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by **banana** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:09 am

Wow. Take a pause and breathe. Yes it was a good win. But we should not try to kid ourselves, thinking that this was a perfect game. There are ALWAYS one or two things we can improve. Mellor did well today. He is not fit to play a full game, but it looks like he can do a good job for 10 or 15 min as a substitute when the opposition is not 100% fresh anymore. Nice goal and some good runs today from him. I still think he is one or two years away from being a top striker. He needs to work on his fitness, pure and simple. Sinama did really well in the second half. The two goals away to spurs seems to have worked wonders for his self confidence. Today he was not afraid of holding the ball and taking on defenders. One goal, one assist + some trickery. Good game. Kirkland has a bit to go before he can be counted as a top class goalie. Let's only hope he can learn from his mistakes. I do not know how easy it is to improve a goalkeepers footwork and reflexes, but those areas needs improvement and he needs to improve FAST. Hyypia did not have a good game. He lost the ball too many times, and he was also outpaced a couple of times. Thank god for Carragher saving his @ss with some crucial interventions. If we are to challenge for major throphies we cannot afford to leak in our defence. My position is clear. Hyypia MUST be replaced. One of the worst performers so far this season, Kewell, did reasonably well today. He worked a bit harder. Maybe his fitness is coming back again. I hope so, we need him at 100%. Nunez will get better as his fitness builds, and Baros is also coming back. I think we will see a better team in two weeks if Kewell, Baros and Nunez can stay injury free and get more fit. Gerrard scored a good goal and was a true leader out there today. That goal alone was worth 10 million punds and it was an emotional moment for all reds around the world.

I do not see why people come on here AFTER THE FACT and slate people sharing their views at half time. Lets be honest. At half time we were dead and buried. We did not create a lot of chances, played with three half fit players, and looked shaky in defence. If you had made a bet of 10 pounds at the bookmaker you would have walked with 250 pounds after 90 minutes. How many of you did that? Liverpool scoring three goals in 45 minutes against a well organized team?

by **LFC #1** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:09 am

was on tele over here and well at HT, i was pretty depsondent but hadn't given up hope, whwn Pongolle's goal went in i knew we could do it as we had plenty of time.

was starting to get a bit desperate until Mellor scored, then i thoguh 10 mins to go we will do it here, and then Gerrard - pure ecstasy - one of the most memorable moments as a supporter for me.

we will reall be in good shape if we can beat the bluenoses on Saturday.

by **LFC #1** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:12 am

banana wrote:I do not see why people come on here AFTER THE FACT and slate people sharing their views at half time. Lets be honest. At half time we were dead and buried.

some good points there banana, but the fact is your pessimistic attitude at HT was very agitating as you are supposed to be a supporter and believe in the lads, sure you can criticize but be constructive about it and don't just give up, which you clearly had done.

by **laza** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:19 am

And lets be fair here Banana, win lose or draw you always seem to find the negatives to harp on about which is going to rub people up wrong way.
If thats your way so be it, but to start carrying on before the game is even finished , sorry you deserve all the slating you get for that im afraid

by **Santa** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:19 am

banana wrote:I do not see why people come on here AFTER THE FACT and slate people sharing their views at half time.

Sharing? You were blasting our players during the game when we need to back them 110%. You can see we were dominating the game yet you always find faults in the team and blast it over at this forum. We don't need your knee jerk criticism here and you can take your view back to your cave. :angry:

As far as I am concerned...I am sorry but you have lost any ounce of credibility here.

by **laza** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:22 am

Watching the full match replay at moment, 80 minute comnig up woohoo

bloody hell watching game, more bad tackles then a dodgy fish shop in this one

by **JBG** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:27 am

Most Liverpool fans acknowledge that the club and team have problems banana, and from one game to the next, most people talk about the team's faults.

However, a golden rule of supporting a team is that once the game gets going, you get behind the team and leave the criticism for another day.

Of course we weren't perfect tonight, we were sloppy at times and lacked genuine class in certain areas, but the team has endeared itself to supporters through its honest endeavour and spirit.

Of course you are welcome to rain on everyone's parade and point out the cold realities, but that's not called supporting Liverpool, thats called supporting Man UTD or Chelsea.

The vast majority of fans know we aren't going to win the league any time soon and a lot of work and painful decisions need to be made, but tonight is a night for support and celebration, not nit picking and scathing criticism.

by **banana** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:29 am

Santa wrote:
banana wrote:I do not see why people come on here AFTER THE FACT and slate people sharing their views at half time.

Sharing? You were blasting our players during the game when we need to back them 110%. You can see we were dominating the game yet you always find faults in the team and blast it over at this forum. We don't need your knee jerk criticism here and you can take your view back to your cave.

As far as I am concerned...I am sorry but you have lost any ounce of credibility here.

I believe learning from ones mistakes is the only way to improve. That is why I always try to analyse the mistakes we are making, and suggesting ways to improve. It is much easier to drink a pint and sing, than there is to offer constructive criticism. We are far behind Arsenal and Chelsea in the league and we were 3 minutes away from an early exit in europe. There is room for improvement. I know it, you know it and most importantly RAFA knows it. That is not to say we are ******. It is important to be fair and balanced when you judge players and team effort. I try to be that. Some people can't handle it.

by **LFC #1** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:37 am

banana wrote:Hyypia is finished and Kirkland has never been anything. We're out of CL we lose out on 10 million pounds. Which means we can't afford a new striker.

sorry banana, that is not "constructive" criticism at all, that is just plain slagging players and giving up on the team, you said that we were out of the CL - sorry mate but we are not.

-where did you analyse maistakes or offer ways to improve?

by **L-type** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:55 am

Can't a guy just express some grief? dam.mit guys you are all blowing this all way out of proportion, What he said wasn't true and was a very scathing attack on Liverpool but keep in mind many of you came to voice your opinion after the fact and were fairly disappointed with the scoreline at the moment.

by **A.B.** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:06 am

banana wrote:Wow. Take a pause and breathe. Yes it was a good win. But we should not try to kid ourselves, thinking that this was a perfect game. There are ALWAYS one or two things we can improve. Mellor did well today. He is not fit to play a full game, but it looks like he can do a good job for 10 or 15 min as a substitute when the opposition is not 100% fresh anymore. Nice goal and some good runs today from him. I still think he is one or two years away from being a top striker. He needs to work on his fitness, pure and simple. Sinama did really well in the second half. The two goals away to spurs seems to have worked wonders for his self confidence. Today he was not afraid of holding the ball and taking on defenders. One goal, one assist + some trickery. Good game. Kirkland has a bit to go before he can be counted as a top class goalie. Let's only hope he can learn from his mistakes. I do not know how easy it is to improve a goalkeepers footwork and reflexes, but those areas needs improvement and he needs to improve FAST. Hyypia did not have a good game. He lost the ball too many times, and he was also outpaced a couple of times. Thank god for Carragher saving his @ss with some crucial interventions. If we are to challenge for major throphies we cannot afford to leak in our defence. My position is clear. Hyypia MUST be replaced. One of the worst performers so far this season, Kewell, did reasonably well today. He worked a bit harder. Maybe his fitness is coming back again. I hope so, we need him at 100%. Nunez will get better as his fitness builds, and Baros is also coming back. I think we will see a better team in two weeks if Kewell, Baros and Nunez can stay injury free and get more fit. Gerrard scored a good goal and was a true leader out there today. That goal alone was worth 10 million punds and it was an emotional moment for all reds around the world.

I do not see why people come on here AFTER THE FACT and slate people sharing their views at half time. Lets be honest. At half time we were dead and buried. We did not create a lot of chances, played with three half fit players, and looked shaky in defence. If you had made a bet of 10 pounds at the bookmaker you would have walked with 250 pounds after 90 minutes. How many of you did that? Liverpool scoring three goals in 45 minutes against a well organized team?

There is no perfection in this world. As humans we are not perfect and therefore no one can be perfect in anything one does. Football is a team game, you play with intelligence,integrity and most importantly, heart. There is no perfection in this game, however when all 11 players give it their all to get the job done at the end of the day the end result is all that matters.

Because no one is perfect there will always be flaws. But what do you do when you have a flaw? You counter that flaw with your strengths and do you best to make you flaw one of you strengths.

A game lasts 90 minutes and nobody expects anybody to be perfect in those 90 minutes. But the side that comes on top at the end are called "winners".

We played good football as far as I know in the first 15 or so minutes but Olympiakos are no chumps. They were going to attack as they weren't going to hand us the victory. We played much better in the second-half as we created chances. The more chances you create the more likely you will score. In order to win you have to score.

I don't expect us to be perfect but I expect us to play with effort. Way back when we used to use only 12 or so players available, the 11 fought until the man in the black shirt blew the whistle. We are starting to do what we once did which is fight till the end. It's never over until the whistle is blown.

The lads did their part, they gave it their all, they put their heart and soul into the game and they deserved the victory.

Your job as a fan is to support the lads no matter what the situation is. We play poorely, cheer them on. We play well, cheer them on.

You are simply too pessamistic to see the good out of this game. You complained when we didn't win and you complain when we do win. Either support Liverpool Football Club or don't.

by **simic_ie** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:56 am

I'm still floating about somewhere here on cloud nine to be honest with you, certainly it was by no means perfect but what Rafa has done with half a team is unbelievable woth money to strenghten in January, watch us go!!!!

by **greenred** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:13 am

banana wrote:
Santa wrote:
banana wrote:I do not see why people come on here AFTER THE FACT and slate people sharing their views at half time.

Sharing? You were blasting our players during the game when we need to back them 110%. You can see we were dominating the game yet you always find faults in the team and blast it over at this forum. We don't need your knee jerk criticism here and you can take your view back to your cave.

As far as I am concerned...I am sorry but you have lost any ounce of credibility here.

I believe learning from ones mistakes is the only way to improve. That is why I always try to analyse the mistakes we are making, and suggesting ways to improve. It is much easier to drink a pint and sing, than there is to offer constructive criticism. We are far behind Arsenal and Chelsea in the league and we were 3 minutes away from an early exit in europe. There is room for improvement. I know it, you know it and most importantly RAFA knows it. That is not to say we are ******. It is important to be fair and balanced when you judge players and team effort. I try to be that. Some people can't handle it.

hiya,cheeseman.It is you isnt it?

by **greenred** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:16 am

Sorry,but this Banana lad sounds just like an infamous former member of this site.

by **bigmick** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 9:06 am

In fairness to Banana, any view is a view as long as its not racist etc I can read it and agree or not. I didn't agree with his first half analysis in terms of the way we were playing, but I must confess i didn't really expect us to score three in the second half either. It's a forum and he's entitled to post up whatever he wants really. People saying "you should be supporting the lads, get behind them etc" are off beam in my view. He's sitting in his bedroom in his boxers with a can of beer in his hand typing on his computer. It makes no difference whether he thinks negative thoughts or slags the team on the net, it's not like he's in the ground or anything.
In the interests of balance, I spent a large part of last week decrying the abilities of Mellor. Well credit where credits due that was a top strikers goal he scored yesterday. It was better than the goal against Arsenal though not as spectacular in the sense that it was a proper poachers goal, no fluke just a good goal. When the keeper saves Nunez's header he was a big second favourite as the ball dropped but his anticipation and awareness enabled him to get in front of the defender. Good goal. Still don't think he's good enough for us but I didn't think he was capable of scoring goals like that either so there you go.

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