakes10** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:23 pm

i think Mellor is a player that just makes things happen if he means it or not neil ruddock and peter beardsley where both like that , you could be 2 - o down and stick them on with 5 mins left and come out winning.
i think mellor has a bit of luck with him and god knows we need that right now.

by **lakes10** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:26 pm

i remember when robbie fowler first come on the scene i was going around telling all my mates at wotk that this is our year but it was not to be but at lest we stuffed the gooners that year.

by **welsh wizzard** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 12:26 am

banana man who the ****** are you calling a kid,i'm a season ticket holder at the club has been for the last 13 years,so don't start insulting me and say i haven't got a clue do your home work look at the big picture i have followed the reds for the last 22 years been to alot of their games and remember the glory days i was there since i turned 17 i got my own season ticket having been taken to the games with my dad and uncle before that i have seen the brilliant times and over the last few years have seen the frustrating times like we are seeing now but i still go and will keep going because this is the team i love.so don't say to me i haven't got a clue,i believe the only way we will get back to our glory days is letting rafa build his own team with or without gerrard with money coming in from new resources gerrard fee of around 40m he will get the players that will make the team thats where big named proven players fees will come from at the moment he is working with his hands tied,the likes of solari,wright phillips,rosicky,aimer,baraja,king,will be afforded when a new owner comes in and pumps in 50m plus around 40m of gerrard fee that is what i'm saying we have to start from scratch and rebuild it will take a few seasons but it will work the same as wenger has done at arsenal.so go and take your head for a ****** you tit.

by **coolsobs** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:23 pm

yeah like valencia woudl sell their best player baraja to us for 8 million and SWP would cost 25 million and i doubt totenham would sell their captain to us 15 mil at least.Anyway we dont have that kinda money.

by **welsh wizzard** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:52 am

coolsobs your obviously stupid as well read what i said money coming in from gerrard near the 40m mark and investment coming in around 40m mark 80 m total to rebuild the team.so work it out i think you will find king,wrightphillips,baraja,solari etc can be afforded.
team
carson
finnin carra king rise
wright/phillips alonso baraja solari
morientes baros/cisse
what a more complete team

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:36 pm

What a passionate lot we are. You can see the frustration in the posts. V funny!!!

We all agree we need to give Raffa two things.

1. TIME and 2. MONEY.

I have said this more than once.. Raffa has improved the way we play, but it hasn't all quite clicked yet. I don't think there is a team in the Premiership that could have coped with the injuries we have had to key players. Even Chelsea would have suffered and there squad is massively better than ours.

But back onto the original subject about passion. I disagree totally. I think in some games some of the players have disappeared, especially the Man U game, but I don't think it was a lack of passion that caused it. More to do with the problem of confidence. And who can blame them, the team get ripped apart by the media whenever the results don't go the right way.

THIS IS WHERE WE COME IN... THE SUPPORTERS.

When the vultures are circling and waiting for us to fail we are supposed to be the guardians of OUR football club. Lets lay off the boys and give them some support. This season is all about the rebuilding of our team, It will probably take more than 1 season to do it, so if we have a blip we should understand and make sure OUR TEAM know we support them and help them in the next game to regain their confidence.

All sportsman need their confidence and if they feel they have no support from the crowd when they play because of a mistake made in a previous game (or in Dudeks case game(S)) then I think they will make changes in the way they would play and make more mistakes. (I don't know if that made sense but I know what I mean).

I have supported this great club of ours since the early 70's when my Dad used to take me to the games and have therefore been spoilt. I watched the great teams attack teams down the wings and cross into a box where the 2 front players would score goals for fun.

My complaint against Gerrard Houllier was that we never attacked teams, we had no width, we couldn't pass more than 4 times without losing the ball. The simple part of the game was lost. With the team that Raffa has already assembled that has changed. We have players who can hold up the ball, pass and move (The anfield groove?? oops sorry) but we are going through a hard time right now, The Anfield crowd is part of the winning team. Before we slag off our team mates, we need to ask ourselves, "Have we been playing our part any better"??

For me Raffa is the man for the job. I would like him to bring on more British players, but for that we need more money. SWP would be on my want list but right now we simply can't afford him. The same for Ledley King. Scott Parker and Joe Cole could also be sucessful signings.

Lets hope the board makes the right decision to get the right backers in to provide Mr Benitez with the funds to but in the right calibre of player, otherwise we cannot really blame him to much if some of his signing don't work out, as he didn't have the budget to get the players he really wants.

YNWA.

by **Paul C** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:41 pm

What we need is a team of winners, people that are use to success and thats what Rafa is trying to get

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:18 pm

I agree.. a winning mentality from both players and supporters

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